Topic: 5x16 & 5x17 (SPOILERS!)

ok so just finished watching it ...

Here are my general thoughts...

Jacob & OtherGodlyDude[OGD] are representations of GOOD vs EVIL (like God & Satan , but Egyptian style)

Jacob is trying to show the O.G.D. that there can be a group of people that can be civilized and be good... thus the reference to the Black Rock ship and othe OGD saying that "they'll fight... they'll corrupt" and Jacob is trying to prove him wrong

notice how all the civilizations there have started good, but ended up fighting amongst each other !

then . . . Jacob goes around gathering the Oceanic people, cuz he thinks putting them together will be his perfect group

Locke IS dead ... but O.G.D. is walking around looking like him

when JAcob is dying and says "they're coming" ... you'd think it's the Ajira people ith Richard & SUn & Lapidus ... but i think it's them AND THE REST OF THE OCEANIC BUNCH


nevertheless i'm pissed that it ended like that ... so in the air ! i mean ... not even a cliffhanger !

did they think the H-Bomb going off was gonna be a cliffhanger?  i mean we know they're not gonna kill everyone & they have to merge the two times!

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Did the Bomb go off, or it just a clever finish ??
i think that Jacob is not a god creature, he is middle managment to a bigger entity.
IS Jacob the good guy or he just seems that way. he manupulated the group for the entire episode raising the CHOICE but he pushed them to a certain path. this strategy did fail with ben.

If the bomb do go off , will it affect jacob and OGD ?!

finally the moral question in this series, choice of corruption vs choice to be good.

can't wait to see more, any one know when will it start again ????

I Am The Inevitable Conclusion Of My Past

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on the podcast last week they said eight months... sad

TeacherYorch wrote:

Jacob & OtherGodlyDude[OGD] are representations of GOOD vs EVIL (like God & Satan , but Egyptian style)

which kinda makes more sense than my first thought which was that jacob and the ogd are gods in exile, stranded on our plane of existence, playing a game of good vs evil...

edit: i reneg that agreement... the smoke monster/ogd IS Anubis... Jacob is Sobek...

TeacherYorch wrote:

did they think the H-Bomb going off was gonna be a cliffhanger?  i mean we know they're not gonna kill everyone & they have to merge the two times!

yeah, i think Jacob's comment that they're coming pretty much ensures that the 'marked ones' [notice that Jacob made physical contact with them all in some way in the flashbacks] will escape the blast and be flung back to 2007, but clearly their belief that they will be safe to continue on Oceanic flight 815 to LAX is not gonna happen...

i'm going to eat your brains and gain your memories...

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that was one hell of a cliff hanger, u'd assume the bomb went off, and yeah i think the reason jacob went to those people was to make sure they survived, and locke to heal him slightly, maybe he would have died if jacob hadn't touched him and presumably healed him.

i kinda got the sense that jacob and the other guy were brothers, and the other guy trapped jacob in the cabin to keep all the power of the island for himself, but jacobs plan was to bring all those people to the island to free him, so i'm gna guess jacob brought the black rock to the island because richard is on it and he needs to make richard imortal and or not age (he did say hes that way cus of jacob) so he can be present at all the most important times on the island

"city morgue, you kill em, we chill em"

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kabapy wrote:

Did the Bomb go off, or it just a clever finish ??

I'm pretty sure the bomb went off, as it made the explodie sound and that is the only episode that I remember that ends with a white background instead of black.

TeacherYorch wrote:

Jacob & OtherGodlyDude[OGD] are representations of GOOD vs EVIL (like God & Satan , but Egyptian style)

I'm don't think it's that cut and dried, I think it's more along the lines of Freewill(Choice) vs Destiny.  Though Jacob seems to be on both sides of the coin, what with his comments about them having to make a choice.  But also subtly pushing them in the direction he wants. For example with Swayer as a kid, the implication I got was that if Jacob hadn't given him a pen he would not have finished the letter and then would actually have let go of his hate eventually, thus not become a con man.

But then there is the whole tapestry theme that Jacaob has going, what with his comments about making the threads and all.

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Wow, that double episode was so good. Just wow.

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Dysan wrote:
kabapy wrote:

Did the Bomb go off, or it just a clever finish ??

I'm pretty sure the bomb went off, as it made the explodie sound and that is the only episode that I remember that ends with a white background instead of black.

more than just a white background, it was a negative... or a reversal, if you will... wink

i'm going to eat your brains and gain your memories...

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I thought this was going to be the ending of the show! WTF? Why can't they just write an ending and be done with it... stop dragging out the shows like this, make room for new stuff!

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dont worry, just one more season smile

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Mxyzptlk wrote:

I thought this was going to be the ending of the show! WTF? Why can't they just write an ending and be done with it... stop dragging out the shows like this, make room for new stuff!

and with that... y'r off my christmas card list buddy...

i'm going to eat your brains and gain your memories...

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Wow Lost keeps amazing me every ep over and over! This season finale was great! I stopped thinking what might happen 3 years ago because no one just ever gets it right.

