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Of course, everyone is a critic sitting comfy in front of their computer.

my chair is not comfy sad

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BlackBox wrote:
Hr. Ulottuvuus wrote:
BlackBox wrote:

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But you have to set believable zombie rules in the show. Like now they behave exactly as the scene fits. That's not ok and it leads to a boring plot.

should all zombies be alike? like the way humans are excatly the same...

So now you are an expert on zombie personality? lol

yes, i turn into one every weekend smile

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Hr. Ulottuvuus wrote:
BlackBox wrote:
Hr. Ulottuvuus wrote:

should all zombies be alike? like the way humans are excatly the same...

So now you are an expert on zombie personality? lol

yes, i turn into one every weekend smile

lol  lol  lol

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Hr. Ulottuvuus wrote:
BlackBox wrote:
Hr. Ulottuvuus wrote:

should all zombies be alike? like the way humans are excatly the same...

So now you are an expert on zombie personality? lol

yes, i turn into one every weekend smile

Oh yeah, chicks dig the dropping jaw. cool

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Orlando wrote:
Hr. Ulottuvuus wrote:
BlackBox wrote:

So now you are an expert on zombie personality? lol

yes, i turn into one every weekend smile

Oh yeah, chicks dig the dropping jaw. cool

and the brain eating...

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Hr. Ulottuvuus wrote:
Orlando wrote:
Hr. Ulottuvuus wrote:

yes, i turn into one every weekend smile

Oh yeah, chicks dig the dropping jaw. cool

and the brain eating...

That, sir, is propaganda. Zombies don't eat brains. Zombies eat flesh in general.
Oh the ignorance roll  big_smile

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Orlando wrote:
BlackBox wrote:

For TWD you have to accept the whole apocalypse virus thingy - which is complete utterly bollocks

Of course it is. Because it's fiction. Zombies are as believeable as fairies, cylons, hobbits or Chucky dolls. But ok, let's moan some more.

And the most unlogical thing in this episode were the guts splattering. They even mentioned, that you have to be careful to not get any stuff in your eyes or on your skin. And in the next moment he smashed the axe into the body with all people standing next to it lol
There were at least 10 moments were they got all the greasy stuff all over them. That's simply not good enough for me. All scenes are just nice images inside a comic book but don't work for me as a series.

1. They were away and nothing was splattered on them.
2. They got it on them. Why? Because survival was in that moment more important that hygiene.
3. Why they said that? Because they have NO clue how the virus spreads. Remeber, in the TWD universe there was no George Romero, no zombie movies, they don't know shit about them (and the reason why they call them walkers).

Of course, everyone is a critic sitting comfy in front of their computer. But they are just humans in a extreme situation, they will make mistakes. All of us do, that makes us human.

BlackBox wrote:
Hr. Ulottuvuus wrote:

should all zombies be alike? like the way humans are excatly the same...

So now you are an expert on zombie personality? lol

And why we should be? Everyone of us is different. Let's see the fence scene. Only one zombie got through. Why? Maybe because when he was alive, he was in good physical condition. I know that I as a zombie wouldn't climbe shit. Even know I can't. But some ppl can do it in a second. Besides, zombies in TWD remember bits and pieces of their old live.

You quoted me wrong and had antilogy in your arguments...

I'm done for this week posting for TWD.

Have fun smile

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At least I had arguments. Also, it would be nice to say what I quoted wrong and the antilogy of my arguments.

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Sad to see this turning more into action rather than into drama. Guess I'll have to live with that... What I'm starting to like is that they're not copying the storyline of the comics, but just choosing the best parts and doing the rest differently. Only one thing really bothered me - if zombies in the TV series can climb through fences how they'll resolve one of important future situations (people who read the comics probably know what I'm referring to).

PS. Anyone notice any bloopers this time? I rewinded some of the action scenes a few times but didn't find shit. wink

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xrnzaaas wrote:

Only one thing really bothered me - if zombies in the TV series can climb through fences how they'll resolve one of important future situations (people who read the comics probably know what I'm referring to).

Well, I don't think that all zombies can climb fences. It probably depends on the physical strenght of the person when he was alive.

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Orlando wrote:
Hr. Ulottuvuus wrote:
Orlando wrote:

Oh yeah, chicks dig the dropping jaw. cool

and the brain eating...

