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Topic: The War Between the Land and the Sea [Adventure, Sci-Fi, Fantasy]
https://next-episode.net/the-war-betwee … nd-the-sea 
When a fearsome and ancient species emerges from the ocean, dramatically revealing themselves to humanity, an international crisis is triggered. With the entire population at risk, UNIT step into action as the land and sea wage war.

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Re: The War Between the Land and the Sea [Adventure, Sci-Fi, Fantasy]
Trailer looks like this MIGHT be good. That species originates from the Doctor Whoniverse - I hope there won't be any Doctor Who here. 

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Re: The War Between the Land and the Sea [Adventure, Sci-Fi, Fantasy]
Episode 01 did not really impress. I hope for a better Episode 02. First of all I would say you don't need to know much about Dr. Who (which I absolutely don't) to understand this show. Maybe some things will get past you but it didn't affect my understanding of what is going on. The human MC is a absolutely horrible character and so far doesn't make sense to me.
▼Spoiler So he get's a phone call in the middle of the night, is immediately ready for a call to action and then..."I work in transport, I only organize the taxis" ...lol, what? So what did he think he got that call for then?? And the female soldier knows him and asks something like "are you on call tonight?" - so wait, does she know he has no clearance for the mission or what is going on? And apart from that one single list he is accidentally on, are there no other security measures for this top secret mission? The first helicopter ride...that guy next to him just ignored that he wasn't authorized and no one else realized he wasn't able to access the information on the tablet? That "civilian whitness" stuff is an awesome concept...unfortunately they barely elaborated on that. Could've brought up some examples and bring more depth to the role. All this stuff annoyed me that I almost quit halfway through the episode...good thing the second half was way better
The ancient species was definitely the better part of the show.
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Re: The War Between the Land and the Sea [Adventure, Sci-Fi, Fantasy]
Urgs.... terrible. Tried to get through episode 2... but I can't. All of the people and dialogs are sooooo terrible.

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fassy wrote:Urgs.... terrible. Tried to get through episode 2... but I can't. All of the people and dialogs are sooooo terrible.
You should've watched EP02 till the end...made quitting this awful show so much more worth it  This could very well be the worst show of the year. PS: Can't wait for the people discussing in the The "woke" discussion thread take a look at this show 
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6 Reply by g371 2025-12-11 18:53:30 (edited by g371 2025-12-11 19:39:10)

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Re: The War Between the Land and the Sea [Adventure, Sci-Fi, Fantasy]
It's kind of clear already from the image above that it has like 87% chance to suck. Edit: For shits & giggles started to watch E01, yes, it's pure Disney's woke cringe, not counting all subtle bs before that, in the 9th min I loled at "Homo Aqua" Must police the language, cannot offend sea devils  Edit 2: Change the genre to comedy and it's great - S01E01 26:43 "don't refer to them as male", ahahaahhaa
7 Reply by fassy 2025-12-11 21:04:17 (edited by fassy 2025-12-11 21:04:30)
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WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:You should've watched EP02 till the end...made quitting this awful show so much more worth it  This could very well be the worst show of the year.
OMG... your comment made me curious. Now I have to wash out my eyes with turpentine and drink at least 9 liters ot pure ethanol to unsee and forget that crap. I mean... who writes such a story and dialogues? And who did the casting. Literally NONE of the - so called - actors has ANY TALENT AT ALL. Worst of the worst I have seen in years. Next to the "How many minority groups can we fit into one shot.", "buhuhuhu... Climate Crisis", "Evil American Big Cooperations and Military lackeys".... This is so cringeworthy, don't even know where to start.
8 Reply by g371 2025-12-12 04:46:25 (edited by g371 2025-12-12 05:01:26)

