Topic: 6x02 - Day of the Moon (2)
Excellent episode, but what the hell?!
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Excellent episode, but what the hell?!
Yeah, Exactly!
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Wow, I am speechless. Fantastic episode, a brilliant non-conclusion to the season opener and the ending was so full of emotional highlights I didn't know what to feel first.
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Damn it, why did they have to split up the season into two halves?!?
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Uhhh...
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In any case the River-Doctor storyline is ripping my heart apart with every single episode. It's like Romeo & Juliet, except the heartbreakingly tragic moment is spread across several episodes. I just re-watched Silence in the Library and Alex Kingston played the moment River realized the Doctor didn't recognize her perfectly - even then she had all the sadness in her eyes she was talking about in The Impossible Astronaut, only it was lost on all of us when the episode aired, because a) we didn't know how big of a deal it really was, and b) Donna was yapping all over it 
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What we know as facts
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Things I'm guessing at
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Needless to say I can't wait to see how this all unfolds
7 2011-05-01 06:39:32 (edited by dominar 2011-05-01 06:49:08)
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why can everyone remember that they saw the silence order them to shoot em while Amy cant remember she was there for days or that she's had a baby, it should all come back to her when she looks at it? Or do things only come back to you when you see it on television, although you clearly see the people getting their brains edited after the video? :s tbh how this was solved, doesnt make sense
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It's certainly high on my list of things Moffat might have in store for us, but I didn't see any actual confirmation that
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Did I miss something?
9 2011-05-01 11:13:03 (edited by Halo2 2011-05-01 11:15:14)
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It is a slightly big assumption, but it's based on a picture in the little girls bedroom, showing Amy looking over a baby (which is presumed to be the little girl). I have seen pictures like this where the person isn't always the parent, but the fact that it's in her room is significant.
On a side note the little girl has lots of pictures of herself on that table too, which is a bit odd, is she just really vain 
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It is a slightly big assumption, but it's based on a picture in the little girls bedroom, showing Amy looking over a baby (which is presumed to be the little girl). I have seen pictures like this where the person isn't always the parent, but the fact that it's in her room is significant.
On a side note the little girl has lots of pictures of herself on that table too, which is a bit odd, is she just really vain
Slightly big?
It's certainly a hint that's intended to get us thinking in that direction but we all know Moffat's style by now, one thing can rapidly turn out to "really" be another when we get a little bit more information or someone else's point of view. The Doctor's out-of-sequence visit to Amy back in Flesh and Stone is an example of what I mean.
The pictures could all be part of some silence-related memory implantation process just to throw yet another theory out there
There's also a lot of conflation going on - there's references being made to "the girl" being important; Amy finds "a" girl's bedroom - complete with pictures of what appears to be her and a baby; there's whatever may or may not be gestating inside Amy, and we've got the obvious girl from the spacesuit/telephone. Any of these things might well simply not represent what they are obviously meant to make us think they represent at this stage of the storytelling - they might well all refer to separate things/people, and any of them might be a red herring.
PS I am looking forward immensely to when we'll be able to have a Memento-style rewatch of all of River's episodes - only in her order
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didn't riven in 6x01 were feeling sick also?
just thought will throw that in here..
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Also dont forget that before she entered the room she saw a woman saying, "She's probably dreaming" or sth like that
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I know to regenerations are limited - is it twelve? How many are we up to with the current doctor?
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No idea on a limit to regen but it's the 11th Doctor
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Oh guys cmon - there are so many regens as needed - it's a tv-show. When the actor quits there will always a next doctor. Even if there is a limit set in the sixties (I have 13 in my head) it would be an easy fix for the writers to workaround 
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The timelord rule used to be 12 regenerations, meaning 13 incarnations, but an episode of the Sarah Jane Adventures that Matt Smith was in indicated he could regenerate as many times as he needed.
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Reading this post makes me feel really good about this show! I might start watching it when I'm finished with Stargate.
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I'll just throw this out there for my 2c
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19 2011-05-01 14:45:59 (edited by Halo2 2011-05-01 14:52:07)
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he's [Rory] also lived for 2000 years (almost a definition of a time-lord right there)
I'm sorry but that is not even close to a definition...
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Before I start rambling, I must say: OMG WTF THAT WAS SO ... GAAAAAAAHHHHH!
Now back to the original schedule.
I saw people complaining in this Forum about Ecclestone's Doctor, thing is, that was the first season of a returning legacy and RTD was still finding it<s ground and fighting with his desire to whedonnize everything (though Moffat outwheddoned Whedon in fucked up relationships with River - and I am loving every bit of it). The Bad Wolf and DoctorDonna episodes stablish that hibrid timelord-whatever is at least very very hard, though, for my 2c, there is a bit of timelord DNA in all humans, thus making us look like them ("But, you look human", "you look timelord, we came first" Rose and the Doctor, very first episode of the new series ).
Anyway, all this is to put last season in perspective ... something about the threat of impending doom was lost in the sillyness. It has been found.