That, sir, is propaganda. Zombies don't eat brains. Zombies eat flesh in general.
Oh the ignorance roll  big_smile

ah, but the brain is a delicates... go ask hannibal lector smile

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Orlando wrote:

Well, I don't think that all zombies can climb fences. It probably depends on the physical strenght of the person when he was alive.

i don't belive so. you could have been ironman when you were alive, but if you are dead, your muscles will start to deteriorate. so dead people should not be able to have tons of strength.

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godzionu wrote:
Orlando wrote:

Well, I don't think that all zombies can climb fences. It probably depends on the physical strenght of the person when he was alive.

i don't belive so. you could have been ironman when you were alive, but if you are dead, your muscles will start to deteriorate. so dead people should not be able to have tons of strength.

You're right. So it depends on the 'age' of the zombie. Anyone knows how quickly muscles deteriorate?

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Orlando wrote:
godzionu wrote:
Orlando wrote:

Well, I don't think that all zombies can climb fences. It probably depends on the physical strenght of the person when he was alive.

i don't belive so. you could have been ironman when you were alive, but if you are dead, your muscles will start to deteriorate. so dead people should not be able to have tons of strength.

You're right. So it depends on the 'age' of the zombie. Anyone knows how quickly muscles deteriorate?

this discussion is ridicilous big_smile some zombies run, others climb and some even open doors - becouse they are all like snowflakes  wink

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Oh don't be a buzzkill, can we just talk? tongue

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well the physiology of zombies can be very very complicated. musclememory for example: the art of running and climbing and the rest of those basic movement related stuffs should already be recorded in muscle memory, due to thousands of years of evolution - so zombies should be able to run and climb and do basic movement orientated stuff...
as for the strenght of a zombie. well this is tied to the detoriation of muscles and flesh, but how much muscle was there in the first place, and can zombies really feel fatigue? no they can't. so in some cases it doesn't really matter how strong a zombie is 'couse they dont get tired.
and don't they eat flesh just for the purpose of somesort of regeneration???

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See, isn't this fun? big_smile

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hmm. well you have good points here. and noone know's what kind of this "virus" was that turned them zombies. so yeah this actually might be quite personal thing. some people might be weak do to that mutation and some normal or stronger than before death.

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fun indeed, but redicilous big_smile

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BB did hit on a bunch of things that did bug me. The whole guts thing, while suspenseful and predictable, bugged me for many reasons. Firstly, they used zombie guts to mask their scent...so they wouldn't smell like humans in a crowd of zombies. Well, in my mind, if I were a zombie, I wouldn't even be able to smell guts anymore...I'd be desensitized to it, having been around hoards of zombies for days or weeks. Any hint of fresh human scent wouldn't really be masked by the smell of guts, because I can't smell guts. Hearing and sight are way more dependable anyway...so a)I'd want to eat them because I could hear them whispering to each other, b)I'd want to eat them because they don't look pasty and dead like the rest of us, or c)they might be zombies, but I've seriously got the munchies, and they look as good as any human to me right now.

...actually, on that note, I always wondered why zombies never ate each other...I mean, dead flesh is still flesh.

In any case, I do like the show...though I'd certainly write it differently.

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I'm glad TV taken a step to try to do other things in big scale then mainstream. There arguments about all shows. Theres always flaws in logic or whatever BUT ITS TV! Apperently alot of viewers enjoy this show tobad you don't. I'm not going to tell you all what to like or to think the same way as I do. I'm just happy alot of people enjoy this as much as I do!

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Hr. Ulottuvuus wrote:

well the physiology of zombies can be very very complicated. musclememory for example: the art of running and climbing and the rest of those basic movement related stuffs should already be recorded in muscle memory, due to thousands of years of evolution - so zombies should be able to run and climb and do basic movement orientated stuff...
as for the strenght of a zombie. well this is tied to the detoriation of muscles and flesh, but how much muscle was there in the first place, and can zombies really feel fatigue? no they can't. so in some cases it doesn't really matter how strong a zombie is 'couse they dont get tired.
and don't they eat flesh just for the purpose of somesort of regeneration???

Well you're drawing lines to regular human physiology, where you have muscle memory/motor learning, neural pathways that have been established through practicing movements for many years. However, the zombies in this series can't really have any of that. First of all, many of them were so injured upon death that any regular physiology would have fallen apart long ago. How does the zombie with only half a torso live? How do they coordinate movements after having part of their brain eaten?

