351 (edited by ccn 2026-07-30 08:01:11)

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Elephant in the room (among many)....

Spoiler

There is no way in the star trek universe that Starfleet / Pike would allow Xenocide of an entire planet using their own missile. Then barely talk about it / laugh it off afterwards. The martians escaped (DNA found across the galaxy), No such luck for the alien creatures. They had developed space flight so intelligent.

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What the fuck was Episode 2? Ghosts now? No explanations? Is this Sci-Fi or Horror?

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s04e02 - Star Trek cross Event Horizon
F. me !

But they did it well.  In many ways it was a throw back to the TOS episode where something drove everyone on the starbase mad, some froze to death etc.

Is this Sci-Fi or Horror?

I've said it before, I'll say it again - Strange New worlds is an antholgy show.  Might as well be "Black Mirror" just with the same characters in each episode but no story arc, no connection, there's no *season* to it: Just the next 8 episodes.

  1. Adventure

  2. Horror

  3. Sci-Fi

  4. Romance

  5. Puppet

  6. Fantasy

  7. Holodeck

  8. Season ending cliff hanger

354 (edited by piraterepublic 2026-07-30 19:28:47)

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old school scifi with few limits..
i love it..
but it is really screwing with star trek cannon.
( which must be freaking the zealots out)
so now

Spoiler

DR who is cannon in star trek.
ghosts are cannon and can possibly be detected by negative ions
mars was once a class 3 planet with tech high enough to pass through walls but left no evidence behind
there was a 3rd inhabited planet in the sol system that was destroyed
the enterprise allowed the genocide of the 3rd inhabited planet in the sol system (bugs)
the enterprise caused the genocide of earths dinosaurs and 90% of life as a side effect of war
i am sure i missed others

since i am not hard core trekie... i am fine with it
its no worse then what disney did for force gods and other crap to star wars


good to see some story morals and good old character self harm mentally and physically in the show for a little reality

Spoiler

i was really hoping for a mary celeste type of story, with no explanation , just a ship put back into service with a new name and a lot of questions

there is nothing i hate more then sensible people believing delusions for almost any reason, and never questioning the most unbelievable things in physiological thrillers.

pirates were the first democratic organizations in the new world
and the first organizations where women could lead men

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ccn wrote:

Elephant in the room (among many)....

Spoiler

There is no way in the star trek universe that Starfleet / Pike would allow Xenocide of an entire planet using their own missile. Then barely talk about it / laugh it off afterwards. The martians escaped (DNA found across the galaxy), No such luck for the alien creatures. They had developed space flight so intelligent.

Well, in that case it was necessary because, as Pike correctly guessed, it's what had already happened; they couldn't risk changing the course of events, especially on that scale, that far into the past.


larexap589 wrote:

What the fuck was Episode 2? Ghosts now? No explanations? Is this Sci-Fi or Horror?

While it's customary for Star Trek to explain things in the end, that's not always the case. Sometimes the answer just isn't that easy to find, and I think it's respectable that they left it at that.

Spoiler

And no, not ghosts. Just hallucinations caused by an unidentified anomaly. How the doctor lady factors into it and whether she's even real or just a lingering hallucination or whatever is not clear to us, but that doesn't mean there isn't an answer.


SgtSaint wrote:

s04e02 - Star Trek cross Event Horizon
F. me !

But they did it well.  In many ways it was a throw back to the TOS episode where something drove everyone on the starbase mad, some froze to death etc.

Oh that's what it was! Yes, that's it. They handled it well. If the entire season is just them borrowing movies that already exist, but keep it at this quality, then I am perfectly happy with it.


SgtSaint wrote:

I've said it before, I'll say it again - Strange New worlds is an antholgy show.  Might as well be "Black Mirror" just with the same characters in each episode but no story arc, no connection, there's no *season* to it: Just the next 8 episodes.

