Topic: 7x23 Moving On

Well, that's one way to explain Cuddy's absence next season (Lisa Edelstein didn't renew her contract). I understand that next season will probably be the show's last, but still: WTF? This is some serious amount of shark jumpage.

I am all for extreme measures taken by characters, no matter how misguided -

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and jealously driving your car into your ex'es home full of guests and a small child (!) definitely counts as misguided

- but I need to have a sense that it is all part of a consistent character arc. It seems to me that for a few seasons now House has suffered from the writers' inability to provide any serious growth for the character - after all they can't change Dr. Crankypants, because him and his antics are the reasons why people tune it - yet felt like his actions weren't "out there" enough (or they covered most of the "medium crazy stuff") and decided to turn the notch to 12.

At this point I fail to find any redeeming qualities for House as a human being. His acting out is fine if there is at least a sliver of hope that deep down he is either a decent human being or his actions are motivated by a twisted, yet strangely logical reason. This season was missing the logical part and has proven beyond any doubt that House isn't a decent human being. The finale needed him coming out of the darkness the breakup with Cuddy left him in, the way last episode's end seemed to suggest, not go deeper ...

I am seriously considering not watching season eight come fall. And that is a big deal since other than Doctor Who and The Good Wife there are no shows I was looking forward to more any given week sad

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meh

that pretty much explains my feelings about everything that happen and the show in general

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loved it... laughed my arse off at the end. imho this has been the funniest season in while...

what doesn't kill you - hurts even more...

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Hr. Ulottuvuus wrote:

loved it... laughed my arse off at the end. imho this has been the funniest season in while...

That's the point! House was not supposed to be funny. House was supposed to be serious with funny moments. House, being based on Holmes, is supposed to be an anti-hero/hero, his arc may point toward the absurdity of life, but this was a bit to far. I love cruel quirky characters, hey, I like Doctor Who, and the Doctor is very much an anti hero who never really grows (the companions grow, the doctor is way past the Hero arc, he's already Yoda), anyway, for some seasons, that's what House was, the genious wrecking ballthat forced the other characters to grow a lot faster than he does. But even Conan Doyle made his genious wrecking ball at least stop with the cocaine, or snoff as they called it in victorian England. This  semi-murdurous House of the last scene is going to require a LOT of explanation next season. But then again, at least explains Lisa Edelstein's future absence.

Has this been a series finale, House going overboard and turning criminal could actually be justified. Would be a nerve busting finale, but would be "in character", breaking once and for all any hope of redemption and proving all those hopeful expectators wrong about House's "goodness". As a season finale, kind of pisses me of.

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marco1475 wrote:

I am all for extreme measures taken by characters, no matter how misguided -

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and jealously driving your car into your ex'es home full of guests and a small child (!) definitely counts as misguided

Rachel wasn't there though, it was heavily hinted at the foreshadowing part of the episode in the beginning. House might have known about this if Cuddy's mother regularly looks after her. Also House saw the dinner table and he's a smart guy so can easily deduce looking at the plates if Rachel is present.

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marco1475 wrote:

Well, that's one way to explain Cuddy's absence next season

herusardo wrote:

But then again, at least explains Lisa Edelstein's future absence.

I don't see how.  She needs to take an entire season off to fix her house? She's very clear in her intention to stay in the opening scenes of the episode - "...if Greg House steps foot in my hospital again...".

Another possibility might be the next season being set somewhere other than PPH, but as we  know that the other actors have all signed, it's still going to be a stretch to explain them all working together to solve cases.  Perhaps in the next season, House will be consulting with the team from prison wink

Obviously the writers are going to have to write some kind of explanation to tie it all together and explain Cuddy's absence, and this is clearly a strong dramatic point and they might well want to tie her departure into it, but as the episode was left I don't see any in-show reason at all to expect Cuddy to be gone - if anything a far more logical conclusion would be to expect House to be gone!

Put it this way: if you didn't already know that Lisa Edelstein didn't sign for another season, what in the season finale would lead you to conclude Cuddy wouldn't be there "next episode"?

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Disapointed! Yes the season has been very good over all but this season finale was poor. It started out good got me wondering what House had done. I thought he killed someone or something similarily dramatic. No he just ran in to Cuddys House >_>

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any chances lisa edelstein will gueststar at the beginning of next season?

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Probably.

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Kal wrote:

Put it this way: if you didn't already know that Lisa Edelstein didn't sign for another season, what in the season finale would lead you to conclude Cuddy wouldn't be there "next episode"?

