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WHY!!!

WHY Do movies and television ALWAYS GET THIS FUCKING WRONG!!!

Dragons have 6 limbs !!

SIX!!!

Two arms, two legs and two wings... S.I.X.!!

Their wings are NOT their forearms dammit, their wings are on their BACK!!

Why is this error so common in movies and television and yet, thankfully, not anywhere else?
Onyxia and Nepharion do not Wing swipe at the tank, they use their front claws!

DnD monster manuals and Draconomicon are unanimous, Dragons have six limbs.

Wyverns have four limbs, they are Draconic with no forearms, not Dragons.

The Dragonlings looked good, but I was hoping that this would be the show to get it right.
Now if Smaug has four limbs I will fly to New Zealand track Peter Jackson down and break both his arms with a rusty pipe!


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Lol. didnt even look to see if they had arms.  lol

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i had talked about that with my gf and when she had seen that episode first, then she told me, that i don't like the dragons.. because for me also real dragons are with wings on their back. but i told her:
i don't care
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmmpudGtAk1qbo6s5.jpg

because Draco will be always my favorite kind of dragons, but non the less even Wyverns are dragons, if you aren't very specific about fairytales you are watching/reading/dreaming..
But still Reign of Fire dragons were made very nicely even if they were just Wyverns..
http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs23/f/2007/356/d/9/Reign_Of_fire_dragon____by_kl6.jpg
and i bet Danny little dragons will be just as awesome some day.

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why are there always huge explosions in space?

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why is there always sound in space.?
for example, watch the intro to ST:V.  Out of all the little snippets, only 1 of them is physically correct.

DRM "manages access" in the same way that Prison "manages freedom".
http://xkcd.com/488/

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why do most of the spaceships have to be arrow shaped when there is virtually no friction in vaccuum?

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Exodus wrote:

WHY!!!

WHY Do movies and television ALWAYS GET THIS FUCKING WRONG!!!

Dragons have 6 limbs !!

SIX!!!

Two arms, two legs and two wings... S.I.X.!!

Their wings are NOT their forearms dammit, their wings are on their BACK!!

Why is this error so common in movies and television and yet, thankfully, not anywhere else?
Onyxia and Nepharion do not Wing swipe at the tank, they use their front claws!

DnD monster manuals and Draconomicon are unanimous, Dragons have six limbs.

Wyverns have four limbs, they are Draconic with no forearms, not Dragons.

The Dragonlings looked good, but I was hoping that this would be the show to get it right.
Now if Smaug has four limbs I will fly to New Zealand track Peter Jackson down and break both his arms with a rusty pipe!


-Exo   cool


wrong. dragons don't always have six limbs. in Middle-Earth for example the "father" of dragons (Glaurung) had only 4 limbs, no wings (even older dragons in middle-earth have no limbs at all)...

the chinese dragon has only four limbs, no wings (and sometimes no limbs at all)...

and then there's the "Disney Dragon" which has no arms at all, just legs and wings...

and they are all older than the DnD monsters manual...


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0433367/ good documentary bout dragons, if they were real smile (featuring dragons with 4 limbs and 6 limbs and the reason why that is)

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As much as  agree with you, you cant really cite D&D manuals and WoW villains as the authority on fictional creatures  big_smile

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I think dragons were not just a myth but dinosaurs who had survived until early human age. I think the idea comes from there, ancient human history. Or maybe not that ancient at all, most dragon-slayer storys comes from medieval times i think. Maybe the killed the last few existing dinos then. Or dino-like creatures, the dinos grandchildren. Also a creature with four limbs and wings is i guess evolutionary possible, but unlikely. Maybe one of the first step towards being a bird then. But four limbs is unnecessary weight if you are supposed to fly, so evolution would have removed two of them quite early.

Anyway there are much proof that huge animals walked among us not so long ago, so why not some kind of dinos also? As an example, the "aurochs", which was like a cow (an ox) but twice the size of todays cows, lived among us humans from like 8000 years ago until 1627 when it sadly got extinct. I think there were many other huge animals like that, and many that we never knew about. A dragon (dino) would mostly have lived in secluded, wild areas were no humans were.

