The "woke" discussion thread (Page 3 of 4)

Yes, exactly. Language does change over time, and it only gets more annoying the longer you live, but that's always been the case. Do always keep in mind that things becoming offensive is often a case of people having been uncomfortable with it all along, but feeling it's too common to speak out against, back in the day. Or, sometimes, it's just the context that has changed.

Some people do overreact habitually. Some of those do that because they like to make things about themselves, some just like an excuse to criticise, some have genuine mental problems beyond that, but for some it's also because they have lived lives where they feel that lashing out is the only thing that has ever marginally improved anything. Or maybe they've just met too many people before you who did it intentionally to even consider you might not be one of those, anymore. If you try to remain polite, rather than getting defensive, everything should be fine. If you're in a group, the rest will understand. Just make an effort.

There are also situations where you might be able to tell that you probably said something problematic, but nobody wants to be the one to call you out on it. Always feel free to ask, "did I say something stupid?". There's no shame in it whatsoever, because we all do sometimes.

As you have already noted, there are as many definitions as there are people. That's because, ultimately, it doesn't describe a thing but a feeling a lot of people have, of being told how to behave. It just so happens that the people complaining about that the loudest are usually exactly the people nobody wants to listen to in the first place, those who take joy in putting others down. And then, over time, more and more causes get attached to it, basically anything those people don't like.

When Florida's Ron DeSantis, who was doing a lot on campaigning on "end wokeness" at the time, was asked in court to actually define what that means, the best his staff could come up with was "the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them". This was in 2022. The term itself is meaningless, because any meaning it has or might have will instantly be eroded by broadening it for some additional cause or other.

An excellent example. Was it necessary back then? No, really not. Did it ultimately matter? Also no. The result was ultimately no worse for it. But, some people just like to dig their heels in on everything. And that "everything" eventually got the name "wokeness" slapped on.

Maybe. It'll always find a way to make you angry about something (even if it's just people on lawns). That's a built-in feature. We just gotta take care to not let that anger override our better judgement, which is always difficult.

And thank you for having it. These are stressful times for everyone, it's always good if we can talk to rather than about each other.

Disclaimer 1: I have yet to catch up on the discussion in this thread, so this topic may have been addressed already.
Disclaimer 2: I want it to be clear that I have no issues with anyone sexuality or otherwise.

So, I have just watched the latest episode of Stranger Things. I find it hard to believe that there isn't some kind of clear pushed agenda in our entertainment.

Why is this so important for the producers to insert, why does the plot have to have

it has been a great show but now it just seems that the entire solution or culmination of the story hinges on

but for the plot to hinge on it is either super bad writing or they are trying to push their "Woke" (for lack of a better word) agenda.

Why oh why?

Brothers! What we do in life...Echoes in Eternity!

I think nightcrow brings up reasonable questions about Stranger Things. That episode got a lot of pushback online that I'm not super interested in wading through (it's rough out there) but I too would appreciate some responses from the kind of thoughtful people on here. I don't watch the show and feel I would have to watch a lot of it to understand the context, so I'm looking forward to seeing what others post in response

You all don't get this part, it's on a level of a brutal facepalm for some 200 million people. Basically the same as for Egyptians a black Cleopatra (just nobody will sue anybody this time, but for sure will be laughing). Which also proves the point that all those wokeness preachers and an enlightenment bringers are not very smart by default (assuming that this was a "diversity" decision). It's as stupid as to cast some Irish guy as an Indian chief in a western.

But compared to all woke garbage what I have seen past years this is nothing, totally minor, they can do way more impressive performances.

I’d love to see where you got that number.. Or is it the same place where I saw that 7,5 billion people were either for it or didn’t care? Which also proves the point that all those anti-wokeness preachers and an enlightment blockers are not very smart by default.

First of all: Posting random video essays is just about one of the shittiest ways to contribute to any kind of discussion. It only works to suggests that you can't make your own point in a way that meshes with what has already been said, and that you want to waste everyone's time by getting them to spend a quarter hour listening to some rando who may or may not make your point for you. Picking a guy who talks in an intentionally obnoxious tone the whole time only makes it worse. Just... don't.

Second: That guy doesn't seem to be "summing up" anything at all, or does he start doing it at the end? The first few minutes are just listing examples, stating his take on them and then moving on before anyone has time to question any of it too much. That's almost the opposite of a summary; it's hammering a point home with quantity over quality.

Third: Are you under the impression that you are not getting your point across, rather than being confronted with people who understand what you are saying but simply think, for a variety of reasons, that you are wrong?

And he has covered more in other videos, so, if somebody still is lost what "woke" in movies/TV means, there is the best concentrated explanations with arrows and examples. I agree to some 70% of what he is saying and 100% to how he is saying it. He obviously has spent thinking way more about this than I ever want to. A well formulated points and reasoning. That's what people in general think outside of "safe" minority bubbles. Even if they are not saying it (especially in certain countries/areas, because tolerance there is just in theory, in practice is more Stalin style tolerance ).

some_one don’t bother. g371 is not and has never been interested in a discussion or other points of view. You may have noticed how they just sidestepped the points I made few posts ago.

They never responds to any points you might make. They’ll just spout their unfounded “stats” like they are some high truth that everyone knows but some woke people are trying to ignore to turn kids gay or something.

I’ll give this thread about five more posts from them before we get to them saying woke movies are the reason Putin is waging war and the whole war is woke gay people’s fault.

At least that’s how these have gone in the past.

Good for you for having the energy to do that.

I’ve done my 15 rounds with them already and just wanted to give you a heads up so you know what’s in store for you.

Good luck, have fun

Again, you are working off the assumption that the goal is to change the mind of the person you are talking to. In a debate, it is not. I do not have "the energy to do that", but I do invest what little I can spare, because it can help in the broader scope. Besides, I am familiar with the way g371 thinks; this here just happened to be an unusually useless contribution to the point of notability.

An interesting and thoughtful article. More thoughtful than just "it's all DEI BS".

https://deadline.com/2026/01/bbc-color- … 236702132/

I’m still yet to catch up on this thread, but for those who prefer to avoid “woke” content (and I understand that this term is still vague for some) I found that this site helps me out a little bit, even though there isn’t much traffic and it’s still a bit buggy, however it seems to do the job:

https://www.wokeornot.net/

Brothers! What we do in life...Echoes in Eternity!