Topic: Similarity between this and Asimov's Foundation series

If any of you have read the foundation series by Issac Asimov, I would like your opinion on this.

Isnt the whole thing turning out to be like the foundation series where the cylons from earth expected the 12 colonies to fall due to some struggle, like their own did, and they planted the seed and guided the fate such that a newer and more stable empire will be built based on some pre-determined conflicts.

This is my opinion anyway, i would like to hear yours.

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I wouldn't have thought there were many old enough on N.E. to have heard of the Foundation Series let alone to have read it.

You may have a point.

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I am 23 and have read it. You dont need to be born when it was published to have read it.

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well i have read Foundation Series quite a lot of times. 10 atleast.
and jaykarnik you are way off. in foundation the conflicts were not pre-determined.
and there was always the second foundation and R. Daneel Oliwaw to guide 1st foundation back to its track when something was messed up.   
in BSG cylons definately are not on that position. i wouldn't say that nuking 15 billion people is something good. and leaving only 40k alive, out of witch some of them are seriously ill etc.

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Also, 20 here and chewed through all of them quite happily, though 1st 3 were definitely much better than the rest of the books.

Yeah, Cylons are more like ethnic cleansers than saviors. The proposition that give them hell so only truly righteous could emerge doesn't seem like a valid approach. Unless they have a Hari Seldon stashed away somewhere... Besides such a plot would seem a little empty, it doesn't look as if their main goal is to help humans, it's more like they think that humans are in the way of their exploration and needed to be get rid of before they could continue their search.

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In the foundation series they could not stop the fall of the galactic empire, only make sure that a newer empire would emerge much faster than the estimated time. In the same way, the cylons from earth could not stop the destruction of the 12 colonies, but only make sure that the the newer empire would be forged stronger than the old one.

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imo cylons have never mentioned empire.

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can any1 tell me a scifi story that dont have elements from Asimov's books?

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Hr. Ulottuvuus wrote:

can any1 tell me a scifi story that dont have elements from Asimov's books?

G. W. Bush's administration tongue

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Hr. Ulottuvuus wrote:

can any1 tell me a scifi story that dont have elements from Asimov's books?

dude get a life. as much as i love Asimov, even i don't like to read all the time only his books, or books resembling his style. there are tons of great writers out there.
i start from the older ones.
Sir Arthur C. Clarke - # Childhood's End (1953)
# The City and the Stars (1956)
# 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) - read also the following books of this series. 2010, 2061 and 3001
# Rendezvous with Rama (Hugo and Nebula Award) (1972)
ok it takes forever to name also the books so i stick with the authors.
Clifford D. Simak
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Dan Simmons and his 4 Hyperion books
Iain M. Banks and his 7 Culture books
and the list goes one and one...

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godzionu wrote:
Hr. Ulottuvuus wrote:

can any1 tell me a scifi story that dont have elements from Asimov's books?

dude get a life. as much as i love Asimov, even i don't like to read all the time only his books, or books resembling his style. there are tons of great writers out there.
i start from the older ones.
Sir Arthur C. Clarke - # Childhood's End (1953)
# The City and the Stars (1956)
# 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) - read also the following books of this series. 2010, 2061 and 3001
# Rendezvous with Rama (Hugo and Nebula Award) (1972)
ok it takes forever to name also the books so i stick with the authors.
Clifford D. Simak
Douglas Adams
Dan Simmons and his 4 Hyperion books
Iain M. Banks and his 7 Culture books
and the list goes one and one...

And don't forget William Shakespeare and his "Hamlet"

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kaibren wrote:

And don't forget William Shakespeare and his "Hamlet"

comon dude...Shakespeare is not sci-fi. its a true story.

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godzionu wrote:

comon dude...Shakespeare is not sci-fi. its a true story.

true story?? Dude... Hamlet dad was a... [spoiler coming.... ] ghost!? freaking ghost!!!!

