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in general, the more we discuss it here, the more confusing we drive it 
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I'm not confused at all... I'm very clear on how it have to be... I'm just not curtain on how to explain it in a satisfactory way.. 
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The wave function has been collapsed by the Flash Forward...it has been observed, and it can't be unobserved.
Now, the paths that people take to get there may be variable, but the 2 minutes and 17 seconds is set and will play out exactly as it must.
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My view is that everything that happens before Mars 16th (?) is fixed and can only happen in one way. I'm basing this on the fact that in the 2 minutes and 17 seconds, we could see that the flash had happened for them too. So the people in the flash had the exact same conditions and information as the "today people"... And for them to get to the point of the flash, they have to make the exact same decisions, and they will make them. They have no other choice... Whatever they do, they will do what the "future ones" did....
Do I make sense?
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you do make sence. but i kinda wanna argue a bit. the main lady, dr. olivia is desperately trying to avoid the future. is she really loves her man then i can't see what does he have to do to seperate them. and he is trying to stay away from the booze. ok he is obsessed on the solving of the thing, but still so far he has been perfect husband and father.
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I disagree with most of the theories here, ofcourse I am not saying the jibberish I am about to drop out here is close to right, but I think alot of people here have forgotten about the guy that saw the flash about his daughter and clearly she is dead, or at least what they have shown so it is possible that these flashes are not coming into fruition in some of these cases.
I think there can be two flashes being observed here.
My two theories are that:
(A)
these flashes are a view into possible alternate realities.... there seems to a be long standing theory that when you make decisions that this spawns different realities and timelines, and that these flashes are in some cases views into the "actual" futures or into alternate universe futures.
I mean a future has been changed already in the fact that they found what that "sick" guy in the last episode had therefore will have treatment and won't get black.
(B)
The other theory is. is that not everyone is seeing the flash at the same moment...up until this point it is all conjecture and theory about the flashes for everyone being on that exact date....it could turn out that the wedding happens on the actual date, and his flashes are actually from further down the road.
The lady with the intel briefing could just be reading a report that is fabricated due to his paranoia of being killed and trying to avoid that future...therefore they setup some kind of elaborate plan to that affect.
Like I said I am almost as clueless as everyone else here
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kirby wrote:
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(A)
these flashes are a view into possible alternate realities.... there seems to a be long standing theory that when you make decisions that this spawns different realities and timelines, and that these flashes are in some cases views into the "actual" futures or into alternate universe futures.
I mean a future has been changed already in the fact that they found what that "sick" guy in the last episode had therefore will have treatment and won't get black.
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If I understood it right, the guy will turn black and it can't be stopped. It just made a huge difference with the surgery, because (as we saw) it is somehow dangerous to operate on people with that specific disease.
kirby wrote:
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(B)
The other theory is. is that not everyone is seeing the flash at the same moment...up until this point it is all conjecture and theory about the flashes for everyone being on that exact date....it could turn out that the wedding happens on the actual date, and his flashes are actually from further down the road.
The lady with the intel briefing could just be reading a report that is fabricated due to his paranoia of being killed and trying to avoid that future...therefore they setup some kind of elaborate plan to that affect.
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If that's the case, then everyone is stupid as hell. I mean they verified that the flashes happened to everyone in the same moment (the blackout) and for the same date (two people saw each other and confirmed it).
I believe it is simpler. The flashes will come true and happen exactly as they were seen. The question is how they get there... Is the woman really the daughter? Who are the people, that break into an FBI building to kill someone? How and why will Dimitri be murdered? Is his fiancee lying about her flash? How can someone "do" this blackout and why should they? What was there intention?
For me: The questions are the way to go. Similar to Lost.
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It just made a huge difference with the surgery, because (as we saw) it is somehow dangerous to operate on people with that specific disease.
I believe it is simpler. The flashes will come true and happen exactly as they were seen. The question is how they get there... Is the woman really the daughter? Who are the people, that break into an FBI building to kill someone? How and why will Dimitri be murdered? Is his fiancee lying about her flash? How can someone "do" this blackout and why should they? What was there intention?
For me: The questions are the way to go. Similar to Lost.
i did understood from the episode, that something was broken inside that dude and had to be stitched up, so thats why the surgery.
well this is the main question. who benefited from this flash forward, for what purpose, and why did they do it in the 1st place? as we have seen, there was at least 1 person able to walk among them during this 2:17 blackout.