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Re: The War Between the Land and the Sea [Adventure, Sci-Fi, Fantasy]
Yeah, the end of E02 escalated fast. So, the gender fluid fish actually can clean up oceans at the fraction of the time and cost, why not dump all that plastic at some recycling plant? Why all that drama? Also, if they want all waterways it means we can tax them for usage of artificial human made waterways like Suez canal or swim around Africa?  Actors don't need to be good, they need to be diverse and they are. Scripts write lunatics. Who tell them that they suck? Nobody, because it's a safe space They all have slept at math and physics, that's why they always have 1+1=11 and also this time missed the tiny issue that in the next meeting spot under the ocean is a tiny issue called... a pressure We did not pick up that Titanic not because we don't want, we simply can't 
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it's been a while i cringed so much watching a Series, might keep watching it but just because it is so bad.
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I'm sorry, but I am in complete agreement with these thoughts and already thought this could be a major waste of time for me. I can't see it yet (I would need to wait for Disney+ in 2026) here in the USA and I am SO VERY, VERY glad! Thank you guys so much for saving me time, and it seems, my sanity! I am removing this show from my Next list right now. My most sincere apologies to all that worked on the show.
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Re: The War Between the Land and the Sea [Adventure, Sci-Fi, Fantasy]
MimiCarr wrote:My most sincere apologies to all that worked on the show.
I seriously ask myself: Are the people working on that show... from producer, director to the actors actually think what they do is pretty good? Do they sit in their comfy couch and when screening the episodes to their family are proud of what they delivered? Probably just another illustration of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
12 Reply by g371 2025-12-14 00:57:16 (edited by g371 2025-12-14 00:59:02)

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fassy wrote:MimiCarr wrote:My most sincere apologies to all that worked on the show.
I seriously ask myself: Are the people working on that show... from producer, director to the actors actually think what they do is pretty good? Do they sit in their comfy couch and when screening the episodes to their family are proud of what they delivered? Probably just another illustration of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
I also have thought about it. It's impossible that ALL of them are in such isolated bubble that nobody understands that it's a total garbage. I think simply wins "need to pay the bills" and they play along. And I already long ago have predicted that once this woke circus will go out of fashion we will hear hilarious stories from behind the scenes - when those people will be able to speak freely and won't worry about their job security (because now they for sure are worried, since tolerance preachers are nowhere close to tolerant).
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Is this turning into Splash (1984 Tom Hanks+ Darly Hannah)?
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Yep, for ALL that we got a 4 hour worth of sub-standard Splash with guns
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g371 wrote:I also have thought about it. It's impossible that ALL of them are in such isolated bubble that nobody understands that it's a total garbage. I think simply wins "need to pay the bills" and they play along. And I already long ago have predicted that once this woke circus will go out of fashion we will hear hilarious stories from behind the scenes - when those people will be able to speak freely and won't worry about their job security (because now they for sure are worried, since tolerance preachers are nowhere close to tolerant).
This is regime propaganda pushing the approved message on climate change, microplastics, transitioning, pollution, anti-militarism etc. The rights to Doctor Who of which this is a spinoff is owned by the BBC so it's not really a surprise that it has turned out this way since the BBC is owned by the British state. The people working for the BBC today are fully aware of what they are doing but see it as a sort of greater good to push out shite like this as long as it promotes all the things they like.
16 Reply by g371 2025-12-22 14:20:47 (edited by g371 2025-12-22 15:03:47)

