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Topic: The Marked

Hi there, finally The 4400 got interesting again. This new plot idea of ten marked persons from the future who will be the real bad guys is a welcome addition.

And I also like the twist in Baldwins mark and the mention in the book, where he is the last person who takes the p-shot.

What do you think will he join the good or the bad side? wink

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i think its so freaking dumb!! this show was an ok show at some point...1st season was great... i hate the whole jesus/g0d thing and the nazi/hitler thing that they are trying to integrate into the show...please...its pretty pathetic.

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Actually, I think this season is the best so far of the series. Most seasons of The 4400 hundred, start out good in the first episode, end really good in the last couple of episodes, and is damned boring for just about every episode in between.  We are half way through the 4th season, and there has not only been no boring episodes to date, but some of the best the series as a whole, has had to offer.

And yes the idea surrounding the marked is very cool. We've known all along there were people from the future who did not agree with The 4400 program, and that eventually they would move to undo the 4400. Isabel Sanford was obviously their first attempt, but just because that one failed, does not mean they will simply lie down and give up; or even attempted a failed strategy again - just bigger and more powerful this time around. A more sublime strategy is perfect, and knowing that the new chief at NTAC is in on it, only sweetens the deal. Besides, in how many other TV shows do you actually get to point the finger at the Bill Gates-alike character and know he's in league with evil forces.

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oh please! ok, there are some decent parts to it and I cant say the whole season has been terrible, but they are damn ruining it with the whole jesus/god hitlet/nazi crap they are trying to integrate into it.

Also, with the whole jesus thing, they are making it more like a religious show. pffft, hardly decent script writing.

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Well it always comes down to a religious story. Actually I prefer that much more than just another terrorist storyline - which was the main plot idea of the last seasons neutral

I'm looking forward to the new twists, although I have to confess that I don't like the picture of Collier being a new Jesus wink

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IMO Collier is one of the most interesting characters on TV. The most interesting characters are the ones that you can't peg down, that aren't unmitigatedly good or evil. The way they've written Collier is brilliant, in that he obviously isn't entirely unselfish in his motives and his ego plays a huge part in his messiah-dom, but he's also not what you could call villainous.

It's not just a goodguy that's flawed, or a villain with a heart... but a truly ambivalent character, the sort of character that (though being a bit simpler than) - draws one's minds to the Paul Muad'Dib character of Frank Herbert's "Dune" novels.

(That being said, I'll be mightily pissed if he's just co-opted by some two-bit bodysnatcher villain personality from the future.  Edit: Phew!... I think...)

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Well Changer, you'll be happy to know that the Collier character isn't going to be ruined by turning him into one of the Marked. Thank goodness too, as I agree with your assessment of the character and really do feel he is one of the best realized fictional characters on TV today.

Nightcrow, sorry you can't stand the religious angle the show is taking, but it's not bad writing like you say. It's actually brilliant and I am impressed that anyone writing for American TV would be so frank about religion's real purpose in the human space; that being the purpose of creating a self replicating meme designed to spread an idea that at some point, very few or no one will question, but just except as the truth. This is not the first time such and event has transpired in human history and would not be the last. For example, historically, the spread of Islam, Christianity and Judaism has nothing to do with getting people to a perfect afterlife and more to do with one culture waging a war of ideologies over another - or every other as is the inherent mandate of every major Western religion.

The 4400 has made it clear on more than one occasion, that Jordan Collier himself does not believe in all the religiousy pyscho-babble that he is spewing, but like powerful people before him, he understands the nature of the human mind and understands that when you engage people on a level of faith, any real critical thought pretty much goes out the window and you can spread a meme  (in this case, that Promicin is God's gift of redemption to an errant humanity), extremely quickly, efficiently and virulently. The same holds true for patriotic/nationalistic (Nazi-ism) thinking, which is just another form of religious thinking. Just like religious thought, it is primarily engaged to remove any critical thoughts from the minds of the believers that go against the agenda of the meme it is attempting to spread. This is why in 2003, it was so easy to just simply wave a flag or evoke the name of God, and suddenly you have half the American populace supporting a preemptive war on another country, despite the fact that all the evidence pointed in the opposite direction. It was not something that was too hard to do, and is a dirty trick that men of power have been using over the masses, dating back before the beginning of recorded history.

So to not include this sort of "meme-ing" technique in the script of a show that is essentially a telling of how "one man started a movement that changed the world and all of humanity for the better", not including this angle is actually the dumb option. To anyone who bothers to study history or even the human psyche, it is very realistic and appropriate, and if Jordan Collier was ever going to have any degree of success at spreading a pro-Promicin ideology in the context of the show (for better or worse), something of this nature was going to have to be evoked at some point or another; there simply was no logical way around it. Especially not when Collier was beset on all sides by a society and a government who was dead set in opposition (see season three) to allowing anyone else outside of themselves any measure of real power.

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Hence my comparison of Collier, and the 4400 to "Dune"... i.e. in regard to the process of religion, the ambivalent messiah figure... and the connections between power and religion. smile

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@unfettered one: amen to that smile
Overall the forth season turned out to be really good and promising. There are just some loose ends which could easily be forgotten if The 4400 doesn't get a fifth season.
I especially liked the ending song which was the same as in Fight Club, while the world was changing.

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