  1. Adventure

  2. Horror

  3. Sci-Fi

  4. Romance

  5. Puppet

  6. Fantasy

  7. Holodeck

  8. Season ending cliff hanger

Yes. Star Trek is best with a problem of the week.


piraterepublic wrote:

old school scifi with few limits..
i love it..
but it is really screwing with star trek cannon.
( which must be freaking the zealots out)
so now

Spoiler

DR who is cannon in star trek.
ghosts are cannon and can possibly be detected by negative ions
mars was once a class 3 planet with tech high enough to pass through walls but left no evidence behind
there was a 3rd inhabited planet in the sol system that was destroyed
the enterprise allowed the genocide of the 3rd inhabited planet in the sol system (bugs)
the enterprise caused the genocide of earths dinosaurs and 90% of life as a side effect of war
i am sure i missed others

since i am not hard core trekie... i am fine with it
its no worse then what disney did for force gods and other crap to star wars


good to see some story morals and good old character self harm mentally and physically in the show for a little reality

Spoiler

i was really hoping for a mary celeste type of story, with no explanation , just a ship put back into service with a new name and a lot of questions

there is nothing i hate more then sensible people believing delusions for almost any reason, and never questioning the most unbelievable things in physiological thrillers.

Can you stop misspelling canon? sad

The point of the whole "delusion" thing is that it is usually not just adiovisual hallucinations. That's just the parts we, the viewer, see. It's typically an effect that is directly acting on the part of the brain that should be noticing the inconsistencies. It's like a dream, or like taking a hallucinogenic substance. Can't reason yourself out of that, at least not without training (which is what Spock used here) or luck.

They barely messed with the canon either. The DW thing was just implied, and may as well have been an actual joke by the character (who is old enough to have seen that show originally air). There's still plenty of civilization buried under the Sahara here on Earth, from only thousands rather than millions of years ago, and Mars has plenty of dust storms.


Oh also, I retract my comment about the Voth last week. Apparently those belong a few million years later.

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some_one wrote:

[
Can you stop misspelling canon? sad
.


NO.
english is just mispronounced/misspelled some other language.
the majority of english speakers cannot agree on much of it.

eg:Color is the spelling used in American English, while colour is the spelling used in British English and other Commonwealth countries.

and much of is not pronounced the same even when spelled the same. even in the same country.

I before E except after C unless its not.  SILENT letters WTF were they thinking??????

i encourage the decline and fall of the english language. as someone who is becoming dyslexic i applaud the end of this mess.

and yes anyone with half a brain on any hallucinogenic substance KNOWS there are no pink elephants.
even in the worst chemical or virus caused delusion or hallucination you should know something is impossible.
( which is why you are still legally responsible for drunk driving and murder while on drugs)
a psychosis from an actual defect in the brain is a different story, and not something anyone can "meditate" themselves out of.
( which is not legally responsible because of mental defect or insanity)

( not to be confused with the letter of the law vs the spirit of the law)

pirates were the first democratic organizations in the new world
and the first organizations where women could lead men

357 (edited by SgtSaint 2026-07-30 23:54:46)

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piraterepublic wrote:

there is nothing i hate more then sensible people believing delusions for almost any reason, and never questioning the most unbelievable things in physiological thrillers.

Thank you!  The best and brightest of Star Fleet and Kirk is

Spoiler

Ripping out all the wiring of the console because he saw his baby in the coms panel??

But to be fair, once you are mentally compromised you don't know you're compromised.  Like when scuba divers get a bad air tank mix: there's like 20 seconds where you know you're not thinking right... then because you can't think rationally you are incapable of rationally thinking you're no longer rational.

Heck I'm a rational person most of the time - and even without being compromised I've been in some knock-down drag-out arguments, yelling and screaming like the most insane person you've seen on the street.  Based on nothing more than anger and my own body chemistry working against me. I can rationally say after the fact that I should have been better - but yet *in the moment* something as simple as my own hormones can ride roughshod over my rational brain.  And I bet more than a few of us have been there.  Amplify that by external forces playing with your brain.

I mostly saw it all not as ghosts but the area of space.  Some kind of electro-magnetic field or radiation that affected the neural pathways of the brain.  And the longer you're subjected to it, the worse it becomes.  Tow the Griffin out of that space and the ship is no longer a problem because it never was the ship that was the problem.  In addition to section 12 taking the ship, there should have been warning buoys placed making that area a quarantine zone.