That is what i think anyway.

And these guys btw were also huge: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Elk

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why do most of the spaceships have to be arrow shaped when there is virtually no friction in vaccuum?

They'd need the aerodynamic shape when they go through atmospheres.  smile

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miGs wrote:
GodZionu wrote:

why do most of the spaceships have to be arrow shaped when there is virtually no friction in vaccuum?

They'd need the aerodynamic shape when they go through atmospheres.  smile

there are quite afew that do not enter atmosphere.

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GodZionu wrote:
miGs wrote:
GodZionu wrote:

why do most of the spaceships have to be arrow shaped when there is virtually no friction in vaccuum?

They'd need the aerodynamic shape when they go through atmospheres.  smile

there are quite afew that do not enter atmosphere.

actually it's just design. they make cars and trains and planes in different looks and shapes, why not spaceships...

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I think dragons were not just a myth but dinosaurs who had survived until early human age. I think the idea comes from there, ancient human history. Or maybe not that ancient at all, most dragon-slayer storys comes from medieval times i think. Maybe the killed the last few existing dinos then. Or dino-like creatures, the dinos grandchildren. Also a creature with four limbs and wings is i guess evolutionary possible, but unlikely. Maybe one of the first step towards being a bird then. But four limbs is unnecessary weight if you are supposed to fly, so evolution would have removed two of them quite early.

Anyway there are much proof that huge animals walked among us not so long ago, so why not some kind of dinos also? As an example, the "aurochs", which was like a cow (an ox) but twice the size of todays cows, lived among us humans from like 8000 years ago until 1627 when it sadly got extinct. I think there were many other huge animals like that, and many that we never knew about. A dragon (dino) would mostly have lived in secluded, wild areas were no humans were.

That is what i think anyway.

And these guys btw were also huge: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Elk

LOL, that's just idiotic... it didn't occur to you that early humans found dino fossils, or encoutered Varanidae or other big lizards... 65 million years is a long time you know -  animal species, on average, only live about a million years then they die out (one way or another)...

PS. the largest animal on the planet EVER is the Blue Whale... and the Dinos turned into modern birds...

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GodZionu wrote:
miGs wrote:
GodZionu wrote:

why do most of the spaceships have to be arrow shaped when there is virtually no friction in vaccuum?

They'd need the aerodynamic shape when they go through atmospheres.  smile

there are quite afew that do not enter atmosphere.

If they're not built in space it's much more cost effective to make them aerodynamic for the first flight. Might be the reason. Plus I'd imagine fiction sells better when people can relate. People don't like change!

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Hr. Ulottuvuus wrote:

LOL, that's just idiotic... it didn't occur to you that early humans found dino fossils, or encoutered Varanidae or other big lizards... 65 million years is a long time you know -  animal species, on average, only live about a million years then they die out (one way or another)...

PS. the largest animal on the planet EVER is the Blue Whale... and the Dinos turned into modern birds...

Sure they could have found Dino fossils, but what do we really know? I do not think it is idiotic that some dinos, or dino-like creatures would have survived up until some thousand years ago. Only 2000 years ago it is estimated that the worlds total human population were 300 million. That leaves ALOT of space for some big "left-over" creatures to roam free on. I think it is totally possible. Were they really few, there would be no traces of them. The old bones we find, are probably from animals who existed in large numbers, still we only find a few bones. One legend of a guy that killed a dragon is about a guy who lived in the year 300, and travelled a lot. He was a warrior, and a saint. I think it is possible that sometime, somewhere, he came across some big creature like that. It is 1700 years ago. The whole "russia" part of the world was mostly wasteland even then, the forests were really big and ancient, and the landmass and geography were different, maybe not 200 years ago but some more thousand (6-8) years ago. The first settlers in Scandinavia walked across what is now the baltic sea. I do not think my theory is idiotic.

