Dumbledore vs. Gandalf (Page 1 of 2)

A.  Gandalf would kick the living sh*@ out of Dumbledore.  I'm pretty sure anyone voting for Dumbledore is just a big Harry Potter fan who knows deep down this is the truth.

B.  Worst case scenario: Gandalf dies in the process of killing Dumbledore only to return even stronger and with some snazzy new threads.

Gandalf, no contest

I think this is a so much harder discussion than you people are making it out to be... I mean, I understand that people will vote on what they like best... and with the target demographics on this site, LotR will obviously win. However, I think it's naive of you to make argue for Gandalf, using arguments in the strength of "We want change, yes we can".
These two wizards are, in my eyes, very much alike. A battle between them would cause destruction and devastation to all surrounding members, but I can not decide who I think would win said battle.... They are just too equal.

But that is only what you have made him out to be... you have no proof or substance for that actually being the case, only your view. And even if people agrees with you it still wouldn't make it true. Unless of course you can put forward some substantial evidence for it... and I'm not saying that that doesn't exist. I'm no expert on Gandalf at all. I've seen the trilogy a few times, but I have yet to read the books. I do however know a lot about Dumbledore.
If you can educate me on what makes Gandalf so much more powerful than Albus, I might be inclined to agree with you... but not until you do that.

I suspect that when paisly wakes up, I'll get more of the answers I'm looking for. Or perhaps Rob or nivalis has something to say on the matter? They all usually explain why they believe something to be true, not just that they believe it's true...

Good way to look at it... Mal removed Xanders eye... does that mean the Mal wins all?

Mxyzptlk: Dude, c'mon.  I thought you were gonna put up a fight.  You know, make me work a little.  I was about to go into Tolkien and Lord of the Rings and the Silmarillion and all sorts of fun stuff until I read "I have yet to read the books"  Again, I must say, "c'mon!!!!"  (Although mad props for admitting the truth)  At this point I feel like explaining it all would take the fun out of reading the books which you really should go do.  (There's a lot I want to list, but it would spoil so much for one who hasn't read.)  Since you haven't read the books (especially The Silmarillion) you're just gonna have to trust me on this one thing (which the films don't really have time to completely portray): Gandalf, throughout the LotR stories, is much like Ares or Athena in The Iliad.  (Ares was for Troy, Athena for Greece.)  Either one could have completely wiped out the other army.  The point is that they're gods who aren't really supposed to mess with the affairs of men.  So instead they do little things to push their side along by appearing as humans or giving courage or advice to humans on the battlefield.  This is how you have to look at Gandalf.  If "trust me" doesn't do it for you, read the books.  (That kind of came off condescending, and it wasn't supposed to.  I just don't know how else to put it.)

one more thing:

This may do it for you, since you're European.  Everyone who watches futbol knows that the player with one name is always the best.  right?  Is futbol big in Sweden?  I have no idea.

Football is big in Sweden, yes... and Henrik Larsson doesn't have one name...

There are a few who could give Gandalf a decent fight as Gandalf the Grey.  (Elrond, Sauron, Saruman, Galadriel, and some really ancient beasts like the Balrog)  As Gandalf the White, I'm thinking he wins all of those fights, most without a decent battle.  I do like your "most powerful in his own fictional universe" argument, though we do have to imagine some sort of Superfriends scenario for this fight to happen.  (like how I pulled in your example?)

i choose Gandalf, the white one

because Gandalf the Grey was pretty weak old wizard, but Gandalf the White was much more powerful.

oh and didn't Gandalf the Grey won the battle with Balrog?

but from HP field: maybe one death spell would do the trick..

Gandalf, because i have no frakin idea who is this Dumbledore.

ohhh... i'm glad. i don't want to know anything about harry potter. never read any books, nor watched any movies. not worth of my time imo.