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Topic: American Primeval

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A raw, adventurous exploration of the birth of the American West. The violent collisions of cultures, religions and communities as men and women fight and die for control of this new world - for a land they truly believe is their destiny. The ensemble tells a story of the sacrifice all must pay when they choose to enter a lawless and untamed wilderness.

First episode was very good, looks promising. Feels similar to https://next-episode.net/1883 but a lot more grittier.
I know it's a dark setting, but a little bit more saturation wouldn't hurt smile

Betty Gilpin does an awesome job as always, the rest of the cast & characters are also pretty good.

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Damn...you can't even guess who might survive in this one smile

The only character I feel like is out of place is Isaac Reed. He talked to her for like 2 minutes and suddenly feels the urge to follow her and protect her...it was a very simple solution for her and her son to survive...could've been handled differently.  But let's see where they are going with this.

Shows that deserved more runtime:
Abbys | Dead Like Me | Devs | Firefly | Gangsta. | Jack of all Trades | Kevin (probably) saves the World | Lodge 49 | Mrs. Davis | NYC 22 | Powerless | Roadkill | Special Unit 2 | Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi | Stumptown | Surface | The Brave | The Company You Keep | The Crazy Ones | The Finder | The Middleman | Truth Seekers | Two Weeks to Live | Whiskey Cavalier

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Oh, Betty Gilpin! Enjoyed her in https://next-episode.net/mrs.-davis - I shall take a closer look here if the ratings turn out well. smile

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I like it, even though it's not really my favorite genre. Well paced, gritty and rough. 

Taylor Kitsch has grown up quite a lot since Friday night Lights...

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Finished.

I did like it, even though the ending in the east was unexpected and very much disappointing.
The west was easily guessed, but still enjoyable.

It definitely kept it's grittiness all the way through and never let you forget where the story is taking place.

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Anyone else think they killed off way too many characters?!

Fort Bridger is the most disappointing of all, that was all a haggle? - and why the heck would people happily keep drinking in a burning pub?

Red Feather planned an ambush and then what...anyone we knew from the Shoshone tribe dies anyway?..
I get wanting to show the dark side of american history, but the Mormons should've taken some kind of loss in the end (Wolsey died, ok, but I don't think Young cared that much).

It could've gone this way:
Young needed the Fort, not just the land, for whatever reason. While concentrating on taking out Red Feather and cleaning up Wolseys mess, Bridger burns down the Fort himself and therefore putting a thorn into Youngs plans.
Since Bridger knew Young would hunt him down, he killed himself together with his Fort.

Shows that deserved more runtime:
Abbys | Dead Like Me | Devs | Firefly | Gangsta. | Jack of all Trades | Kevin (probably) saves the World | Lodge 49 | Mrs. Davis | NYC 22 | Powerless | Roadkill | Special Unit 2 | Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi | Stumptown | Surface | The Brave | The Company You Keep | The Crazy Ones | The Finder | The Middleman | Truth Seekers | Two Weeks to Live | Whiskey Cavalier

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Re: American Primeval

WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:


I did like it, even though the ending in the east was unexpected and very much disappointing.
The west was easily guessed, but still enjoyable.

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True, the ending in the west was the typical tragic drama ending. Still I like it, it was well executed. For the east... well, based on historical events. The thing which came short is a bit is the to really tell the story why the post for important for both the US Army and Gov Young and his militia.

WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:
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Anyone else think they killed off way too many characters?!

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Not really? Not sure who should have survived who didn't? Isaac? Abish and Jacob? Red Feather? Winter Bird and all of the Shoshone? Any of the settlers killed by the militia? Any of the US Army soldiers? The crazy french highway men family? the bounty hunters?

Isaac - as above, expected and well executed. Unavoidable without a cheesy happy happy ending.
Abish and Jacob - Their tragedy was very well told. Loved it.
Red Feather, Winter Bird and All of the Shoshone - I think Red Feather just had to die this way. We could argue if Winter Bird and all of the Shoshone had to die with him, but I think the point was to show the end of the wild roaming tribes in the plains.
US Army soldiers - not sure why I would have saved on of them. Maybe the Captain, but in the end he would not have any more story to carry for the reminder of the series.

I guess we won't need to talk about the others mentioned.

WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:
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Fort Bridger is the most disappointing of all, that was all a haggle? -

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yes, the Jim Bridger and Fort Bridger story is based on historical facts. But taking quite some liberty to tell the story. See here more: https://www.uen.org/utah_history_encycl … DGER.shtml

WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:
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and why the heck would people happily keep drinking in a burning pub?

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I guess to depict them as being a bunch of drunk low-life mountain-men who didn't give a f about anything? But I think you see most of them heading out sooner or later.

WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:
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Red Feather planned an ambush and then what...anyone we knew from the Shoshone tribe dies anyway?..
I get wanting to show the dark side of american history, but the Mormons should've taken some kind of loss in the end (Wolsey died, ok, but I don't think Young cared that much).

