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So that was the finale.

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Jumping after Stargirl from that not-that-high tower to save her was soooo unrealistic! sad And taking obviously cold cookies out of the cold oven with oven mitts? Really? And sitting down a huge flying robot on the top of a water cooler!? REALLY? (/rant) cool

I'm pretty sure at this point that I'll not watch another season. The show's just too family-friendly for my taste.

More spoilers:

Stargirl Season 1 Ending Explained
https://screenrant.com/stargirl-season- … explained/

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lighton wrote:

So that was the finale.

Spoiler

Jumping after Stargirl from that not-that-high tower to save her was soooo unrealistic! sad And taking obviously cold cookies out of the cold oven with oven mitts? Really? And sitting down a huge flying robot on the top of a water cooler!? REALLY? (/rant) cool

I'm pretty sure at this point that I'll not watch another season. The show's just too family-friendly for my taste.

You are nit-picking.

didnt you ever read any comics?  clearly not. comics are like that? the whole super-hero thing is totally unreal. I suppose  you think the same of all the DC universe/Marvel output? All the Arrow-verse stuff, Superman/Wonder Woman/Avengers/Thor /Batman etc

I did say at the start that Johns said it was a family show, dedicated to his sister who died long time ago in a plane crash.  You may have noticed her again in the final picture board scene. I suspect season 2 will be less that way as Stargirls family story & her origins has now been told. Johns has got it off his chest with the end dedication

I think it was a very well designed show with no flab & well focused, & Courtney played by Brec Bassinger is a real darling. I hope they stick to the 13 eps formula

it has/had so many fun characters like Sportmaster and Cyndi/Shiv and the Gambler with their quips & dialogue all well written & acted

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( his  "What!" in the final eps when his bank accounts was being hacked was great  laugh or the one time we see dragon kings real face and Courtney and Yolanda's response or the eps where Cyndi visits Courtney after their first fight, Courtney knowing who Cyndi is ( but not the other way around it seems), is uncomfortable , lounges on her bed eating all the chocs rejecting the half eaten ones she dont like, leaving them for Courtney, then leaves and as an after thought says that she likes Courtneys staff, clearly thus knowing full well that Courtney is Stargirl and her mask is silly,  eyeballs her and says she is going to kill all her friends then come back for her)

The show is surly to be congratulated in (&  in future) bringing  to live action so many old comic book characters ( I have never heard of) - Batman/Superman/The flash are really old  hat? I have seen enough Superman iterations to last me. So it is breaking new ground

The url in your spoiler is a good one to explain who they are. The show has been brilliant at teasing and making you wonder whats next

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merc_1 wrote:

didnt you ever read any comics?  clearly not. comics are like that? the whole super-hero thing is totally unreal. I suppose  you think the same of all the DC universe/Marvel output? All the Arrow-verse stuff, Superman/Wonder Woman/Avengers/Thor /Batman etc

Nobody said anything about the show being generally "unrealistic". Please stop understanding the things people say that way.

Suspension of disbelief is a thing. Some scenes just bother people because they are too far off for someone's personal taste.

The timing with the clocktower scene was off. I noticed that too. It was not very high and falling down should not take more than a second or two, which would have made the timing we saw very unlikely. Who cares, though.


merc_1 wrote:

You are nit-picking.

Well... duh? Personally, I read that as the self-ironic type of nit-picking. No idea how you understood it.



lighton wrote:

I'm pretty sure at this point that I'll not watch another season. The show's just too family-friendly for my taste.

I'd definitely say this was one of the better superhero adaptions. The fact that it was made in the same spirit as its source material will most likely have helped here. Will definitely keep watching.

It is true that this show has a very family-friendly attitude, though. It's just that that does not have to be a bad thing.

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merc_1 wrote:

omg. if you  are bothered by watch tower falling times why aint you bothered by eg the way that courtney sits on the staff as it flies around and does acrobatics- impossible without falling off? or the gymnastics that require wires or the impossible amount of stamina or energy of  these people or their  capacity to take blows yet still go back for more? or any number of other details. its a slippery slope  once you go down that path.

Like some_one said, "Suspension of disbelief is a thing" - I can overlook stuff to a certain degree, but there's a limit (and it's different for different people). Other superhero shows like https://next-episode.net/marvels-jessica-jones or https://next-episode.net/marvels-agents-of-s.h.i.e.l.d. came with a heavy load of superpowers but had a higher level of consistency. Superhero shows? Yes, please! But at least make suspension of disbelief easy enough.

And yes, back when you said that "Geoff Johns recommends the show as something the whole family should watch together", I should have stopped watching right away. cool

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well Agents of Shield isnt comic book sourced? Its just a spin off of a Marvel film series but they  have their own dubious features if you look, esp the Avengers movies that credit the heroes with fantastical feats of acrobatics?

I bet one matter that Agents is guilty of as they all are is the matter of reaction time-  the proverbial you see some thing, eg an egg,  fall off a table but cant do any thing about it until it has smashed on the floor. 

Any way I am able to enjoy any of these for what they are and dont expect to apply the same criteria to them all. Calling it degrees of suspension of belief (and stargirl requires too much) is wrong, its about different criteria. The thing about the  watch tower was Yolanda as Wildcat able to land on her feet and she did with a thud. ( you could criticize  that event,  that since she leapt after courtney  she wouldnt be able to catch her up as courtney not a  feather  fluttering  down and  courtney would hit the ground first? but thats irrelevant.)