That is a good point, but it works both ways: If you didn't know the rest of the cast signed new contracts, why would you assume next season wouldn't be completely House MD in Jamaica (or wherever the hell he was)? Based on the episode's events alone he's not coming back to America ever again smile

You assume he's coming back to - as you pointed out - Cuddy's hospital, because you know the remaining cast members will be present next season. I am assuming that he either won't be working at PPH or if he will, Cuddy won't be running it. (The reason why is only bounded by your and the writers' imagination - for example, House gets off with a warning because of a good lawyer / his mental state / anything else and comes back to work and Cuddy, unable to tolerate working with somebody who tried to kill her, quits her job and moves away.)

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marco1475 wrote:

I am all for extreme measures taken by characters, no matter how misguided -

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and jealously driving your car into your ex'es home full of guests and a small child (!) definitely counts as misguided

Rachel wasn't there though, it was heavily hinted at the foreshadowing part of the episode in the beginning. House might have known about this if Cuddy's mother regularly looks after her. Also House saw the dinner table and he's a smart guy so can easily deduce looking at the plates if Rachel is present.

I am sorry, I don't buy that. That is a justification for his actions, just like David Shore (the executive producer) claiming that House saw Cuddy and her guests were leaving the dining room and hence knew he wouldn't kill anybody. The point is he couldn't have known - not from the plates on the table or some regular, yet easily disruptible schedule - that he would "just" damage the house and not kill Cuddy or any of her guests or Cuddy's daughter.

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Okay granted the plot of this episode, has at least one gaping hole. But I do think that the episode makes a good effort of setting up House's future personal growth. Which is what I expects we will see in the next season.

Imo the gaping plot hole is the following: (Someone is more than welcome to put in the spoiler thingie, as I can't figure that one out) It is impossible to rationally explain, that House knew he wouldn't hit anyone whilst crashing into the dining room off Cuddy´s house. At least two People was seated, when he left the lawn.

But if I should try to explain his motivation, I would say that he had now freaking idea, about what he was going to do when he drove away. And that what he did, was spur of the moment thing, and that thus opens the possibility off explaining it by him being momentarily insane.

This train of thought could be supported by an argument, off him having some kind of mental break down, brought on by extreme emotional stress combined with drug use. ( Not a good combination.)
And this mental break culminating in the moment where he crashes, giving the writers the option of letting him start the next season freshly as a more normal / reset person.

As to how this season finale should explain why Cuddy, isn't returning next season, I have no idea! so let's just sit back forget we know, and lets be pleasantly/unpleasantly surprised next season. (Depending on ones preferences.)

The fact that she isn't returning might be what the writers need, to give the House character the possibility of evolving.

That was what I had to add this late night. Will re read and edit, whilst not so fucking tired.

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Brightning wrote:

But I do think that the episode makes a good effort of setting up House's future personal growth. Which is what I expects we will see in the next season.

My problem would be with the phrase "setting up" his personal growth. It seems to me - and admittedly I might be just bitter - that the writers are setting up House's personal growth with every shocking and outrageous season finale. However, the growth itself never happens, only we get more and more insane situations that House creates. At the beginning of each new season House is exactly where he was before, unchanged. And even if maybe the "complex inner life" of the character has changed, the writers don't show it through his actions ...

The closest the show came to changing his character was having him in the mental hospital and those were some of the best episodes the show had. Even the Huddy relationship was good while it lasted, because he was a changed man. But then they had to go ahead and kill it for a completely pants-on-head retarded reason only to "reset" the character back to his mean, drug-addicted self and to top it all off they make this version completely psychotic and homicidal.

Can't say I like what they've done with him. First they create this likable version that is genuinely trying to be a better man, something we can all root for, then they decide to destroy him because his old self was more "fun" (read: brought in bigger ratings) and then they destroy even the last recognizable piece of him (his logic) anyway.

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I enjoyed the episode very much. Okay, so there were some rather crappy episodes in the season, but it had its moments that more than made up for it, so I can overlook them. Specifically I rather liked House more post-break up with Cuddy, because he was just so crazy I laughed my ass off smile

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Same, overall it was a good Season. It was less standard cookiecutter House episodes than most other seasons.

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marco1475 wrote:

That is a good point, but it works both ways: If you didn't know the rest of the cast signed new contracts, why would you assume next season wouldn't be completely House MD in Jamaica...

I didn't?

Kal wrote:

Another possibility might be the next season being set somewhere other than PPH, but as we  know that the other actors have all signed, it's still going to be a stretch to explain them all working together to solve cases.  Perhaps in the next season, House will be consulting with the team from prison wink

I went with "prison" rather than "Jamaica", but the point is that it would have to be "somewhere that isn't PPH".

Who knows, maybe none of it really happened and it was all a Vicodin-induced hallucination wink