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51 Reply by HomerS 2010-08-21 22:02:34 (edited by HomerS 2010-08-22 00:11:45)

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marco1475 wrote:It's funny you mentioned The Island trailer, because music from that movie was used to fantastic effect in the Elizabeth: The Golden Age trailer (the song is Steve Jablonsky's "My Name is Lincoln").
The part after minute 1:10 of Steve Jablonsky's - My Name is Lincoln reminds me a bit of Hans Zimmer - Now we are free but only a little bit, i think Jablonsky was a pupil of Zimmer anyway. Another song i like is from the movie The Last of the Mohicans called Promentory by Randy Edelman.

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HomerS wrote:i think Jablonsky was a pupil of Zimmer anyway.
Yes, he was, just like Klaus Badelt, Harry Gregson-Williams, Mark Mancina, Trevor Morris, John Powell, Trevor Rabin and many others. I am a big fan of the Media Ventures / Remote Control Productions sound and like very much that while Zimmer is off doing some serious score experiments - almost bordering on sound design in Joker's two-note theme from The Dark Knight, the completely wacky and for a summer blockbuster atypical Sherlock Holmes score or the recent Inception score highlight - his co-workers continue his traditional heavy-brass and simple-melody scoring for action movies. While Badelt's score for Pirates of the Carribean: The Curse of the Black Pearl sounded too much like Zimmer (for in fact Zimmer composed the main melodies in three days and left Badelt to finish the score), Jablonsky always seems to pick out the best attributes of what made Zimmer's music so great and make it different enough to be unique. I still think that Jablonsky's Transformers score is probably the best version of any Zimmer-esque sound ever composed - especially "Arrival to Earth" and my personal favorite "Scorponok" (from 1:06 to 1:30 is pure ear-gasm ). HomerS wrote:Another song i like is from the movie The Last of the Mohicans called Promentory by Randy Edelman.
Hm, you must be reading my mind Promentory is of course used in the Nike ad I linked to a few posts back saying "Where are the days where all it took for a brilliant commercial to re-use pre-existing film music?" That prompted me to actually do some digging and I found out that in addition to all the scoring trouble I already knew Last of the Mohicans had (Michael Mann - the director - first hired Randy Edelman to do the score but didn't like where it was going, so he hired Trevor Jones to re-score the movie with some absurdly small amount of time, but then used parts of both scores and released them on the CD as well) the main theme - used in "Promentory" and "The Kiss" - isn't even an original composition! Quoth Wikipedia: "The main theme of the movie is taken from the tune 'The Gael' by Scottish singer-songwriter Dougie MacLean." I of course YouTube'd it and found this marvel, which I have on repeat now for several days running. I love "Promentory," I think its arrangement is beautiful, but this live version of the original is breath-taking!
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marco1475 wrote: and my personal favorite "Scorponok" (from 1:06 to 1:30 is pure ear-gasm )
i totally agree, after watching the movie i had to get the score coz of that song, i also like Steve Jablonsky take on linkin parks song new divide called NEST marco1475 wrote:Hm, you must be reading my mind Promentory is of course used in the Nike ad I linked to a few posts back saying "Where are the days where all it took for a brilliant commercial to re-use pre-existing film music?
haha damn totally missed that , thought i listened to all mentioned songs in that post, yeh the live version is great indeed

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well i'm dropping this series. too much talk, too complicated story, nothing happening for me.
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godzionu wrote:well i'm dropping this series. too much talk, too complicated story, nothing happening for me.
I'm inclining to agree with you - it's not bad it's just too damn slow...

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godzionu wrote:well i'm dropping this series. too much talk, too complicated story, nothing happening for me.
see uncle HomerS could have told you this some time ago 

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see uncle HomerS could have told you this some time ago 
well i agree with you. but i was willing to give it a chance. so i suffered over almost 5 episodes. and since nothing improved for me i did quit.
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I think it did improve - although it has really a weird speed - almost oldschool  But I like it and keep it on my watchlist.

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"'Cause your name wasn't on the list." I am nominating Kale Ingram as one of the biggest bad-asses in history. What he did in 1x08 was just superb. I love it when a character (and by inference the show and its writers) are smarter than me. Fantastic logic and anticipation, well done Rubicon. Too bad your 0.2 ratings will doom you to cancellation after this season 
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This is a great show. I hope there is a few more seasons. Yes it's slower than your average show and you have to think about it more, but that is what makes it great.
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Man, with each passing episode the show gets so much better and the ratings just stay abysmal. It's funny that AMC's first ratings failure (Mad Men and Breaking Bad are strong in the ratings and beloved by critics) will be a show that is this good. Somebody over at AMC's programming department is doing their job really well.
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If someone is interested, Marcus said Tu mówi Marcus King. Potrzebuje numer. Of course, he said it in such a way, that my ears hurt 
63 Reply by BlackBox 2010-10-05 07:34:12 (edited by BlackBox 2010-10-20 09:24:24)