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piraterepublic wrote:

NO.

Um. Okay then. Just asking, because those are two normally unrelated words and constantly having to remember what you mean makes your posts marginally more difficult, and in turn annoying, to read. But I guess that is no concern of yours.


piraterepublic wrote:

and yes anyone with half a brain on any hallucinogenic substance KNOWS there are no pink elephants.
even in the worst chemical or virus caused delusion or hallucination you should know something is impossible.
( which is why you are still legally responsible for drunk driving and murder while on drugs)
a psychosis from an actual defect in the brain is a different story, and not something anyone can "meditate" themselves out of.
( which is not legally responsible because of mental defect or insanity)

( not to be confused with the letter of the law vs the spirit of the law)

Yes. Half a brain. That is the point: you quite literally do not have even half of a functional brain which you could use to know that, in such a state. That's why I brought up dreaming. Are you an always-lucid dreamer? You'd be in quite the minority if so. Most people simply accept what the dream is showing them and only question it after they wake up.

And no, people are not fully responsible for their actions in an intoxicated state if they did not knowingly or willingly bring that state about. If someone spikes your food with a mix of hallucinogenic and paranoia-inducing drugs, you are not fully liable for whatever happens after. Only for some of it. Because that is a form of induced psychosis, which, you already brought it up, is different. The effect they were suffering from in the episode would have been similar.

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some_one wrote:

Because that is a form of induced psychosis, which, you already brought it up, is different. The effect they were suffering from in the episode would have been similar.


everyone in the show KNEW they were seeing and hearing things that were not there.
and spock and kirk found their senses...

La’an BELIEVED she is genetically altered an may commit atrocities. LONG before this episode...

so she did.... La’an EMBRACED the delusion ( or her preferred reality if you wish).
she did not fight it as hard as she could.

so i don't believe "whatever" has that strong a hold on everyone.

it may be much worse when you have a reason to stay delusional.

much like people who embrace drugs.

and while being drugged against your will is a mitigation factor for your sentence, you cannot rob a bank, kill people, assault anyone, or hundreds of other crimes. ( like drive a car).
if you commit a crime, being drugged or on drugs
it is not a defense.  unless you are in a movie. ( or a discriminated minority).


but even if you choose to be drunk or drugged, you cannot enter a binding contact..
so the law says BOTH while altered you cannot make a reasoned choice (like to have sex) and you have a reasoned choice of action.

kirk believing that negatively charged ions is PROOF of ghosts is far more interesting.
( first words out of his mouth, with conviction, after hearing "negatively charged ions")

(best careful or someone will need a 21 canon salute)

at the end of the episode La’an is looking at the "ghost" in the window of the other ship, saying nothing
because she knows a part of her liked what she did over there.


and
i am going to call the episode with the puppets as one with Q or some other god like entity

pirates were the first democratic organizations in the new world
and the first organizations where women could lead men

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piraterepublic wrote:

negatively charged ions"


Given how negatively charged ions can be created, I believe this is a lazy method to have us swallow whatever. Just throw something fancy sounding at us and we shall eat it up and like it.

Also, you people take this show or your replies way to bloody seriously. Writing complete essays to get your point across?

When I searched what causes negatively charged ions the following came up.

---======---

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    Waterfalls and Oceans: Visit beaches, rivers, or waterfalls where crashing water breaks water molecules and releases high levels of negative ions.

Forests and Parks: Walk among trees and plants, which naturally emit negative ions through photosynthesis and environmental interaction.
Earthing and Grounding: Walk barefoot directly on grass, sand, or bare soil to connect your body to the earth's natural electric charge.
After a Storm: Spend time outdoors during or right after rain, as storms naturally spike negative ion counts in the air.


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    Salt Lamps: Place Himalayan salt lamps in your rooms; when heated by a bulb or candle, they emit small amounts of negative ions.
    Houseplants: Keep indoor plants like ferns and small trees to support natural air cleansing and low-level ion production.
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    Hot Showers: Take a warm shower, as the evaporating steam and moving water droplets generate negative ions in your bathroom.

