MCU show discussion thread

The Punisher was my favorite 'superhero'...

Sadly, yes, it seems so...

I honestly didn't think the Netflix Avengers were the best representation of 'how good Superhero TV can be' but really the only ones of that bunch I enjoyed were Luke Cage, the last season of Daredevil as well as The Defenders mini-series... and while I watched all of Iron Fist I think they did Danny dirty.

Before WandaVision and F&WS, in my opinion, the BEST (maybe but who knows what's cannon anymore) MCU related shows were Marvel's Cloak & Dagger, Marvel's Agent Carter and Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. However I wouldn't call any of those Superhero TV, per se.

That being as it is I would say that The Falcon & the Winter Soldier is best representation of how good Superhero TV can be! And if they have learned something from this series I hope they can do something fun with that knowledge like give us a Heroes for Hire series. I wouldn't mind if they just dropped all the cliffhangers from Netflix and just got Danny, Luke, Mistry and whoever else they can to give us a fun Disney series.

To TheFizza, I enjoy the energy you bring to the forums, very upbeat and colorful.  Also, my apologies, totally thought you were being sarcastic, and in my defense, you did use the tongue out emoji on the other forum, which often denotes joking and sarcasm. 

"Movie? Best representation of how good super hero TV can be?"  If not sarcasm that's a very rose colored perspective, to put it mildly.    The Falcon and the Winter soldier is a gonger, and with 6 episodes, it's not a TV show, it's barely a mini-series; more like a transitional interlude.  Wandavision had a finale that was movie caliber though.  They'll come out with better shows.  Let's circle back to this conversation with Loki.

(Just trying to bring this forum back on topic because the admins might want us to start a separate Super Hero Forum if we get too far away from Wandavision.)

I don't have a problem with the TV shows acting as prequels for the movies per se, just feel that the two Disney shows so far released have compromised the integrity of their own stories too much in order to sprinkle easter eggs and to set up the starting points of phase IV.

They have felt to me too much like exended trailers for the movies rather than stories in their own right.

I loved Daredevil 1 & 3, 2 had some great set pieces but the plot was a bit too splintered & derivative for my liking. Jessica Jones 1 & 2 were similarly good, but 3 was disappointing. Luke Cage I quite liked, and it was just starting to get to a really interesting place plot wise when Marvel pulled the plug. Punisher 1 was brilliant, 2 was compromised and rushed by the imminent ending of the Netflix deal. Iron Fist was flawed, casting of the lead didn't work for me & the fight choreography was poor throughout... a bit of a drawback for a martial-arts based series! Defenders was just forgettable, not enough plot for too many characters.

I had some issues with Runaways, partiality because of how drastically it veered from the Eisner & Harvey Award wining books, not to mention the casting wasn't great either but all-in-all it wasn't a bad TV series. However if you haven't read the books by Brian K. Vaughan I highly recommend them!

On the other hand the Cloak & Dagger series was GREAT! I thought the changes made to them for the TV series really worked so much better than runways kidnaped for use testing synthetic heroin, like in the comics. But aside from that it also had so much fantastic social satire and excellent character development that it felt like a comic book come to life... though not in the same was series like LEGION or Deadly Class did but all the elements were still there plus the pair had the much more interesting origin in the FREEFORM series.

Cloak & Dagger was all over the place. I did like that they pulled in Roxxon rather than the drug stuff but all the voodoo stuff just felt tacked on. Mostly it was just boring, though I'm glad someone really liked it.

I had typed out a bit about how I hated Legion more than anything in recent memory but then deleted so as not to derail the new MCU thread that had to be made because of the derailed Wandavision thread

Obviously I patently disagree, I felt it was one of the few MARVEL series with a true focus right out the gate. It stayed on course, peppered the story with great comic book connections or Easter Eggs like having Roxxon be involved as well as added very interesting aspects to the C&D mythos.

Clearly we look for different things from these types of series as I would say LEGION might just be one of the most brilliant TV series ever produced, not to mention that when I was watching an episode it felt more like I was reading an actual comic book than any other type of adaption I'd ever seen (even motion comics).

Ah... well, you see that was something I rather enjoyed about it. As a matter of fact that kind of thing is why I enjoy reading comic books. They are more than just action/adventure stories, there is drama and character development something Cloak & Dagger really did an excellent job tapping into.

I'm also one for the Trek episodes in which conversation is how they resolve issues (make of that what you will).