It's a long wait for season six.. but if it's half as good as season 5 it'll be absolutely worth it big_smile

Oh and this show isn't dragged out, over 2 years ago they announced that the show would get a total of 6 seasons. Too bad all this will be over in about a year from now..

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theConundrumm wrote:
Mxyzptlk wrote:

I thought this was going to be the ending of the show! WTF? Why can't they just write an ending and be done with it... stop dragging out the shows like this, make room for new stuff!

and with that... y'r off my christmas card list buddy...

I'm not saying that this show is bad... it'd just unnecessarily long.. I want the answers, not more questions..

Saved?

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how bout we call that strike 1 wink

i'm going to eat your brains and gain your memories...

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theConundrumm wrote:

how bout we call that strike 1 wink

Fine... but if I don't strike out, I will be expecting a christmas card....

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All those flashbacks lately kind of make me seasick.
But, boring it is not, yet.

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deal..

i'm going to eat your brains and gain your memories...

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I liked it. It is more or less the only scripted US drama show left that I like. Looking forward to season 6.

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Jackal wrote:

Wow Lost keeps amazing me every ep over and over! This season finale was great! I stopped thinking what might happen 3 years ago because no one just ever gets it right.

It's a long wait for season six.. but if it's half as good as season 5 it'll be absolutely worth it big_smile

Oh and this show isn't dragged out, over 2 years ago they announced that the show would get a total of 6 seasons. Too bad all this will be over in about a year from now..

the original plan before season 4 started was 2 more seasons, 24 eps each -> total of 48 Eps... but... Writers' strike and all, they changed the plan to 3 seasons, 16 Eps each -> 48 Eps total...

It's gonna be 8 months now... enough time to re-watch all 5 Seasons smile which is exactly what I'm gonna do...

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lames finale ever :x

sorry, but in my opinion this show is going to nowhere - first it was action-adventure, then then put some mystery in it, then added some sci-fi elements and now I don't even know how to call it. They jump from the one thread to another, then leave it be (anyone still counting how many unexplained stuff they left just hanging out there?), but that wasn't enough - so let's add some flashbacks, and even let's split up our characters like 30 years in time from each other and now what I see - theories about Jesus and Satan? My fu*king  God (just an expression), gimme a break, I don't know why I'm still watching this show, call me masochist :S

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^M^ wrote:

lames finale ever :x

sorry, but in my opinion

and you ARE entitled to it, but...
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^M^ wrote:

this show is going to nowhere - first it was action-adventure, then then put some mystery in it, then added some sci-fi elements and now I don't even know how to call it. They jump from the one thread to another, then leave it be (anyone still counting how many unexplained stuff they left just hanging out there?), but that wasn't enough - so let's add some flashbacks, and even let's split up our characters like 30 years in time from each other and now what I see - theories about Jesus and Satan? My fu*king  God (just an expression), gimme a break, I don't know why I'm still watching this show, call me masochist :S

i can think of a few things to call you, eh...;) firstly... jesus and satan have nothing to do with it...it's a parallel... and this is the bit where i say: "lemme guess..., you like the kind of show that just rehashes itself ad nauseum, right... treads water just to save itself instead of doing something bold and way fucking out there... and then add: "regardless of what the naysayers have been naysaying, it's clear this show's backbone has been well thought and plotted out... i'll be the first to admit there have been moments where i doubted it was going anywhere real... but fuck, how can you look at the depth and genius of the storytelling here and knock it...

^M^ wrote:

...They jump from the one thread to another...

yes, i'm quoting you a bit out of context here... but... when you grab all those threads and weave them together the way Lost has/is, you have a tapestry [Something felt to resemble a richly and complexly designed cloth], right...

i'm going to eat your brains and gain your memories...

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and for the record... i have the watchlist sigs turned OFF... taking the effort to look at yours though, mr ^M^... most of those shows are what i call 'safe' shows... they are mostly pretty predictable, comfortable shows, driven by tired and cliche plot devices and shallow cookie cutter characters [Dexter being your one big exception]... so please, do me a favour... step back, open your mind, take a chance on something that may just make you stop and think just what it is it is trying to tell you... and fer christ's sake... smile... You're beautiful when you are happy....

i'm going to eat your brains and gain your memories...

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Yeah, watch something boring like BSG or Firefly

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or Dullhouse

...where did I put that rat's ass I could give?

Daemons are benevolent or benign nature spirits, beings of the same nature as both mortals and gods, similar to ghosts, chthonic heroes, spirit guides, forces of nature or the gods themselves.

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I feel like my personal space has just been raped a little bit : d

I expressed my opinion, and I'm not going to defend it in any way (lol), if you feel like you have to prove to yourself, to the world, whatever, that the show is worth watching, and indeed is written by geniuses - by my guest, for me it's going downhill and I stand by it, eot.

oh - 'bout the watchlist sig - don't treat it so seriously, really. If I fell like watching 'safe show with shallow characters' I'm simply doing it. Oh, how do you know they all that shallow (one exception, yea), did you also see it all?

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Hey now... don't diss BONES... I enjoy that show for it's simplicity... + Angela is HAWT... so shove it wink