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Re: The War Between the Land and the Sea [Adventure, Sci-Fi, Fantasy]
Kanga wrote:This is regime propaganda pushing the approved message on climate change, microplastics, transitioning, pollution, anti-militarism etc. The rights to Doctor Who of which this is a spinoff is owned by the BBC so it's not really a surprise that it has turned out this way since the BBC is owned by the British state.
This is a teamwork BBC + Disney. Also I don't think that any of this by default is some gov synchronized effort, because it's all over the place and has a strategic stupidity. It's simply vegan like preaching and screeching idiots thinking that they do good. But more often than not they just make things worse, because... they are stupid. Like in this case let's take a look at oceans pollution/plastics stuff. It's a real and serious issue. What this lunacy will achieve? Somebody will start to care what is being dumped into oceans, enters food chain and ends up floating in every organism? Nope, all this will achieve is that further attempts to address this issue will have an association with raging lunatics. BBC is protected by law from gov influence, the same problem is in almost every other developed country. There are mechanisms to protect freedom, but nobody saw coming that those who are protected will hit their heads hard. Exact same we have in my country, gov funded media agency instead of an objective reporting has "opinions" and obviously are leaning in a certain direction. And if somebody points that out, they start to screech like crazy that their rights are being infringed lala. How all this will end also is clear, at least for a while we all will enjoy wannabe-Adolf regimes who will come to power by simply doing/promising the opposite, I saw this coming already 10 years ago, since it's a pretty basic math. Pendulum just will swing to the other side and overshoot. That's why in my book all these woke efforts are absolutely idiotic, they don't solve anything, just create a mountain of new issues on top of existing. And they think that they are so sneaky and clever that nobody will notice non-stop stream of bs injections while in reality most of the time it's such propaganda amateur hour that it's an insult to an intelligence. You can check Twitter today what is their new hot "world saving" topic today and max 6 months later it will be in some show 1:1. Also, the irony that this virtue signaling even is in English. That's the usual 1+1=11. Philippines - ~356,000 metric tons annually Primary sources: Rivers in highly populated coastal areas, inadequate waste management India - ~126,000 metric tons annually Hotspots: Ganges and other major river systems, urban coastal cities Malaysia - ~73,000 metric tons annually Issues: Rapid urbanization, waste importation (until recent restrictions) China - ~70,700 metric tons annually Note: Historically #1 but has improved waste management; still significant due to size Indonesia - ~56,300 metric tons annually Concerns: Archipelago with dense coastal populations, river pollution Brazil - ~38,000 metric tons annually Sources: Amazon basin, extensive coastline, urban waste Vietnam - ~28,000 metric tons annually Factors: Long coastline, Mekong Delta pollution, manufacturing growth Bangladesh - ~24,000 metric tons annually Issues: Ganges-Brahmaputra delta, dense population, limited infrastructure Thailand - ~23,000 metric tons annually Sources: Tourism, river systems, packaging waste Nigeria - ~19,000 metric tons annually Africa's largest contributor: Rapid urbanization, inadequate waste systems
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g371 wrote:This is a teamwork BBC + Disney. Also I don't think that any of this by default is some gov synchronized effort, because it's all over the place and has a strategic stupidity. It's simply vegan like preaching and screeching idiots thinking that they do good. But more often than not they just make things worse, because... they are stupid.
After having looked deeply into this topic I can tell you with no doubt in my mind that all major media is incentivized so heavily to move in the direction that the regime desires that there is no "free" media. You spoke about laws to protect BBC from the state.. well there is no law protecting them against getting their funding pulled so if they put out things that the British state don't like.. we know how that will end. Besides that, there is various funding organs who will only invest if there is x amount of social justice, likewise the investment vehicle they setup for the production will have an easier time if it's ESG friendly, ASA will allow you more if you play ball just as Ofcom will be friendlier. In short there is a million quangos that you have to bend a knee to and every little time you do, the needle is moved just a tiny bit towards exactly what the regime broadly wants and in the end, you're just putting out propaganda.
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Kanga wrote:After having looked deeply into this topic I can tell you with no doubt in my mind that all major media is incentivized so heavily to move in the direction that the regime desires that there is no "free" media. You spoke about laws to protect BBC from the state.. well there is no law protecting them against getting their funding pulled so if they put out things that the British state don't like.. we know how that will end. Besides that, there is various funding organs who will only invest if there is x amount of social justice, likewise the investment vehicle they setup for the production will have an easier time if it's ESG friendly, ASA will allow you more if you play ball just as Ofcom will be friendlier. In short there is a million quangos that you have to bend a knee to and every little time you do, the needle is moved just a tiny bit towards exactly what the regime broadly wants and in the end, you're just putting out propaganda.
