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 - WilliamDrakeMcGregor
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Topic: Agatha All Along
https://next-episode.net/agatha-all-along
WandaVision spinoff revealing more about Agatha Harkness.
I liked the first two episodes. It used it's first episode pretty good to distance itself from the MCU (which it absolutely should) and established itself as a sidestory. The only thing they need to fix is the pacing. Episode 1 was a bit too slow and Episode 2 way too fast in my opinion. Cast & characters are great, writing OK. I loved the end credits which are a slideshow from tv witches. Great idea ! ▼Spoiler The only thing that I didn't like was that, during the fight scene between Agatha and Black Heart Witch, they constantly had to throw in one-liners. It was basically "punch - one-liner - punch - one-liner - ...".
Shows that deserved more runtime:
Abbys | Dead Like Me | Devs | Firefly | Gangsta. | Jack of all Trades | Kevin (probably) saves the World | Lodge 49 | Mrs. Davis | NYC 22 | Powerless | Roadkill | Special Unit 2 | Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi | Stumptown | Surface | The Brave | The Company You Keep | The Crazy Ones | The Finder | The Middleman | Truth Seekers | Two Weeks to Live | Whiskey Cavalier
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Can it really be called a spinoff when there seems to be hardly any overlap?  But the trailer looks fun, I shall check this out. Thanks, haven't stumbled upon it yet. It's helpful to post at https://forum.next-episode.net/viewtopic.php?id=9954 after starting a new TV show thread. Are you willing to do that?
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Do I need to have watched the WandaVision to understand it?
DRM "manages access" in the same way that Prison "manages freedom". http://xkcd.com/488/
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P.S.: And how fun that this show features Aubrey Plaza. I just reviewed bits of the great https://next-episode.net/legion yesterday, also featuring her.
- WilliamDrakeMcGregor
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lighton wrote:Can it really be called a spinoff when there seems to be hardly any overlap? But the trailer looks fun, I shall check this out. Thanks, haven't stumbled upon it yet. It's helpful to post at https://forum.next-episode.net/viewtopic.php?id=9954 after starting a new TV show thread. Are you willing to do that?
Sure can do, weird though that this isn't an automatic process. After all, I start the posts with the "Start a discussion..." link on the show page.
Shows that deserved more runtime:
Abbys | Dead Like Me | Devs | Firefly | Gangsta. | Jack of all Trades | Kevin (probably) saves the World | Lodge 49 | Mrs. Davis | NYC 22 | Powerless | Roadkill | Special Unit 2 | Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi | Stumptown | Surface | The Brave | The Company You Keep | The Crazy Ones | The Finder | The Middleman | Truth Seekers | Two Weeks to Live | Whiskey Cavalier
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Re: Agatha All Along
WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:lighton wrote:Can it really be called a spinoff when there seems to be hardly any overlap? But the trailer looks fun, I shall check this out. Thanks, haven't stumbled upon it yet. It's helpful to post at https://forum.next-episode.net/viewtopic.php?id=9954 after starting a new TV show thread. Are you willing to do that?
Sure can do, weird though that this isn't an automatic process. After all, I start the posts with the "Start a discussion..." link on the show page.
Yes, but some people just use that option to say that a show has aired/ will air soon/ something random, and we don't want those kinds of threads linked automatically as a "Forum" link on show pages.
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lighton wrote:WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:lighton wrote:Can it really be called a spinoff when there seems to be hardly any overlap? But the trailer looks fun, I shall check this out. Thanks, haven't stumbled upon it yet. It's helpful to post at https://forum.next-episode.net/viewtopic.php?id=9954 after starting a new TV show thread. Are you willing to do that?
Sure can do, weird though that this isn't an automatic process. After all, I start the posts with the "Start a discussion..." link on the show page.
Yes, but some people just use that option to say that a show has aired/ will air soon/ something random, and we don't want those kinds of threads linked automatically as a "Forum" link on show pages.
Interesting. But with that in mind, doesn't the "Start a discussion..." link has more disadvantages than advantages? 
Shows that deserved more runtime:
Abbys | Dead Like Me | Devs | Firefly | Gangsta. | Jack of all Trades | Kevin (probably) saves the World | Lodge 49 | Mrs. Davis | NYC 22 | Powerless | Roadkill | Special Unit 2 | Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi | Stumptown | Surface | The Brave | The Company You Keep | The Crazy Ones | The Finder | The Middleman | Truth Seekers | Two Weeks to Live | Whiskey Cavalier
- lighton
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It's more engaging regarding new users, but it sure has its disadvantages...
