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I just saw this on another site... It appears there already was a show "The Newsroom" which ran from 1996 to 2005 in Canada...

Originally on: CBC, Mondays at 08:30 PM (30 min.) | Premiered: October 21, 1996 | Ended: March 28, 2005

I see 2 Seasons so far...

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I like stuff like this for its meta-influence on the general population and their increasing alignment with wanting the actual truth/facts. Social media certainly plays a big role too...it's just that shows like this are the early symptoms of change in the world at large...
...or at least that's what I like to believe.

I would like to believe that too. Did you feel the same way about The West Wing? I did. It ran from 1999 - 2006 and other than predicting the 2008 presidential election with eerie precision it didn't really have any influence on the "general population." (Let's not credit Obama's victory to The West Wing, there just aren't arguments to support that.) What did change - after Sorkin's drug-related departure and throughout George W. Bush's reign - was the show got less liberal and more centrist to appeal to a wider audience.

And The West Wing aired on NBC, a publicly and freely available network, during the network's ratings heyday, i.e. before it became the pale shadow of its former self and the weakest of the Big Four networks ratings-wise. The West Wing had an average of 13 million viewers per season with a peak of 17 million in seasons two and three. [0] The Newsroom airs on HBO, a paid subscription cable network with 29 million total subscribers. The first episode was watched by 2.1 million viewers, the second by 1.7 million, and the third by 2.2 million viewers. [1]

Admittedly HBO's ratings are compound ratings, i.e. they add up all the ratings over the multiple showings of each episode they do in the course of a week, so the actual audience numbers are probably (substantially) bigger. Nevertheless, almost half of all HBO subscribers would have to watch The Newsroom to come close to The West Wing's ratings on NBC (almost a third to equal The West Wing's worst season seven, ratings-wise that is) and that just isn't going to happen.

So while I'd love for The Newsroom to meta-influence the general public to demand better news, it is a statistical improbability. If The West Wing with it's much bigger audience on a public network didn't manage to pull that off, a much smaller show on an exclusive paid subscription network doesn't stand a chance. You could argue that HBO subscribers are more influential (because they can afford HBO, i.e. are relatively wealthy), but for changes like this you need the "populus" to cry out for change, not a few East Coast elitists  sad

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Your statistical analysis is more linear than my interpretation.

Also, I haven't watched The West Wing.

Also, to me, the meta-influence isn't measured by actual change at this point, necessarily...it is evident in the disillusioned apathy of many folks who have awakened to the awful truth of things.
I view it as a process...typically marked by a surge of inspiration that is so quickly followed by disillusionment that we don't actually see any fruits of the initial inspiration. Next comes the process of maturation(the stage of apathy, further disillusionment, the development of realistic ideals which do not expect swift change as in The Newsroom, etc.). Finally, with maturity (which may come long after the show itself has been canceled), folks become committed to living with their own brand of systemic integrity which isn't necessarily credited to the tv show itself in the end. Their vote isn't necessarily more to the left or the right or the center, it is just thoughtful. They don't necessarily go out protesting en masse, but they practice what values they hold with greater depth than before.

The meta-influence is on the overall awareness of the populace...the necessary ingredient for change. Change itself is a whole other thing.

-Rob

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Well I was born in 88 so I have no view on the News from the 80's and I'm trying to based my opinion on this issue from my own views rather than a third party. I'm not doubting News might of been better back than. I just know it was better in the nineties than it is now.

Also for most of my life I've only known US News having grown up in Michigan all my life and never being outside of the country. It's only been in the last two years were I've found sites that broadcast the BBC One and Russia Today online that I've seen news feeds in other countries. I'm deeply sadden that the News I've seen in other counties puts mine to shame.

I'm pretty sure that this type of news program could work in other countries and the fact that I'm pretty sure it would fail here is one of the reason's why the speech at the beginning of the Pilot was so true about America. We used to be the greatest country in the world. Today we'd be lucky to be considered in any ones top five.