Nice conspiracy theory, if somewhat dimished by the amount of people in the "regime" who are actually less happy with the way these things are going than the actual population. Here's a different one, relying less on active pressure from anyone, and simplified: The "west" has had a fairly long time without major wars or famine, so lots of people started asking questions secondary to survival, such as "when is it okay to be an asshole?". Turns out "never" is the only answer you can give without risk of seeming like, y'know, an asshole, so the consensus has been inching towards that. There are still lots of people in the world for whom not being allowed to be an asshole would be a challenge to their worldview or even way of life. So, some of those have started trying to convince as many others, who wouldn't otherwise care, that they are in the same boat. The resulting "faction" starts looking a lot like one of those who, historically, were pretty quick to actively interfere with the operations of public broadcasting. Because of that, most of the people working in that sector feel disinclined to help them with anything: It would be directly against their own interests. The faction is also, despite appearances for those involved, not a majority, meaning most corporate media will also not hop on that cause, as they have less to gain from that than from attempts (however hamfisted) to appeal to all kinds of different niche audiences. Back to the actual show... this really didn't need to exist. It was basically an overlong episode of Doctor Who, slightly above average quality as of recently, because it showed some people at least sometimes being competent at their job. They all but said it in the last episode that the basic idea was "what happens when the Doctor doesn't show up" and the answer they came up with is apparently "we fuck it all up". The environmental stuff was pretty much just window dressing, it didn't matter much to anything in the end and could have been addressed less. Weirdly enough, I think this might have been improved by simply removing both protagonists. It wasn't really bad, but it didn't need to exist.
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It started OK for me then they decided to add the love element in to it and I immediately got switched off by it. Fast forwarded through the last episode for more of the same. I wonder why writers feel it necessary to include the love angle when it's science fiction, no science fiction should have love angles, it really is not necessary IMO.
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some_one wrote:Nice conspiracy theory, if somewhat dimished by the amount of people in the "regime" who are actually less happy with the way these things are going than the actual population. Here's a different one, relying less on active pressure from anyone, and simplified: The "west" has had a fairly long time without major wars or famine, so lots of people started asking questions secondary to survival, such as "when is it okay to be an asshole?". Turns out "never" is the only answer you can give without risk of seeming like, y'know, an asshole, so the consensus has been inching towards that. There are still lots of people in the world for whom not being allowed to be an asshole would be a challenge to their worldview or even way of life. So, some of those have started trying to convince as many others, who wouldn't otherwise care, that they are in the same boat. The resulting "faction" starts looking a lot like one of those who, historically, were pretty quick to actively interfere with the operations of public broadcasting. Because of that, most of the people working in that sector feel disinclined to help them with anything: It would be directly against their own interests. The faction is also, despite appearances for those involved, not a majority, meaning most corporate media will also not hop on that cause, as they have less to gain from that than from attempts (however hamfisted) to appeal to all kinds of different niche audiences.
Yes, it's a conspiracy theory when I have researched something and come to a conclusion but then at the same time the system has existed for hundreds of years as you point out but really what makes the media extremely similar with the same modern liberal points repeated again and again and again is just an implementation of "Don't be an ass", you really have to wonder why that slogan didn't result in the same outcome just 20 years ago.
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Kanga wrote:Yes, it's a conspiracy theory when I have researched something and come to a conclusion
There are lots of real conspiracies, and lots of theories about ones that are not real. The people who spread those all have done "research". There is a reason why a large part of proper academical work is actually describing your process and discussing its shortcomings with others before publishing. Looking things up is, by itself, not research. Kanga wrote:the system has existed for hundreds of years as you point out
I have done no such thing. My statement was referring to the time since WW2, which is the most recent "major war" I was referring to. Based on our previous conversations, I believe we fundamentally disagree on whether or not the arrival of ubiquitous mass media (more so than the initial arrival of mass media via the printing press) and personal communication technology has fundamentally changed the dynamics of how society and politics work. I believe it did, and that measuring anything by the previously existing standards now is an exercise in futility. Kanga wrote:what makes the media extremely similar with the same modern liberal points repeated again and again and again is just an implementation of "Don't be an ass", you really have to wonder why that slogan didn't result in the same outcome just 20 years ago.
It, uh, did eventually result in the very outcome we are looking at. That's very much the point. The "ideology" we are discussing was not grown in a lab, as much as some would like to believe. It is simply the logical conclusion many of us semi-independently arrived at after western society largely accepted the premise that cooperation is the best way to get anything we want done, done.
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