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See, I can do it too.

I did however enjoy this episode, for once it did not over explain what was going on, and left you hanging a bit.

I am happy to report that the negatively charged ions gave me super powers. smile

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I liked episode 2. It's the kind of episode every sci-fi show does at some point, just like a timeloop-episode.

The moment you realize it's going to be a classic sci-fi episode, you can just relax and wait for the small twists and turns every show tries to do to make their version unique smile

Although...

Spoiler

I'd rather have it end without a conclusion rather than "Division 12 is going to take care of it"...that was kind of a downer.

Deserved more runtime:
Abbys | Dead Like Me | Devs | Firefly | Gangsta. | Jack of all Trades | Kevin (probably) saves the World | Lodge 49 | Mrs. Davis | NYC 22 | Powerless | Roadkill | Special Unit 2 | Stumptown | Surface | The Brave | The Crazy Ones | The Finder | The Middleman | Truth Seekers | Two Weeks to Live | Whiskey Cavalier

https://next-episode.net/user/WilliamDrakeMcGregor/

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I have deleted a few posts.  Please stay on topic.

363 (edited by paisley1 2026-08-03 00:18:32)

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Loved 4x1, classic Trek, hated 4x2, didn't move the story forward, huge waste of time and everyone's excuses for bad storytelling is just bad storytelling, we learned nothing at the end of this episode other than reaffirming some deeper motivations within Spock, Kirk, and La'An Noonien-Singh, which we already knew.  Love complaining about Strange New Worlds, looking forward to the next episode.

I have important information for Merc, they found the secret to Pike's Peak, behold, Mount Anson:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVHG6P2U_aQ

https://i.ytimg.com/vi_webp/NVHG6P2U_aQ/maxresdefault.webp

As though his hair stylist has been reading our posts.

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So the "a movie that already exists as episode theme" trend continues. Sure did not expect Hangover though. Could still do without the overall goofiness on this show, but the episode was alright.

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What a piece of crap episode. Clearly different writers from the decent episode 2. I hope whoever wrote that never writes another episode of Star Trek ever again

366 (edited by piraterepublic 2026-08-06 23:08:40)

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the writers took a vacation.
i suppose you have to write some pulp crap to try and bring in those who loved academy (or whatever it was called)
and there is nothing that a drunk brainless pointless episode can do better then........
ok i have no way to defend this episode.
but it does give a plausible and reasonable event to bind kirk and spock to be friends for life.
who knows what horrors spock blurted out and kirk sat there just nodding to.( while sipping the not strong enough drink)
and that was all that was gained here.
you know.... CANNON wise......

it was a light episode that took nothing and gave little.
but i hope they do not make a habit of episodes like this.

( and here we have spock hallucinating and KNOWING for a fact its a hallucination, they way spock should)

pirates were the first democratic organizations in the new world
and the first organizations where women could lead men

367 (edited by some_one 2026-08-06 23:57:31)

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piraterepublic wrote:

( and here we have spock hallucinating and KNOWING for a fact its a hallucination, they way spock should)

Again: These are different types of brain malfunction.

One is when the part of your brain that interprets what your eyes are seeing is messing up. Easy to reason your way out of. That's what this is.

The other one, the one you hate, is when the problem is in the part of the brain that does the actual reasoning. The part that tells you what the things you are seeing actually mean. If an incorrect idea gets inserted there, it doesn't even matter whether or not you are actually "seeing" things. You simply "know" they are there. Every thought that disagrees with that is simply discarded, because it has a lower priority than that "knowledge".

How would you reason yourself out of a situation where your brain is not actually capable of reasoning?

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some_one wrote:

So the "a movie that already exists as episode theme" trend continues. Sure did not expect Hangover though.

yeah - I noticed that too.  But I did love the Klingon Power Ballads in the karaoke bar. With more Klingons for next week.