9 Reply by TheFizza 2024-09-25 06:41:40 (edited by TheFizza 2024-11-04 11:21:50)
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Soooo, that's ▼Spoiler Wiccan right? annnnd he's looking for his family, is my guess?! Do we think it'll end with ▼Spoiler Wanda returning to life [or from an alternative Earth]? Him reuniting with Speed [his brother] or will it just be Vision showing up to be like, 'I'm colorless now which mean I have no emotions (didn't you read the comics)'? I hope it's the first, I really would love to see what would happen next in that situation. Also, we now have enough Young Avengers to have a movie... Past time to get on that MARVEL!
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Hawkeye (Kate Bishop)
Patriot (Eli Bradley)
Stature (Cassie Lang) ▼Spoiler Wiccan (Billy Kaplan) If it's Hulkling (Teddy Altman) that Wiccan's texting with then it's just his brother Speed (Tommy Shepherd) who might need to be found or may already just be hanging around [off screen]. As for Iron Lad, they could just use Iron Heart instead and not to spoil his origin, but I doubt he'd be included now unless they want to make Harley from Iron Man 3 the MCU's Iron Lad. As for Kid Vision AKA Jonas he could easily be added. Someone [Iron Heart or Lad maybe] just need to rebuilt Vision as a teen... uh, because  That all being said America Chavez is around too but this version might be too young for this Avengers team tho there's always the Champions with Ms. Marvel, which I also would love to see however we'd need a lot more new heroes introduced before that team could get off the ground, like Vision's daughter and Kid Nova... but I digress, I hope this show keeps me guessing and introducing more avenues for the MCU to grow. IDK about anyone else but I would love a future where we see the diversity of stories and genres that we find in comics to be available to tune in for in the MCU. This is why Phase 4 had been my favorite, so far. I loved seeing Chang-Shi and The Eternals doing their own things while the heroes were off messing about with whatever Tuesday apocalypse they're stuck in.
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Episode 3 was kinda "just OK". Hope they can improve on the next one... ▼Spoiler The frist trial was basically just "do you know your recipe ingredients and where to find them?" - meh...not here for a cooking show. The dark memories(?) were ok, but too easily overcome. Agatha herself was very disappointing. She felt more like a supporting character then the lead.
She also was all over the place, sometimes you think she knows exactly what's going on just to realize she doesn't have a clue.
Then she tries to leave the house and abandon the others...why? I mean they are already on the road. Apart from finishing the trials what other options does she have - hopefully they have a good explanation for what happened here... And the most important scene, with the baby crying and the book, was way too short...not enough time for a emotional rollercoaster. This scene should have been the center of the episode.
Shows that deserved more runtime:
Abbys | Dead Like Me | Devs | Firefly | Gangsta. | Jack of all Trades | Kevin (probably) saves the World | Lodge 49 | Mrs. Davis | NYC 22 | Powerless | Roadkill | Special Unit 2 | Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi | Stumptown | Surface | The Brave | The Company You Keep | The Crazy Ones | The Finder | The Middleman | Truth Seekers | Two Weeks to Live | Whiskey Cavalier
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I fully agree! 1x3 could have been a lot better. The episode could have been titled Agatha - An Asshole. 
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Thankfully Episode 04 was a whole lot better than EP03. Not as good as EP01, but still a good sign. ▼Spoiler Good thing they brought back Aubrey Plazas character Rio in this episode. I was worried we had to wait till they left The Road until we could see her again.
Her relationship with Agatha looks interesting enough and I am really curious about their past. Agathas behaviour in this episode was great, not too friendly but also nothing wildly irritating like in EP03. The song was good, as long as they sing only every other episode it's fine. But if "teen" turns out to be her son I will drop this show immediately - this wouldn't fit the story at all.
Rio already said he isn't, but who knows.