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You idiots would be looking at dragons when there's a NAKED GIRL in front of you... QQ

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dofus wrote:
Hr. Ulottuvuus wrote:

LOL, that's just idiotic... it didn't occur to you that early humans found dino fossils, or encoutered Varanidae or other big lizards... 65 million years is a long time you know -  animal species, on average, only live about a million years then they die out (one way or another)...

PS. the largest animal on the planet EVER is the Blue Whale... and the Dinos turned into modern birds...

Sure they could have found Dino fossils, but what do we really know? I do not think it is idiotic that some dinos, or dino-like creatures would have survived up until some thousand years ago. Only 2000 years ago it is estimated that the worlds total human population were 300 million. That leaves ALOT of space for some big "left-over" creatures to roam free on. I think it is totally possible. Were they really few, there would be no traces of them. The old bones we find, are probably from animals who existed in large numbers, still we only find a few bones. One legend of a guy that killed a dragon is about a guy who lived in the year 300, and travelled a lot. He was a warrior, and a saint. I think it is possible that sometime, somewhere, he came across some big creature like that. It is 1700 years ago. The whole "russia" part of the world was mostly wasteland even then, the forests were really big and ancient, and the landmass and geography were different, maybe not 200 years ago but some more thousand (6-8) years ago. The first settlers in Scandinavia walked across what is now the baltic sea. I do not think my theory is idiotic.



ROFLMAO... yes it is...

one thing missing in your "logic": proof. NOTHING in the whole wide world suggests that ANY dinos actually survived the Chicxulub impact... you obviously have no idea about the energies that ravaged the earth killing 75% of all species. Every animal with bodymass over 30kg died !!!!!!!!!!

99% of earth biomass died in one single instant. even if, by some miracle, one or two dinos survived the impact, they would no longer have any food source nor clean water, and would die in hunger and thirst and COLD in a couple of days.


PS. and now as i think bout it, by your "logic" elves and gnomes and such must also exist. they are just as old fairytale creatures as dragons - you think humans used to live side by side with elves and that's were all those kind of stories came from? or what about orcs? Tolkien wrote about them in books, so they must real too...

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You idiots would be looking at dragons when there's a NAKED GIRL in front of you... QQ

Yeah, if there was a dragon and a naked girl in front of me i would be looking at the dragon.

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I'd look at the naked girl before before becoming a kentucky combo.

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So... anyway...

6 Limbs = Dragon
4 Limbs = Wyvern

Its not that hard.

And dont talk about Chinese dragons they are obviously another type.
And someone mentioned the Disney Dragon?
Walt Disney Portayed a proper Dragon in Sleeping Beauty, ofc with six limbs:

http://hotwallpaper.dk/wallpapers/sleeping_beauty_prince_fighting_dragon_disney_hotwallpaper-1024x768.jpg

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So your whole argument is based on that a few people writing dungeon and dragons handbooks decided that 6 limbs are suppose to be dragons and 4 limbs should be called wyverns? Sorry but there is a life outside of DnD. Also it seems like you need to read more DnD books cause even i who havent really does so seem to know more about the dragons in DnD then you.

To me dragons is the family name of the species and then there are many subclasses. Wyverns, chinese dragons, sea dragons and many many more.

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firstly: that disney dragon could never fly big_smile

also
i haven't read dnd books, but it's just logical mythology and of course wikipedia, but wiki is written by geeks anyway. and thous 6 limbed dragons are just normal dragons for us because they are european dragons. some chinese dragons only have 2 limbs big_smile

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon

interesting reading about dragon folk anyway.

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Oh not this again...

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Also : They're not real!
It's all about the lore of the particular world - you can't compare them. If the creator says that's how dragons are in thier work, that's how they are.

In GoT, dragons have two legs and two wings. It's stated by Tyrion in the books.
In fact, in GoT there's discrepancy when it comes to actual animals (especially wrt size), so arguing about mythical creatures in a fictional world based on arbitrary rules defined in other fictional worlds is a little moot.

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