So reading episode descriptions for the remaining
https://next-episode.net/star-trek-stra … s/season-4

  1. 65

  2. Event Horizon

  3. Hangover

  4. Something gangster

  5. Angel - Puppet episode (but as a transporter accident? Really?)

  6. Slipstream - So Gene Roddenberry's Andomedia?

  7. Soap opera

  8. Might actually be a Trek episode

  9. Game of Thrones

  10. Timey Whimmey stuff

The number of goofy/fantasy episodes per season is annoying.  Basically half
3. Let's get stoned
5. Puppet transporter accident
7. Soap opera
9. Elysian fantasy
10. Remains to be seen based on how they do the time loop (could be good, could be Doctor Who)

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Given that we only get 10 episodes per season a year, and I believe the 5th season to be the last, even having 1 filler episode is way to many.

I do not mind them, when we get 22+ episodes per year. But 10? Come on.

I did sorta enjoy this one, but I was hoping for some action. Not dribble. I enjoyed Dave Foley's acting in this as well. He always plays odd characters well.

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i would like Dave Foley more if they ever had him play someone different then the cut out charter he always plays.
they must decide he is in the episode then write it so he is always the same. happens no matter what show it is.

he has been typecast badly.

but he plays his part well.

( i was pretty sad that the writers of startrek have no idea how big a centimeter is)
(it would also have been nice if they blew off scotty correct finger to match James Doohan)

pirates were the first democratic organizations in the new world
and the first organizations where women could lead men

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inkblot wrote:

Given that we only get 10 episodes per season a year, and I believe the 5th season to be the last, even having 1 filler episode is way to many.

I do not mind them, when we get 22+ episodes per year. But 10? Come on.

I did sorta enjoy this one, but I was hoping for some action. Not dribble. I enjoyed Dave Foley's acting in this as well. He always plays odd characters well.


The old Trek Writers used to pump out 24-26 episodes a year across 3 different shows, TNG, DS9 and Voyager that were all pretty damn decent, if not great.

"Current Day" writers struggle to even do 8-10 episodes were half are usually terrible.

It's an absolute joke.

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proteinnerd wrote:
inkblot wrote:

Given that we only get 10 episodes per season a year, and I believe the 5th season to be the last, even having 1 filler episode is way to many.

I do not mind them, when we get 22+ episodes per year. But 10? Come on.

I did sorta enjoy this one, but I was hoping for some action. Not dribble. I enjoyed Dave Foley's acting in this as well. He always plays odd characters well.


The old Trek Writers used to pump out 24-26 episodes a year across 3 different shows, TNG, DS9 and Voyager that were all pretty damn decent, if not great.

"Current Day" writers struggle to even do 8-10 episodes were half are usually terrible.

It's an absolute joke.

If this is a joke, who is it played on? I do not think 10 episodes are funny. And usually when they pull this 10 episode crap the last season is like 6-8 episodes only.

I have read that a lot of actors do not like this format. They don't get paid as much and they are tied to the show for a specific time.

Bring back the 20+ episodes and good writers.

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My only comment on S04E03 is 'Cr*p' note it's with a capital C, I am so disappointed I was hoping for more aliens and boldly going etc...but no we had to have a party wtf

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Totally agree with the 10 episode... no filler... bring back 24 episode seasons THAT START ON TIME IN SEPTEMBER.
10 episodes with 18 month break between end of last season and start of next is purely to keep people paying their streaming service rent.  Someone figured out that's the optimum gap before people start killing the service.

It used to be "summer break" then the new season started in the fall for 24 episodes.  For that you accept a couple budget saving episodes.

But we're 30+ years ahead on technology so it should be a wash.  I don't want to hear one more person talk about how the quality of the effects is better - SO IS THE TECH TO MAKE THEM.  If the current tech is 15x slower then go back to the old ways.


And it would be great if Strange New Worlds would actual explore some of those new worlds.  1st contact situations.  Study some new pre-warp society.  Ya know-Explore.  Instead of hop from known world to known world to space station.

I felt nothing for the exhaustion level of the crew because we saw none of what they were going through to get there - and that would have been the episodes worth watching.

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hmm I had high hopes after eps 1. Eps 2 was just crap