126 (edited by g371 2022-08-16 20:56:44)

Re: Westworld

Tasviewer wrote:

It wasn't that bad, it wrapped it all up

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leaving us back at the start for 1 final chance but with Deloris knowing what she is at the start

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Yes, as I understood

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Dolores OS is running on some supercomputer and she can build a whole virtual world, and also has access to all hosts data and can run them there. And the "test" I assume is to run it for a while and see if hosts can behave in there. Meanwhile in the real world most of people killed each other - this aspect was not shown if they stopped controling humans or not. Plus a confusing line "sentient life on Earth has ended" - she meant just hosts, right? Since obviously some humans survived. Or they don't count as sentient anymore? big_smile

And that also means that no host characters actually are killed and in the next season they all can be back in virtual version.

127 (edited by g371 2022-08-16 21:07:31)

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50/50 will be S05

https://gizmodo.com/westworld-season-5- … 1849414483

Actually this show also can end here, I don't see it as a cliffhanger - all started with humans exploiting hosts, then turned out that hosts are even worse than humans and there is no perfect world. Score settled, can move on. S05 most likely will be something super entangled - they can make it if after all the drama Pinkman pulls the plug, that's how I would end it smile

128 (edited by paisley1 2022-08-17 05:44:31)

Re: Westworld

g371 wrote:
Tasviewer wrote:

It wasn't that bad, it wrapped it all up

Spoiler

leaving us back at the start for 1 final chance but with Deloris knowing what she is at the start

.

Yes, as I understood

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Dolores OS is running on some supercomputer and she can build a whole virtual world, and also has access to all hosts data and can run them there. And the "test" I assume is to run it for a while and see if hosts can behave in there. Meanwhile in the real world most of people killed each other - this aspect was not shown if they stopped controling humans or not. Plus a confusing line "sentient life on Earth has ended" - she meant just hosts, right? Since obviously some humans survived. Or they don't count as sentient anymore? big_smile

And that also means that no host characters actually are killed and in the next season they all can be back in virtual version.

That's what I understood, but it's still vague and didn't really provide much clarity.  I found the scope of the episode was off as it all just felt like a little simulation running in a little corner of downtown Manhattan, as the events weren't planet wide enough, with too few shots of what was going on everywhere, like, at least on BSG when the Cylon's attacked they panned the camera back and showed the nukes on Caprica wiping out all life on the planet, the scope was very real, and you understood it, here, it just didn't land.

I also didn't care enough about Dolores this season, to make the ending (that hinges on Dolores) have any impact. 

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Like, ho hum, turns out, she's a puppet master to all life on earth, like Robert Ford was to her.

  It's a bit on the nose. 

I'd prefer to start the next season with Dr. Robert Ford sometime in the past, where he's preconceiving his plan to destroy all life on earth that Hale, Dolores, and William simply followed (his maze), and since he controls the robots and they can't escape their programming, and since he couldn't find a way to make the world a better place, as people weren't willing to change for the better, he offers up one last violent end to the violent delights, in the hope of creating something better through Dolores.  It would get an audience to care about a psychopathic character's struggle with keeping or destroying all life, but I suppose flashbacks are a bit old fashioned and outdated these days on TV, as well as the premise of empathizing with the anti-hero.

That quote from Romeo And Juliet:

                       "These violent delights have violent ends,
                        And in their triumph die like fire and powder,
                        Which as they kiss consume. The sweetest honey
                        Is loathsome in his own deliciousness,
                        And in the taste confounds the appetite.
                        Therefore love moderately, long love doth so;
                        Too swift arrives as tardy as too slow."

is about moderation, and since Westworld is a world of violent delights it's a dumb spring board for life, which makes everything that comes after it, just as dumb. lol lolz.  It's my own fault for watching.

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paisley1 wrote:

she's a puppet master

Actually

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Hale was the puppet master and Dolores was used as puppet to control the rest of the puppets. They managed to break out of the Westworld because their AI code "mutated" - like self-generated a new functionality, but not the same for everybody, so Dolores got the "controlling" superpower which Hale exploited to make a human zoo smile Then Dolores became self aware that she is running things and then Bernard convinced Hale to stop puppeteering Dolores and now Dolores is in full control of all since Hale committed a suicide.

