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Topic: 1x10 - Hauted (and of course there are spoilers)

I like the idea of having a backup of yourself around in case you die. It's similar to what we've here for the Caprica pilot. It seems to common sense arount the sci fi screen writers, that the whole personality can be stored on one hard drive or USB stick for Capricas sake wink

Dollhouse just popped the question - what if we could live forever - without giving a real answer. I really like the idea but don't think it's possible, even if you could store a whole personality on one medium. Just imagine you just created a backup. Then you imprint it or create a cylon whtsoever. If these copies are alive all at the same time - who is the real one. I wondered this way back when I first saw "The Fly" (damn - has it really been 23 years?!?!? yikes ) What if the teleport didn't just destroy the original but kept it, just like a perfect scanner. Then you would've had two persons with the same personality. OK in that case the copy would also be a fly. Is that possible? Or rephrased - if you revive a backup - even if it's a perfect one - is this still the same person?
I guess that's a nice subject for Paisley1 and Robcore big_smile



And I liked the setting where the whole family was sitting by the fireplace questioning who could be the murderer. I just waited for the lights to go out and hearing a scream... big_smile

Too bad the frame story line of Dollhouse didn't advance very further, but I'm ok with that if it get's renewed.

Fingers crossed everyone. smile

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Re: 1x10 - Hauted (and of course there are spoilers)

BlackBox wrote:

Or rephrased - if you revive a backup - even if it's a perfect one - is this still the same person?

The instant you create a perfect flawless replica of another it becomes its own person, it can never be the 'same' person. it may act and look like the original but it is not the same. It may have the same memories and peronality traits, but as soon as it starts experiencing it diverges from the original.

As far as the Dollhouse is concerned - it would be impossible for you to live forever through that process, as we have already seen the 'personality glitches' that happen are based on some form of flaw in the system or the dolls brain compensating and reestablishing itself in some way. Correct me if i am wrong, i haven't been paying close attention over the past few weeks - i am more sitting mindlessly staring at the screen when it is on.

But lets say it is possible, the question them becomes would you want to kill someone specifically so you could live longer? And just before you answer with an emphatic yes, what is stopping someone else from erasing you and slamming themselves into your newfound body.

Also take a look at an old persons care facility - most of those people are bored out of their heads and depressed - and they haven't quite managed a single lifetime. It is not your body - as far as i can see - that gives out first, it is the mind, and since that is what is being transplanted - what good would a brand new body do?

And yes i know, not all old people are depressed and pathetic, just most of them - with exception to the senile, they seem to be in a fascinating world all of their own making.

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messianic_rogue wrote:

It is not your body - as far as i can see - that gives out first, it is the mind, and since that is what is being transplanted - what good would a brand new body do?

You could just make a copy of your mind when you're 40 or maybe 50 years old. Thus you already have lot's of life experience and you're not too old to be depressed and pathetic as you say wink

On the other hand, if it's possible to store ones state of mind, doesn't that imply you can also manipulate it? If so, you could erase parts you don't want or implant new "features" or memories as it is done in Dollhouse wink

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I thought of that as well, the problem with erasing and 'improving' parts of your personality and memories is then you have the question of is it really you. There are a lot of experiences most of have had that we would prefer to remove - but how to you decide which ones are important to your personality and which are not.

Just a quick example - say when you were 9 years old you dropped a jar of Vegemite (or insert any item you care to)- which was bought with your parents last budgeted dollars. You were scalded by your parents and had to go one week without having that item as food. You from this point had more of an understanding of allocation of resources etc.

Life is made up of thousands of seemingly inconsequential events like this - which ones make you the person you are and which ones can be deleted to no effect? I damn well know i wouldn't want to be the one to hit the delete key on anything important.

As far as adding features, wouldn't that take you even further away from what makes you you? Where or who do the new features come from? It seems a quick step to throw in a touch of confidence - but how much is too much - all of a sudden you could be a total asshole, but still perceive yourself to be the nice person you used to be (not that i am personally ever going to be considered the nicest person in the world - not even the top 10 million).

My comments about age were more to the point that you become jaded. Not that you become defective with age. Saving a person at 50 that goes on to live another 30 years, would miss a lot, just the fact that you would be 30 years out of touch - if you only implant after your first physical body has terminated.


It is going on 1:30 AM and i am way too tired to even think clearly right now, so excuse me if this is a mindless mess of stupidity.

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Re: 1x10 - Hauted (and of course there are spoilers)

I thought of it more like a virtual machine (sad I know, but I'm currently using one tongue).

She created a snapshot (of that exact instant of herself in the chair) and from that moment on the snapshot was untouched and would remain so (so long as it is never accessed). When she died (BSOD if you will), they reverted her back to the snapshot

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I'm in no way going near the question of the size of the medium with which to store the human concessness on! Nor the fact that the hardware won't mathc the software, so to speak. You can't just shove a hard drive (which is booted from) into another computer and except it to boot back up...

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messianic_rogue wrote:

Also take a look at an old persons care facility - most of those people are bored out of their heads and depressed - and they haven't quite managed a single lifetime. It is not your body - as far as i can see - that gives out first, it is the mind, and since that is what is being transplanted - what good would a brand new body do?

But most would agree that the "giving out of the mind" is due to the aging of the biological brain. The slowing of impulses across synapses less efficient production of neurotransmitters etc, thus a new healthy young brain would allow the faster processing and fix this issue.