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kirby wrote:
I disagree with most of the theories here, ofcourse I am not saying the jibberish I am about to drop out here is close to right, but I think alot of people here have forgotten about the guy that saw the flash about his daughter and clearly she is dead, or at least what they have shown so it is possible that these flashes are not coming into fruition in some of these cases.
Seriously? The daughter is obviously dead? Have we seen her dead? Have we even seen her close to dead?
Come on! She is so obviously alive, that it's sad for me to have to point this out....!
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Seriously? The daughter is obviously dead? Have we seen her dead? Have we even seen her close to dead?
Come on! She is so obviously alive, that it's sad for me to have to point this out....!
If I remember correctly, the father dig up her grave and verified, that's his daughter (dentist proof or somehing?).
The more I think about the show, the more I like it...
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Mxyzptlk wrote:...
Seriously? The daughter is obviously dead? Have we seen her dead? Have we even seen her close to dead?
Come on! She is so obviously alive, that it's sad for me to have to point this out....!If I remember correctly, the father dig up her grave and verified, that's his daughter (dentist proof or somehing?).
Exactly... and you feel that to be enough evidence for you?
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Exactly... and you feel that to be enough evidence for you?
No, it isn't for me. But the question is, why should someone fake the death of the daughter? I mean it's definitely good covered. So what did she do or what ran she into? That's the interesting question.
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she is in the military. we all know what they do to military people.
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If that's the case, then everyone is stupid as hell. I mean they verified that the flashes happened to everyone in the same moment (the blackout) and for the same date (two people saw each other and confirmed it).
Well no they didn't, they verified that the flashes happened at the same time for some people...just because two people saw each other doesn't mean that the entire earth less two people were verified as having them on the same day.
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Seriously? The daughter is obviously dead? Have we seen her dead? Have we even seen her close to dead?
Come on! She is so obviously alive, that it's sad for me to have to point this out....!
I did write at least what they have shown to indicate that she is dead (the dna test result or what have you).
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well if all the ppl saw flashes. this brings me to a question. what happened to those people who were previously already sleeping. as we all know there can not be day everywhere in the world at the same time. in some part of the world there is night and people are actually sleeping. and how many people can remember their dreams. not much i would suggest.
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kirby wrote:
Mxyzptlk wrote:Seriously? The daughter is obviously dead? Have we seen her dead? Have we even seen her close to dead?
Come on! She is so obviously alive, that it's sad for me to have to point this out....!I did write at least what they have shown to indicate that she is dead (the dna test result or what have you).
The DNA-evidence, is to my belief, for the fathers benefit, not for ours... the writers put that in to make him doubt his vision and there will probably be a reason for that.
We don't think that she is dead, do we? I feel pretty confident on that she is not dead...
What do everyone else think? Is she dead, alive or is it to unclear to know?
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well this is hollywood. she is alive. but who would answer my question?
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well if all the ppl saw flashes. this brings me to a question. what happened to those people who were previously already sleeping. as we all know there can not be day everywhere in the world at the same time. in some part of the world there is night and people are actually sleeping. and how many people can remember their dreams. not much i would suggest.
I think it was concluded that if you didn't see anything in your flash, you were either dead, or sleeping... wasn't it?
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was it? ok. thnx for the answer.
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was it? ok. thnx for the answer.
Perhaps not concluded, but they said something about it... a speculation if you will, but it sounds pretty logical..
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Mxyzptlk wrote:godzionu wrote:was it? ok. thnx for the answer.
Perhaps not concluded, but they said something about it... a speculation if you will, but it sounds pretty logical..
they could test this in different ways?
one way would be to interview large groups of people and compare the number of people who didn't have a flashforward with the statistical number of people expected to die within 6 months.
also, if both being asleep and being dead result in not having a flash, it would help to make statistics about groups of people all over the world to see how the percentage varies depending on timezone.
Tell them.. not us! 
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nivalis wrote:Mxyzptlk wrote:Perhaps not concluded, but they said something about it... a speculation if you will, but it sounds pretty logical..
they could test this in different ways?
one way would be to interview large groups of people and compare the number of people who didn't have a flashforward with the statistical number of people expected to die within 6 months.
also, if both being asleep and being dead result in not having a flash, it would help to make statistics about groups of people all over the world to see how the percentage varies depending on timezone.Tell them.. not us!
seconded
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FlashForward along with Vampire Diaries now gone from my watchlist
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Was the last episode that bad? (I gave up after episode 2)
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