Moffat planting the seed for his whole story arc in the middle of an RTD series-season is such a great idea and shows so much forethought it gets me banging on walls as a writer. Seriously, knuckles bleeding. That's BBC for you, the assurance that the show will survive long enough that will allow you to plant arcs 3 years in advance. That kindo of job stability is unheard of in teledramaturgy anywhere in the world, makes me want to cry and move to England, I guess I could stand the weather...
Anyway, points.
1. Amy can be the mother, or the godmother to River and the Doctor's daughter, thus holding the girls in a loving manner.
2. Rory the Roman was made of plastic. When time was rewritten, he may have been restored to his human body with 2000 years of plastic memories in him, but that is no timelord, he's ... something else.
3. The Doctor has a "daughter", the extrapolated clone of Tennant's Doctor, played by Tennant's wife, Peter - 5th Doctor - Davison's real world daughter. -- Nice bit of trivia there. So the fact is, there is another source of Timelord DNA roaming the stars, even though she does not have a TARDIS (yet).
Other than that, there is little to be said that hasn't already in this forum. This was a seriously well written story and I look forward for the rest of the season. JOY.
And yes, River's arc is one of the most heartbreaking arcs in all SciFi history, even if Moffat screws it up at the end. Such a great idea will live on.
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dominar wrote:
why can everyone remember that they saw the silence order them to shoot em while Amy cant remember she was there for days or that she's had a baby, it should all come back to her when she looks at it? Or do things only come back to you when you see it on television, although you clearly see the people getting their brains edited after the video? :s tbh how this was solved, doesnt make sense
Because the Silence (Silents?) use "post-hypnosis" or whatever it was called to erase your memories of them when you look away. Anything they say to you while you see them you will subconsciously do without remembering it or that you've been told to do this. The Doctor demonstrated it with Declan fixing the Doctor's tie.
So the Doctor used their own trick against the Silence. He broadcast a message, uttered by one of them, to the whole world. Brilliant, really, if you are willing to suspend your disbelief that a Silence would say those exact and perfect words and not know what a video phone is.
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Moffat planting the seed for his whole story arc in the middle of an RTD series-season is such a great idea and shows so much forethought it gets me banging on walls as a writer. Seriously, knuckles bleeding. That's BBC for you, the assurance that the show will survive long enough that will allow you to plant arcs 3 years in advance. That kindo of job stability is unheard of in teledramaturgy anywhere in the world, makes me want to cry and move to England, I guess I could stand the weather...
I agree - Moffat had most of the story for the River-Doctor romance mapped out when he wrote Silence in the Library, but he didn't really tell any of the cast, so Alex Kingston thought her role was a one-off deal ... Until she was asked to come back.
But I disagree with you on the UK job security. First off, there was never a time like that. You never have that assurance that your show will be on the air three years down the road. Not from the studio anyway. I think Moffat made a reasonable assumption that a show that is running for 30 seasons (at the time of Silence in the Library) and is immensely popular since it was revived four years prior will probably stick around for the next few years. And what do you know, he was right.
I will grant you that there was a time when the TV landscape was much friendlier to pure sci-fi in general and long-term storytelling in particular than it is now. I think Babylon 5 in the 90s was very similar - JMS had somewhat of an assurance that he gets to finish his five-year long story arc, even though it got cut short in season four when it looked like they were getting cancelled. So you don't have to move to the UK for that. I think TV landscapes in both countries are equally hostile to heavily serialized stories on TV, it's just that Doctor Who is the exception because of its popularity - just like Lost was in its heyday.
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I think Moffat made a reasonable assumption that a show that is running for 30 seasons (at the time of Silence in the Library) and is immensely popular since it was revived four years prior will probably stick around for the next few years. And what do you know, he was right.
Moffat knew that there would be no season proper for 2 years because the BBC didn't want the series to stagnate, great idea in my opinion!
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marco1475 wrote:I think Moffat made a reasonable assumption that a show that is running for 30 seasons (at the time of Silence in the Library) and is immensely popular since it was revived four years prior will probably stick around for the next few years. And what do you know, he was right.
Moffat knew that there would be no season proper for 2 years because the BBC didn't want the series to stagnate, great idea in my opinion!
What do you mean with the "no season proper?" If you're referring to the series of specials before Moffat took over I thought that was because Tennant wanted more time off to take part in stage / theater plays ...
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24 2011-05-02 08:38:32 (edited by Halo2 2011-05-02 08:40:25)
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Halo2 wrote:marco1475 wrote:I think Moffat made a reasonable assumption that a show that is running for 30 seasons (at the time of Silence in the Library) and is immensely popular since it was revived four years prior will probably stick around for the next few years. And what do you know, he was right.
Moffat knew that there would be no season proper for 2 years because the BBC didn't want the series to stagnate, great idea in my opinion!
What do you mean with the "no season proper?" If you're referring to the series of specials before Moffat took over I thought that was because Tennant wanted more time off to take part in stage / theater plays ...
There was no proper season in 2009. While that might have had a small factor, the BBC wanted to give it a refresh as new blood was coming in: Moffat, Smith, Gillian
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From my understanding there wasn't a season in 2009 because Tennat was attached to a play
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