Since the brain is seemingly their only vital organ (only thing that can actually kill them), there is definitely something supernatural involved, and any known physiology will not apply whatsoever. For instance, the zombies don't need a beating heart or a working liver, their muscles will not require nourishment to function and so forth. So I am guessing that their muscles won't really deteriorate at all. The human immune system won't function without blood flow and energy, and the "use it or lose it"-saying won't mean squat.

So being supernatural and not requiring energy, it's not even sure that their muscles will work the same way; That the number, thickness or type of muscle fibers will come into play, and you can't claim that a strong person becomes a strong zombie, since the way of reproducing the persons exact former strength would be to use the muscles in the same way, through means like ATP and undamaged motorneuronpathways.

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Robcore wrote:

... they used zombie guts to mask their scent...so they wouldn't smell like humans in a crowd of zombies. Well, in my mind, if I were a zombie, I wouldn't even be able to smell guts anymore...I'd be desensitized to it, having been around hoards of zombies for days or weeks. Any hint of fresh human scent wouldn't really be masked by the smell of guts, because I can't smell guts...

-Rob

that's not actually true now is it?  you can hide a scent with another scent, it doesnt matter if you're desensitized to it... look at drug smugling for example... the odor in the air isn't dependent on your nose, but the molecules in the air...

shabby wrote:

Well you're drawing lines to regular human physiology, where you have muscle memory/motor learning, neural pathways that have been established through practicing movements for many years. However, the zombies in this series can't really have any of that. First of all, many of them were so injured upon death that any regular physiology would have fallen apart long ago. How does the zombie with only half a torso live? How do they coordinate movements after having part of their brain eaten?

Since the brain is seemingly their only vital organ (only thing that can actually kill them), there is definitely something supernatural involved, and any known physiology will not apply whatsoever. For instance, the zombies don't need a beating heart or a working liver, their muscles will not require nourishment to function and so forth. So I am guessing that their muscles won't really deteriorate at all. The human immune system won't function without blood flow and energy, and the "use it or lose it"-saying won't mean squat.

So being supernatural and not requiring energy, it's not even sure that their muscles will work the same way; That the number, thickness or type of muscle fibers will come into play, and you can't claim that a strong person becomes a strong zombie, since the way of reproducing the persons exact former strength would be to use the muscles in the same way, through means like ATP and undamaged motorneuronpathways.

yes, this is an very interesting point of view... but i still retain the notion that zombies do not require magic to function. What makes us live and breath? there is no clear line here, what is living and what is just dead matter - and to continue this path of thought; where is the line between matter and consciousness? can zombies have primitive thought? are there still some synopsis firing in their zombie brain? the age old method of killing a zombie is to shoot to the head afterall...

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that's not actually true now is it?  you can hide a scent with another scent, it doesnt matter if you're desensitized to it... look at drug smugling for example... the odor in the air isn't dependent on your nose, but the molecules in the air...

The nose is extremely sensitive. Guys that used to work at the local paper mill (awful smell) couldn't notice the scent of the mill after a while, but if someone ate pizza before their shift, they'd notice it on their breath.

What I'm saying is that the air is probably already saturated with zombie scent, and the nose would be desensitized to it. Their strategy didn't nullify their own scent...so in effect, their scent would have been just as pronounced if they didn't cover themselves in guts, and if the crowd of zombies had two more zombies in it.

It really only takes a few particles of something for us to be able to smell.

-Rob

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Robcore wrote:

that's not actually true now is it?  you can hide a scent with another scent, it doesnt matter if you're desensitized to it... look at drug smugling for example... the odor in the air isn't dependent on your nose, but the molecules in the air...

The nose is extremely sensitive. Guys that used to work at the local paper mill (awful smell) couldn't notice the scent of the mill after a while, but if someone ate pizza before their shift, they'd notice it on their breath.

What I'm saying is that the air is probably already saturated with zombie scent, and the nose would be desensitized to it. Their strategy didn't nullify their own scent...so in effect, their scent would have been just as pronounced if they didn't cover themselves in guts, and if the crowd of zombies had two more zombies in it.

It really only takes a few particles of something for us to be able to smell.


-Rob

well i know how a paper mill smells. and the smell of a rotting corpse is quite something else - trust me...

and if i have managed to fool highly trained drug-sniffing police dogs with basic groceries, i bet that one can fool a zombie with blood and gore...

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