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I think this (Ep 04) is when this show is at its best, when there is a crisis they need to report on quickly. These are the parts that leave me breathless and looking forward to next week.

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Loved the last episode!

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I guess I'm missing something because I thought episode four was the weakest one. I failed to see the point in the big foot storyline because being a way to convenient excuse for them being at work when the shooting happens.

Between the two different love story-lines going on Will and his producer is by far the most annoying.

I like the show just really did not care for this episode.

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Yeah, it was a weak episode...99% romance drama, and 1% story.

-Rob

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Well, pretty much all the critics who screened all four episodes said that the show was getting worse by the episode. Unfortunately, since all the episodes were written and shot before the pilot aired, anything that we find annoying now will stay annoying until the second season (when the writers can react to the audience reaction).

Also the romance is Sorkin's known Achilles heel. He is always getting over a bad break up in his writing (possibly over the same one in each of his shows) and it was the same in Studio 60 on Sunset Strip. I don't mind, even though the romance stories are a bit trite, idolizing "man hurt."

When the show is good, it's great and that helps me get over the parts that aren't smile

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I just expected more being on HBO...
...but then, I haven't watched everything on HBO...just the stuff that I have seen on HBO has been way more story driven...

...this is more romance driven over a setting of stories which tend to fade far into the background...

Even the premise is a bit romantic in a sense...redesigning the news so that it reports the news...nostalgic and contemporary in a hopeless-romantic sort of way...

-Rob

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Not being a Sorkin afficionados, don't care about what the critics say since too many times anyway, critics were stupid idiots who can manage to find spiritual enlightment in stuff like "The Real Housewifes" and horrible things like that.

I enjoy the show in its whole even though some personal conversations between some characters would never EVER happen in real life.

Pilot was a big bang and had to be being the pilot but I liked the other episodes. I'm not analysing too much out of it, simply enjoying.

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So, got around to watch the first episode. I have seen few episodes of West Wing here and there but never really followed it so the Sorkinisms weren't that familiar to me.

First the good: I liked the busy feel of the show. Sure it's "only people talking", but it can leave you exhausted like an action scene would. How they pulled the story together was the most interesting thing to me.

Then the stuff that left me a bit worried: I thought there was a wee bit too much of romantical drama going on. If these will be the focus of the show, I will be disappointed. Also the speeches tended to be a tad too overly dramatical (especially the one Mackenzie gave in Will's room). But I guess these are needed to give the audience a chance to breathe at some point.

So far the good is outweighing the bad and I will catch up with this during the week end.

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Can't remember when I sympathize with a character like with Will and his crusade against reality tv.

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So watched the remaining 3 episodes in a row today, which to me is a sign of a good show. The ratings vs integrity and the whole running a news broadcast is just so enthrilling. So enthrilling that I'm willing to forgive the romance part of the show.

And this really bugs me. The show is about how people should be more intelligent and news shows should be more honest and to the point. And then the show it self does what it critizises the other shows of, being naive, stupid and predictable = caring too much about the ratings (yeah I know it's HBO so it's not ratings per se). I just hope Sorkin would trust his concept more and not to rely on cheap romance antics.

And speaking about those romance antics, why does everyone wash their dirty laundry in public on this show? I mean every god damn episode we have people yelling at each other personal private stuff in the middle of the news room. And every scene has that same Indian guy telling that it's not a good idea.

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Olivia Munn is such a delight to watch, esspecially after what train wreck Perfect Couples was.

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Hahaha Sam Waterston cracks me up everytime, brill performance in every ep.

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Holy hell I hate Will right now.

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I like this show more and more after every episode, nbt does anyone else just hate the opening credit sequence? It's so boring and slow. Graphically they were probably going for the same style and feel as The West Wing and I like that, but the music just.. It's just so boring.

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Yes, it has the most boring opening sequence in the history of everything, I skip it instantly.

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We so need a gif of him saying "I'm gonna singlehandedly fix the internet!"  big_smile

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Orlando wrote:

Yes, it has the most boring opening sequence in the history of everything, I skip it instantly.

Me two!

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