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godzionu wrote:
Hr. Ulottuvuus wrote:

can any1 tell me a scifi story that dont have elements from Asimov's books?

dude get a life. as much as i love Asimov, even i don't like to read all the time only his books, or books resembling his style. there are tons of great writers out there.
i start from the older ones.
Sir Arthur C. Clarke - # Childhood's End (1953)
# The City and the Stars (1956)
# 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) - read also the following books of this series. 2010, 2061 and 3001
# Rendezvous with Rama (Hugo and Nebula Award) (1972)
ok it takes forever to name also the books so i stick with the authors.
Clifford D. Simak
Douglas Adams
Dan Simmons and his 4 Hyperion books
Iain M. Banks and his 7 Culture books
and the list goes one and one...

I think I've read all of them... Not much Simak though. And Banks has a few more than 7 culture books big_smile

I'm pretty sure i've read the rest though big_smile

And the Cylons could've prevented the fall of the 12 colonies by not destroying them...

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I also like Isaac Asimov and read the Foundation. But my favorite is still the Rama Series by Arthur C. Clarke.

mlin wrote:
Hr. Ulottuvuus wrote:

can any1 tell me a scifi story that dont have elements from Asimov's books?

G. W. Bush's administration tongue

That's not Sci-Fi thats the Dark Ages tongue

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how many books there is in Rama series. in estonian there is only 1.

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There are four:

1 - Rendezvous with Rama
2 - Rama II
3 - The Garden of Rama
4 - Rama Revealed

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And Gentry Lee continued the series with:

5 - Bright Messengers
6 - Double Full Moon Night

And I just found a nice 3 min movie

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ahh great video. and thnx for the book listing

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If you want really great Sci-Fi books then I can whole heartedly recommend the pre-quels to Dune. They are co-written by Frank Herberts son and a dude I can't remember and are supposed to be based on notes found after Herbert's death. They explain a hell of a lot about the original Dune series and are a great read on their own.

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my grandpa gave me a box of old books years ago that he picked up at a garage sale for 5$... rendezvous with rama was the only one i read... awesome, awesome book... then about a week later i read that david fincher planned to make a moving picture thingy of it... ::drool::... didn't happen, but boy do i hold out hope...

edit: and should i read the rest of the series...?... i'm a bit of a lazy novel reader... unless someone hands me a book, i'm pretty slack... but if RwR is anything to go by... i could see myself making an effort....

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damn i wish i had a grandpa like that. or any grandpa at all.

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theConundrumm wrote:

my grandpa gave me a box of old books years ago that he picked up at a garage sale for 5$... rendezvous with rama was the only one i read... awesome, awesome book... then about a week later i read that david fincher planned to make a moving picture thingy of it... ::drool::... didn't happen, but boy do i hold out hope...

edit: and should i read the rest of the series...?... i'm a bit of a lazy novel reader... unless someone hands me a book, i'm pretty slack... but if RwR is anything to go by... i could see myself making an effort....

Dude, do NOT read the rest of the series! Rendezvous with Rama is the only one written by Clarke alone, on the rest of them he had "help" from Gentry Lee, as mentioned above.
While the first book is great, the rest of the series is not even close to good.

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I wouldn't say the rest was bad. Wasn't the best though. Kinda overdone.

Also there are some contemporary authors to read: Aforementioned Iain M. Banks and also Alastair Reynolds.

And how many of you have read Stanislaw Lem? Most I've read from him is excellent.

And do you read short stories too? Anthologies I mean. Best one I know is "Flowers for Algernon". I've read it 5 times over a decade and it never gets old.

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aye, i like the anthology books. i've got the DAW 30th anniversary in my bag for the commute to work atm. always had a soft spot for frederik pohl, though nothing else in the book has struck me as anything special. flowers for algernon is one i'm always getting recommended, but haven't gotten around to... yet. i love vonnegut... his books have that 'pick them up and open to any page and start reading' quality that suits my lifestyle...

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And how many of you have read Stanislaw Lem? Most I've read from him is excellent.

I have archival issues of "Fantastyka" (from 1976 or so), a magazine in which Lem wrote hist first stuff. I love Golem's Monologues by Lem.
Btw you invoked this warm feeling that you read him. He's a Pole and it's always nice to see that people know who he is abroad wink.

btw. Dune anyone?

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