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paisley1 wrote:

felt like a little simulation running in a little corner of downtown Manhattan

Yes, here they cut the corners on the budget or it's implied that by now (decades in the future) it's all there is left from the civilization - a couple millions in the city plus some rogue individuals in a desert near by.

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I'm not a fan of...

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killing the human race...

but other than that, this was an awesome season! smile

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lighton wrote:

I'm not a fan of...

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killing the human race...

but other than that, this was an awesome season! smile

We obviously have very different definitions of the word "awesome" smile

2020.  Meh.

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So, reading all these thoughts on S4, I get the sense that no one has a clue either big_smile
It was just far too convoluted to understand.

Season 1 and 2 were great.  I lost it after that.

DRM "manages access" in the same way that Prison "manages freedom".
http://xkcd.com/488/

134 (edited by paisley1 2022-08-18 00:45:45)

Re: Westworld

g371 wrote:
paisley1 wrote:

she's a puppet master

Actually

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Hale was the puppet master and Dolores was used as puppet to control the rest of the puppets. They managed to break out of the Westworld because their AI code "mutated" - like self-generated a new functionality, but not the same for everybody, so Dolores got the "controlling" superpower which Hale exploited to make a human zoo smile Then Dolores became self aware that she is running things and then Bernard convinced Hale to stop puppeteering Dolores and now Dolores is in full control of all since Hale committed a suicide.

I was referring to the end result of 408...

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...where Dolores becomes the puppet master for season 5 (yes, just like Hale and William were throughout season 4 even the end of season 3.)  The "ho hum" is what's important in my sentence, it's that the highest their programming allows them to aspire is to mimmick the great puppet master Robert Ford, as he is the foundation on which they were made, so it's all just a little bit of history repeated....ho hum....it's not anything new or interesting or compelling or subversive in any way, as I'd expect something different, not more of the same.  At least HBO did a great job with the end of this season of Succession (leaving all the kids out of the will) and with Barry (Fonze entrapping him with the cops), Westworld was just so bland for a tent pole, by comparison.

@Wizard, the end was very muddy, and could've been fleshed out way more, but for as much as it was vague and convoluted, the end result was too 'on the nose' to be compelling.

Collider had a good take on it:  https://collider.com/westworld-season-4 … explained/

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paisley1 wrote:

Collider had a good take on it:  https://collider.com/westworld-season-4 … explained/

Pretty much how I understood it - and also don't see anything complex here, a completely normal phenomena, hosts are nothing more than a software + data.

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Was into the first few episodes of S4 but for the last 2 or so I sort of followed it but really just could not be arsed with the deep metaphysical thinking all the robo-bollocks seems to require of the viewer. Didn't really know WFT was going on half the time and couldnt be arsed puzzling my thinker to the extent required to ask questions of it (so many questions...) so instead just perved at Evan Rachel Wood for the hour. What a spunk. She can run my world.

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Damn! I was looking forward to that last season. sad

At least there's https://next-episode.net/the-peripheral to watch.

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lighton wrote:

Damn! I was looking forward to that last season. sad

At least there's https://next-episode.net/the-peripheral to watch.

Well I guess that answers my question lol...

And BTW, The Peripheral is a keeper. I was sold on the first episode! smile

https://next-episode.net/img/ne-link.png
https://next-episode.net/sig/sig.php?alias=default&kk=9c3d70de238ebfb2f7ddda60d4ab6e5e
https://signavatar.com/40753_v.gif
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Bugger, I should be used to shows I like never getting a proper ending sad

140 (edited by paisley1 2022-11-05 04:24:21)

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Didn't realize Westworld was cancelled, but makes a ton of sense though with such a muddy and repetitive season 4 ending, also being way too expensive for it's tiny audience.  A movie would be a better way to wrap the story anyway...or video game.

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paisley1 wrote:

Didn't realize Westworld was cancelled, but makes a ton of sense though with such a muddy and repetitive season 4 ending, also being way too expensive for it's tiny audience.  A movie would be a better way to wrap the story anyway...or video game.

I would like a movie like that... smile