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Orlando wrote:If someone is interested, Marcus said Tu mówi Marcus King. Potrzebuje numer. Of course, he said it in such a way, that my ears hurt 
Aha - and what does it mean? "Hi I'm Marcus and I need a cleaner?"  The last episode was by far the best. Now you know what it's all about. It's even bigger than I expected it to be after the pilot. But it's very easy to see why the ratings are as low as they can be. The pace is very different. Other shows have action and a significant soundtrack. In Rubicon you can see the the people sitting and thinking without special effects. Also what I like about this show is the way of how the extreme new information is handled. In 24 they hunt terrorists too and they have newest computer screens and Cisco telephones everywhere - everything is flickering and they reposition the satellites every minute. In Rubicon you have just one computer - the index at the file cabinet. And information is handled on paper - immense amount of paper which has to be read and analysed in the head - not by a blinking "match" on a screen. IMHO the suspense in Rubicon couldn't be higher, but they took alot of time to get there. The average american viewer (or godzi) is long gone  Let's hope they didn't speculate on a second season and the series is ended propery as this show won't get a chance for another round. For your amusement here are the numbers of "AMC’s Highest-Rated Original Series Premiere Ever" (in million viewers): 2010-06-13: 1.072 2010-08-01: 2.004 2010-08-08: 1.198 2010-08-15: 1.183 2010-08-22: 1.140 2010-08-29: 1.306 2010-09-05: 1.271 2010-09-12: 1.115 2010-09-19: 1.031 2010-09-26: 0.970 2010-10-03: 0.997 2010-10-10: 1.260 2010-10-17: 1.042

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my IQ is around 128 but my attention span is still to low for this show, it's like watching paint dry 

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HomerS wrote:my IQ is around 128 but my attention span is still to low for this show, it's like watching paint dry 
Actually I think if your IQ is high you get dragged to this show as it is really for thinking people. Of course you can have a high IQ and don't like to think - that would be wasted potential 

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I would also add another thing the show does really well, just like Mad Men: It doesn't spell things out for you. Nowadays Hollywood and most broadcast TV shows take Hitchcock's mantra of how to handle information ("tell [the audience] what you're going to show them, show it to them, and then tell them what you've shown them") too literally. But Rubicon, just like Mad Men, lets you enjoy and analyze many crucial scenes for yourself. No dialog, no special effects, no voice overs - just the actor, their acting and your thoughts about what they are doing and why they are doing it. Makes for much better TV. It'll be actually very interesting to see how AMC will react. The show seems to be getting good enough reviews to be considered well-reviewed and while the audience is small, it is more or less steady. Having said that, a rating of 0.2 is too low even for AMC (Mad Men are around 0.8 as is Breaking Bad and both are always front-runners and winners of Emmys) especially since it is unlikely for Rubicon to get any Emmy nominations. On the other hand the show looks very inexpensive (notice how I didn't call it "cheap") - it gets across what it needs to in a few in-door sets without any expensive outside shots or FX or anything. Add to that that their biggest star name is a second-league supporting actor and the show should be able to pay for itself even with those low ratings ... We shall see soon enough. In any case I do suspect that the writers have wrapped up this current mystery in season 1 and just left a small door open in case of a miracle pickup.
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marco1475 wrote:I would also add another thing the show does really well, just like Mad Men: It doesn't spell things out for you. Nowadays Hollywood and most broadcast TV shows take Hitchcock's mantra of how to handle information ("tell [the audience] what you're going to show them, show it to them, and then tell them what you've shown them") too literally. But Rubicon, just like Mad Men, lets you enjoy and analyze many crucial scenes for yourself. No dialog, no special effects, no voice overs - just the actor, their acting and your thoughts about what they are doing and why they are doing it. Makes for much better TV. It'll be actually very interesting to see how AMC will react. The show seems to be getting good enough reviews to be considered well-reviewed and while the audience is small, it is more or less steady. Having said that, a rating of 0.2 is too low even for AMC (Mad Men are around 0.8 as is Breaking Bad and both are always front-runners and winners of Emmys) especially since it is unlikely for Rubicon to get any Emmy nominations. On the other hand the show looks very inexpensive (notice how I didn't call it "cheap") - it gets across what it needs to in a few in-door sets without any expensive outside shots or FX or anything. Add to that that their biggest star name is a second-league supporting actor and the show should be able to pay for itself even with those low ratings ... We shall see soon enough. In any case I do suspect that the writers have wrapped up this current mystery in season 1 and just left a small door open in case of a miracle pickup.
Amen to that 

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Did it air last night in the US as it is holiday weekend? I can't find it in the usual places.

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There's no hdtv rip. Yet.

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colinsp wrote:Did it air last night in the US as it is holiday weekend? I can't find it in the usual places.
as weird it is there are only 720p versions available. TPB for torrents and rlslog.
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Finally an episode with some interesting plot , it took all season so far to build up for this episode...

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XtazyMike wrote:Finally an episode with some interesting plot , it took all season so far to build up for this episode...
and you suffered that long to watch this crap? i myself did quit after episode 3-4.
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yeah , it an issue I'm trying to work on , can't quit shows I already started watching... And now I have to cause I started Law School and it takes most of my time.... 

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XtazyMike wrote:yeah , it an issue I'm trying to work on , can't quit shows I already started watching...
i know what you mean. same here. that's why it's hard for me to quit Chuck.
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