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merc_1 wrote:

( you could criticize  that event,  that since she leapt after courtney  she wouldnt be able to catch her up as courtney not a  feather  fluttering  down and  courtney would hit the ground first? but thats irrelevant.)

But this is exactly what is being criticised here, at least as far as I understand it?

Nobody accuses the show of being too out there. If it was previously established that something is possible, suspension of disbelief kicks in. Impact dampening was established as a feature of the suit, so it's fine. Only the timing felt (and was) off.

The thing lighton accuses the show as a whole of is being too family friendly, on which we can agree to disagree.


Again: That scene? Not good. The show? Good.

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I still dont understand your criticism of the timing of the fall from the clock tower. Are you saying it was too short or too long? It seemed to me to be some kind of pseudo SLOW MOTION effect, taking about 4-5 seconds,  so in real time maybe 2+? ( reminded me  what you get if you add lots more frames to a video then play back as normal, time is slowed down or stretched, you can see that from how the staff slowly tumbles)

I came across this Youtube video that  explains the StarGirl story from the comic books Stars & Stripe with images  taken from the comic.  The voice is a bit monotonous but it is interesting to see the similarities and departures with the live action version. The comic book version seems like a bit of a brat at the start

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRQo5GmN4Rs

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merc_1 wrote:

Are you saying it was too short or too long?

Falling that distance takes about 2-3 seconds. Jumping after her a second later would mean she is unlikely to catch up before anyone hits ground. That's all there is to this.

Not sure it is impossible, it just felt that way to us; but who cares.

I think it is time to stop discussing this now.

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by the way  you can see the same time stretch effect used in the clock tower scene in eps 11 The shining Knight,at the end, when Courtney rediscovers her  belief in her self  in front of her parents in the basement and the staff comes to life again.

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some_one wrote:

Falling that distance takes about 2-3 seconds. Jumping after her a second later would mean she is unlikely to catch up before anyone hits ground.

Yes, and not even unlikely, but physically impossible. smile When you jump from an airplane, you can use your body as an air brake or to speed up, just by changing your posture. But that takes time. When you're only falling from a tower that doesn't work.

some_one wrote:

I think it is time to stop discussing this now.

Yes, good idea. smile

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The only bit of the show I didnt  like was esp 11 Shining Knight the scene when Sam Kurtis having got the pendant was  walking away and Pat caught him up and  he made the crude remarks about Barbara. There was no need to ram home that he was a good for nothing .That scene was unnecessary as we had already  grasped that he was only there to get the locket , when after Courtney had given him it he immediately set off back where he came from rather than staying around to get to know Courtney & she realised that he didn't care a damn about her. That was a painful scene and didn't need the later one.

from the url Lighton gave us it was intended to show some time  in August 2019 and presumably finish in time for Xmas , as the last eps indicates. I wonder why it was delayed?

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merc_1 wrote:

The only bit of the show I didnt  like was esp 11 Shining Knight the scene when Sam Kurtis having got the pendant was  walking away and Pat caught him up and  he made the crude remarks about Barbara. There was no need to ram home that he was a good for nothing .That scene was unnecessary as we had already  grasped that he was only there to get the locket

I felt that scene was included to make it extra, extra obvious even to younger children watching that he's an idiot, children who then would maybe even say out loud "What a dick!", only to be cautioned by their parents (sitting next to them) "Honey, we don't say that word in our home! He's a douchebag!"

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one of the issues they had to solve with this show was how on earth a bunch of kids could defeat the ISA when as we all saw at the start the experienced and full compliment of the JSA couldnt. In fact Pat does mention this matter  when Courtney suggests a new JSA.

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The shows soln was rather good & effective- partly Dr Midnights goggles which even a kid can use and that the ISA hated one another and had a tendency to kill one another eg Icicle and Wizard, The gym brats and Fiddler and Shiva and her dad.  The last two happened at crucial moments? Had the fiddler pacified Courtney and family, had Dragon King not been killed by his daughter? The loss of Wizard and the fiddler seriously depleted the ISA's resources.  Had none of these  killing happened things might, probably, would  have been different. That the ISA lost  was mainly their own fault.

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One of my favourite scenes was the fight between Pat and Crusher in eps 12 - Crushers bouncing the baseball bat behind him was real- Crusher is a real head job I hope we will see him again as he gets some really good lines and acts them well

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Admin Edit: Keep politics out of this please.

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Season 2 trailer and info  ( Coming Tuesday, August 10)


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seems like Stargirl has been renewed for a 3rd season even before the 2nd has started

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season 1 . The Shining Knight's horse. The original script had his horse locked away in a cell next to Cyndi's but the budget wouldnt accomodate that - the horse had wings so would  have been cgi. This loss weakens The Shining Knights character I think as he comes across as a nut job living in a fantasy world, and the winged horse would have proven his story?

Stripe. The cockpit that Pat climbs into is completley separate no where near the robot which is actually real ( in the garage) & 16 foot tall. I thought it was 100% cgi

The scene after the first JSA fight where Courtney complains to Pat that the team were going to get themselves killed  was improvised and was so good that it was kept in the fnal cut

( confirmed by Brec Bassinger herself in conversation)