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Well, they don't show how many of the Mormons died. They might have considerable losses. But only a few people from the Mormons had "faces" anyway... like Young, Wild Bill, Wolsey and that guy who stole the pocket watch. Wolsey and "that guy" did get what they deserved. Young and Wild Bill had to survive for historical context.

As I sadi, I guess they had to kill of all the Shoshone to make their point of: End of the reign of the free tribes in the plains.

WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:
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Young needed the Fort, not just the land, for whatever reason.

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So, the US Army cannot use it as a base of operations.

WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:
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While concentrating on taking out Red Feather and cleaning up Wolseys mess, Bridger burns down the Fort himself and therefore putting a thorn into Youngs plans.

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why should he? Bridger didn't care for either side. He was an opportunist driven by profit only. He could also have sold to the US Army.

WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:
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Since Bridger knew Young would hunt him down, he killed himself together with his Fort.

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Well, again... he wasn't killed at that time. He lived quite a long while after the story here conluded and died 25 years later at his home in Missouri.

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fassy wrote:
WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:


I did like it, even though the ending in the east was unexpected and very much disappointing.
The west was easily guessed, but still enjoyable.

Spoiler

True, the ending in the west was the typical tragic drama ending. Still I like it, it was well executed. For the east... well, based on historical events. The thing which came short is a bit is the to really tell the story why the post for important for both the US Army and Gov Young and his militia.

WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:
Spoiler

Anyone else think they killed off way too many characters?!

Spoiler

Not really? Not sure who should have survived who didn't? Isaac? Abish and Jacob? Red Feather? Winter Bird and all of the Shoshone? Any of the settlers killed by the militia? Any of the US Army soldiers? The crazy french highway men family? the bounty hunters?

Isaac - as above, expected and well executed. Unavoidable without a cheesy happy happy ending.
Abish and Jacob - Their tragedy was very well told. Loved it.
Red Feather, Winter Bird and All of the Shoshone - I think Red Feather just had to die this way. We could argue if Winter Bird and all of the Shoshone had to die with him, but I think the point was to show the end of the wild roaming tribes in the plains.
US Army soldiers - not sure why I would have saved on of them. Maybe the Captain, but in the end he would not have any more story to carry for the reminder of the series.

I guess we won't need to talk about the others mentioned.

WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:
Spoiler

Fort Bridger is the most disappointing of all, that was all a haggle? -

Spoiler

yes, the Jim Bridger and Fort Bridger story is based on historical facts. But taking quite some liberty to tell the story. See here more: https://www.uen.org/utah_history_encycl … DGER.shtml

WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:
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and why the heck would people happily keep drinking in a burning pub?

Spoiler

I guess to depict them as being a bunch of drunk low-life mountain-men who didn't give a f about anything? But I think you see most of them heading out sooner or later.

WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:
Spoiler

Red Feather planned an ambush and then what...anyone we knew from the Shoshone tribe dies anyway?..
I get wanting to show the dark side of american history, but the Mormons should've taken some kind of loss in the end (Wolsey died, ok, but I don't think Young cared that much).

Spoiler

Well, they don't show how many of the Mormons died. They might have considerable losses. But only a few people from the Mormons had "faces" anyway... like Young, Wild Bill, Wolsey and that guy who stole the pocket watch. Wolsey and "that guy" did get what they deserved. Young and Wild Bill had to survive for historical context.

As I sadi, I guess they had to kill of all the Shoshone to make their point of: End of the reign of the free tribes in the plains.

WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:
Spoiler

Young needed the Fort, not just the land, for whatever reason.

Spoiler

So, the US Army cannot use it as a base of operations.

WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:
Spoiler

While concentrating on taking out Red Feather and cleaning up Wolseys mess, Bridger burns down the Fort himself and therefore putting a thorn into Youngs plans.

Spoiler

why should he? Bridger didn't care for either side. He was an opportunist driven by profit only. He could also have sold to the US Army.

WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:
Spoiler

Since Bridger knew Young would hunt him down, he killed himself together with his Fort.

Spoiler

Well, again... he wasn't killed at that time. He lived quite a long while after the story here conluded and died 25 years later at his home in Missouri.

Didn't know the show was based on historical facts, I don't think there was any "based on a true story" notice smile. Good to know. Thanks.

With being based on historical facts you can't really argue about peoples decisions since what happened happened (even with liberties taken), that makes it definitely better than I initially thought.

Shows that deserved more runtime:
Abbys | Dead Like Me | Devs | Firefly | Gangsta. | Jack of all Trades | Kevin (probably) saves the World | Lodge 49 | Mrs. Davis | NYC 22 | Powerless | Roadkill | Special Unit 2 | Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi | Stumptown | Surface | The Brave | The Company You Keep | The Crazy Ones | The Finder | The Middleman | Truth Seekers | Two Weeks to Live | Whiskey Cavalier