The Last of Us 1x3 - gay couple discussion thread (Page 3 of 4)

So, no definition from you either? Just anger

Also, asking a question is not twisting words

Ok, so the woke agenda is a goverment (US?) program to destabilize other countries? It is used to conquer other countries and/or overthrow goverments? This is really, honestly the woke agenda?

And how does an episode of a drama show fit into the plan to overthrow Iranian goverment?

But the concept in my reply was correct? Goverment conspiracy?

Used by whom? Official goverment, elected by majority? Or are we talking about some shadowy forces?

How does this episode fit into the US gov’s agenda? What are they trying to do? To whom?

What is the mechanism that makes this work? Air episode with gay characters —> ??? —> Goverment power over it’s people / foreign nations. What goes into the middle to make things happen?

How did you mentioning alleged US and Israel involment show there is a woke agenda tied to ep3 and gays in entertainment in general? How are pride parades used to overthrow goverments? Where has that happened?

When did the US goverment start this woke agenda project? Some European countries consider homosexuality perfectly normal. Has the US project been used there decades ago to a great success? Why? To achieve what?

Is this woke agenda the same that lead to women’s suffrage and emancipation proclamation, just a new variation? How far into history does this go?

And lastly, do you have any concrete evidence on the woke agenda project?

So is that part of the woke agenda? Is the UK gov working with the US gov to push the agenda?

And the Nudge Theory is enough to make gays on TV overthrow goverments?

For me the ridiculous part about this Iran example is that apparently I care about women's rights there only because I've been brainwashed to do so by the woke TV shows and somehow it also helps the government to overthrow Iran because I care about it?

None of it makes sense, really.

And if you're this smart guy who sees through the woke propaganda, what do you do here? Call it out for trying to make you care about peoples rights, call your bigotry some sort of enlightened state of mind and think "that'll show them"?

Any documentation of a plan? Confirmed people involved; plans, executions, and outcomes we could verify? Anything more than ”It’s the leftists!”

Honestly, this is what all of you who cry ”woke agenda” truly believe? This global, centuries long, coordinated, secret effort to control people, by changing and elected goverments (because it can’t be ”the leftist” if the point is to prevent people ever rising against the goverment if they are not in charge)? This effort that that hasn’t led to a single thing, other than ofcourse freed the slaves and gave women the vote (these you see as bad things, it seems), but is the great threat we all face. THIS is more plausable to you than the idea that throughout history as humanity has evolved our sensibilities and morals have also evolved? As generations follow each other, the shared mindset changes. This thing that we have observed for thousands of years throughout recorded history, all irrelevant. Only plausable answer is a secret leftist plan.

This is what you think is going on? Honestly? And you think you are rational and not just trying to rationalize your own beliefs you realized most people no longer share?

Is 10% of the total runtime of the season enough to be considered a major part? I'd probably say yes.

With 9 episodes total, 1 entire episode dedicated to something that has virtually nothing to do with the rest of the storyline...

If it was an integral part of the story, I  wouldn't care.

If two of the characters just happen to be gay, it's no big deal but this seems like a blatant agenda insert for no other reason than pushing "The Message".

Likewise, if a show randomly inserted some heterosexual love story single episode that had noting to do with the main storyline I'd still complain, why is it there at all?

This makes me think Season 2 is going to be absolutely stunning and brave!

I've been lurking these forums for many years and never felt the need to post. But this...jeez.

I sincerely feel second-hand embarrassment for many people in this thread. INCREDIBLY CRINGE.

How can you be so dumb, careless and hurtful for such a banal reason? I'm a happily married 32 year old guy with a 2 year-old kid and don't go out of my way to watch gay stuff, but I honestly did not feel the need to whine about it and go on about this whole "woke" shit. I just fast-forwarded through the two scenes where they kissed and THAT'S IT. There's a fuck load of gay people out there and it's alright to be fucking supportive of other people. They just want to live their god damn lives like you and I, what gives you the right to berate and belittle other people like that?

Don't know - a handful of people here for whom I once had respect from a distance was just flushed down the drain.

But who was mean to gay people? I do not think i even mentioned them and i do not care much about gay people i am just against propaganda and brainwashing, and it surprises me that so many are not.

Especially since it seems many people actually admits there actually IS propaganda but they are fine with it just because they agree with the message. That is just odd reasoning to me.

Sure, you agree with this message but what if it was the other way around? What if every single tv show had some obligatory content telling everybody to hate gay people or something else you did not agree with. Would you be fine with that?

Propaganda is WRONG, no matter if we agree with the message or not.

Yes, oppressive regimes tend to have a thing for killing people that do not obey and fall in line. When you read about those Waco people you wonder what did they really do? Besides for alleged accusations of sexual abuse of children, which did not seem to be proven, the other accusations about drugs and guns seemed to be complete fabrications? I might be wrong i do not know all the details but at a glance i instantly wonder, what did these people really do for the government to join forces, attack them, kill them and burn their place down. Sure, they were wierd cultists but you are allowed to be a wierd cultist.

Anyway, i am not a cultist. I am just fed up with media propaganda and lies trying to tell me how to feel and think, i can decide that for myself thank you very much. We all can, and we all should. As i said, what if the propaganda starts going in directions you do not agree with, what then?

about time to end this thread?

That's kinda the thing though: What is and what isn't propaganda?

Is everything that reflects someone's worldview in some way automatically propaganda? Because if so, it is pretty much impossible to make anything that is not that. Or is it only when there happens to be too much of the same particular worldview around at the same time? In that case, what is the difference between propaganda and just something most people happen to agree on? Or is it only when a particular institution, or group of institutions, deliberately try to shift public opinion towards something that benefits them, but goes against public interest? In that case, who, specifically, do you think is doing it? As in, some actual names, please, and why.

See, that's the thing. You are describing what you don't like, in general, and that's fine. But you are not painting a clear picture of how things should be, as opposed to that, and how exactly this particular episode failed to meet that expectation.

What we have here is: an episode in a TV show that entirely revolves around the romance of two complete side characters. Also, those two characters happen to be gay men. How do we fix the premise here in order to no longer be "propaganda" (assuming we cannot just drop the entire episode entirely)?

Right now the impression most of us are getting is that the answer would be "make them not be gay"; which would mean their sexuality is the problem, which, yes, would be "mean to gay people". Please do clarify.

Additionally:

While not every one of us wanted or needed to see that episode, please keep in mind that there are a lot of people in this world who did. That includes, but is not limited to, many actual gay people who like to see examples of what romance could look like for them on TV, just as they get to see the straight version thereof. The makers of this show are simply selling a product here: the show.

Also, I am merely curious: which one do you think is worse, the current agenda allegedly being pushed, or the very much real Hays Code which was in use for several decades until the late 1960s?