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The movie? I think that I'm missing something... are we talking about Salvation here? Does Salvation have anything to do with this show? If it does, why the hell would they use Bale instead of Dekker?
Or are we talking about another movie that I have never heard of?

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I think he means Salvation but it prolly doesn't have anything to do with the show. Different storyline/timeline whatever. Although they could use Bale and not Dekker for John since Salvation is settled in 2018, nine years after the events in TSCC, so John would be nine years older.

Anyway, I don't think the show and the next terminator movie will be connected and I hope for another season or a good movie to finish up the storyline in TSCC.

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I'm pretty sure Salvation isn't/won't be linked to the series...

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Thanks for clearing that up for me smile

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Remember pretty much the same crazy stunt Jericho pulled at its last episode? On Jericho they tried to provide some quick-and-dirty closure. But here the guys clearly decided to do the opposite: anger all the fans so much with a cliffhanger so that they'd (hopefully?) start sending "nuts" for execs or something. A simpler way to end the whole shebang would be just to drop a fridge on John from the skies at the very last minute of the show. Now that'd be cool.

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If you think outside the box I think all the answers were there to be found in the last 4/5 episodes.

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maccool111 wrote:

If you think outside the box I think all the answers were there to be found in the last 4/5 episodes.

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I like that statement... smile Would you mint elaborate a bit?

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Halo2 wrote:

I wonder how John died, and if that future Cameron is human, the dogs certainly didn't seem to mind...

poncherello wrote:

I think its like the reverse of a Grandfather paradox, if John isn't there to order Kyle to go back to 1984 then technically John shouldn't be born at all and skynet wins.

Where did you guys get the idea that John died? Oh, I get it. I guess you think that John died and that's why Kyle and Derek are both alive and don't recognize John. Maybe, but I understood it a different way.

I think it's more like this: John time traveled to a point after Judgement day (as you saw) and that's how he survived the bombs. However, he didn't travel to a point AFTER everything we've seen in the "flash forwards". Instead, he went to a point BEFORE all of it. He nevers returns to the "present", so this is the first time that Kyle and Derek meet John, and from here on John becomes the leader of the resistance.

The girl is Allison Young, the human that Cameron is based off of (see S02E04 "Allison From Palmdale").

Halo2 wrote:

No, the T-1000/1's (ie, Weaver) asked will you join us back to Cameron... Cameron asked them (or got a message to them) in the future first (if that's possible being in the future). Also, I think it wasn't so much an actual question, but more a hidden message type thing, letting Cameron know who Weaver was.

That's right, Weaver asked Cameron. The answer "No" was for John Connor. The human resistance asked Weaver's faction to join them, but they refused. It's possible that Weaver was asking Cameron herself to betray the humans and join Weaver's faction. After all, Cameron IS a cyborg.

It's also possible that Cameron herself had asked Weaver's faction, telling them that it was John's idea (she can even replicate his voice if necessary). This might explain why Cameron wouldn't let Jessie tell John the answer in person.

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I just really hate the whole time traveling stuff... it can get so confusing.

It's all "wibbly-wobbly". wink

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This better get picked back up!!!  I HATE FOX!!!  ALWAYS KILLING GOOD SHOWS!!!  I swear if they can Dollhouse also, i will destroy them!!!  DESTROY THEM ALL!!!

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O-Deka-K wrote:

It's possible that Weaver was asking Cameron herself to betray the humans and join Weaver's faction. After all, Cameron IS a cyborg.

I'm pretty sure it's not after everything Weaver said about Skynet, John and John Henry...

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"Wibbly-Wobbly" indeed.

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interesting, but why was the T-1000 trapped/frozen in the submarine? if it was only to answer a question of trust?

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Maybe that's how the machines store them. It only took human form when it came into contact with that woman... If it couldn't take another form that would mean it hadn't of any contact before, as that's the only way they can copy things.

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On an other note... Is robot-cameron in love with John? He obviously has the hots for her (who wouldn't), but is it possible that she has some weird abnormality that would actually allow her to feel human feelings... kinda like Robin Williams in bicentennial man

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The whole "Robot-in-love" thing is so 1960's. All she needs to do now is cry.

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Fine.. but do you think she has the reproductive parts... so some action would be, in theory, possible?

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actually she did cry? when john was about to kill her, when she said she loved him, cant remember if there was tears.

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@ Moze: I don't think she had tears.

@ Mxyzptlk: I think that the action is going to happen between John and the "real" Cameron. He has feelings for her, and now he gets to explore them with the real girl, but first he has to win her over.

I truly hope they renew the show at least to give it some closure. This just sucks!

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I'll look in to the tear-thing..

And of course he's gonna get it on with the real Cameron (or Allison Young, if I remember correctly wink).. that's why they introduced her smile

Edit: Nope, no tears...

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Halo2 wrote:

I'm pretty sure it's not after everything Weaver said about Skynet, John and John Henry...

What I mean is that Weaver is part of a faction that is working against Skynet, but apparently didn't want to join the human resistance.

Wait a minute... in "Allison From Palmdale", Cameron stole Allison's identity in order to meet with John. She claimed that she was part of a group that wanted "peace". When Allison said that she would never help Cameron, Cameron killed her and took her pass (a bracelet). We know that Cameron was later captured and reprogrammed to work for John. Was Cameron originally part of the same faction as Weaver then?

Maybe something happened that made them change their minds about the joining up. Why did Weaver travel back in time in the first place? Why are they researching AI in John Henry? Why WEREN'T they reverse engineering Cromartie/JH's body?

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Moze wrote:

interesting, but why was the T-1000 trapped/frozen in the submarine? if it was only to answer a question of trust?

Maybe that's how the machines store them.

But why were they delivering the T-1001 to John in the first place? Just so that it/she could answer him in person? Wouldn't this put John in unnecessary danger?

We saw Cameron admit that "deep down", she still wanted to kill John, but her reprogramming prevented her from doing so. Maybe that's why she was trying to deliver the T-1001 to John. But then again, why would she be so anxious to get the answer from Jesse (implying that she didn't know)? Do AI's have a "subconscious" mind?

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I think that Cameron was always a part of the original "evil-robot-team" like Arnold, but was reprogrammed.
But there is something about her.. I get the feeling that she has some kind of defect that makes her more human and receptive to emotions... but I'm not sure..

Weaver seams to have another agenda, though... I'm not sure if she always had the same agenda, but now it seams that she want to create a future where humans and robots can co-exist... Perhaps that would be a reason to try and teach John Henry the human values... perhaps she wants to base all future machines on him.

Oh, and it would be kinda funny if they had a subconscious mind smile I guess they do... but they're just more conscious about it, than we are tongue

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I was watching Rise of the Machines and thought about when the hot robot-chick dies, she really shows fear in her eyes... what's up with that?

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Bad robot acting? wink

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Or perhaps movie-producers expect a lesser minded audience, than tv-producers?

But that sounds kind of weird? hmm

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There may be hope yet!

http://io9.com/.../dollhouse-and-terminator-really-not-canceled-yet-say-insiders

It may not be cancelled after all (but the ratings aren't that great either, so here's hoping it comes back). Brian Austin Green had this to say about the intended next season:

You have this episode where John Connor travels to a future where John Connor never existed. I don't know if people completely get it because we work on a string theory, which we've dealt with during the season... For John Connor to travel to a future where he never existed, where Kyle Reese never left, where Derek and Kyle are still fighting side by side, where Allison (the human Cameron was based on) is still very much present, what becomes of John?

Sounds awesome! Guess I was wrong about him traveling to a time before everything happened though. There's more if you want to read it.