Shows that deserved more runtime:
Abbys | Dead Like Me | Devs | Firefly | Gangsta. | Jack of all Trades | Kevin (probably) saves the World | Lodge 49 | Mrs. Davis | NYC 22 | Powerless | Roadkill | Special Unit 2 | Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi | Stumptown | Surface | The Brave | The Company You Keep | The Crazy Ones | The Finder | The Middleman | Truth Seekers | Two Weeks to Live | Whiskey Cavalier
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Yes, the song was good, and what was revealed about the past was interesting, but when compared to 1x1, 1x4 was often boring IMHO.
14 Reply by TheFizza 2024-10-11 10:16:26 (edited by TheFizza 2024-10-11 10:18:31)
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Loving this series... It might end up in my top 5 MCU series because every Ep has been excellent, I love a vibes heavy character piece. I do hope we see Nick Scratch show up at some point, I was uber excited when they dropped his name him last ep. I was kind of worried they'd changed all that from the comics, I mean they did, he wasn't given to the Devil in the books though Aggie isn't a villain either... but I digress. I'm just excited to see what happens next!
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Pretty meh for me.
2020. Meh.
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Solid Episode 05. This is what a show is supposed to do, build up suspense.
I can't wait to find out more about the story behind the story. ▼Spoiler The flying though....looked horrible.
But when they crashlanded Aubrey Plaza gave a first-class witch-cackle  . The moment with her mother was way too short, should've been further explored.
Same with when Teen said "Nicholas Scratch" - I assume that's the name of her son, but the moment was just not used properly...don't know, something was just missing. I don't like "Teen" at all....I think the show could've worked much better without him.
Shows that deserved more runtime:
Abbys | Dead Like Me | Devs | Firefly | Gangsta. | Jack of all Trades | Kevin (probably) saves the World | Lodge 49 | Mrs. Davis | NYC 22 | Powerless | Roadkill | Special Unit 2 | Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi | Stumptown | Surface | The Brave | The Company You Keep | The Crazy Ones | The Finder | The Middleman | Truth Seekers | Two Weeks to Live | Whiskey Cavalier
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I agree with your criticism. I still like the show, but I don't love it.
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1x6. Wow... SO GOOD! I totally loved the first half or so... basically everything before Agatha showed up. ▼Spoiler Loved Evan Peters showing up with a small role. Weird and funny! Took me a minute to recognize him.
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lighton wrote:1x6. Wow... SO GOOD! I totally loved the first half or so... basically everything before Agatha showed up. ▼Spoiler Loved Evan Peters showing up with a small role. Weird and funny! Took me a minute to recognize him.
Well then, I got the exact opposite opinion ...couldn't care less for that backstory or that character alltogether...Agatha on the other hand was perfect .
Shows that deserved more runtime:
Abbys | Dead Like Me | Devs | Firefly | Gangsta. | Jack of all Trades | Kevin (probably) saves the World | Lodge 49 | Mrs. Davis | NYC 22 | Powerless | Roadkill | Special Unit 2 | Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi | Stumptown | Surface | The Brave | The Company You Keep | The Crazy Ones | The Finder | The Middleman | Truth Seekers | Two Weeks to Live | Whiskey Cavalier
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I couldn't care less about any of them! I still can't work out why they even bothered making this show, or why I watch it
2020. Meh.
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graybags wrote:I couldn't care less about any of them! I still can't work out why they even bothered making this show, or why I watch it
If I would think about it as part of the MCU, I would feel the same way as you. But if you consider it separate, it's pretty decent.
That's what I liked about the first few Marvel shows who only slightly touched the MCU, like Daredevil, Jessica Jones or The Punisher.
Shows that deserved more runtime:
Abbys | Dead Like Me | Devs | Firefly | Gangsta. | Jack of all Trades | Kevin (probably) saves the World | Lodge 49 | Mrs. Davis | NYC 22 | Powerless | Roadkill | Special Unit 2 | Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi | Stumptown | Surface | The Brave | The Company You Keep | The Crazy Ones | The Finder | The Middleman | Truth Seekers | Two Weeks to Live | Whiskey Cavalier
23 Reply by merc 2024-10-20 12:16:08 (edited by merc 2024-10-20 12:16:37)
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24 Reply by TheFizza 2024-10-25 04:00:23 (edited by TheFizza 2024-10-25 04:01:53)
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Wow... BEST Ep YET... It's fast becoming apparent, if they can pay this off, this series is gonna make it into my Top 5 MCU series along with Hawkeye and Loki
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I also enjoyed 1x7. My #2 episode so far.
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