Torchwood s02e01

I thought it was ok... Masters was good though, I can't really say I thought the same about the story line.

BBC HD .... I have to say that the quality (picture wise) was superb .. can’t wait for the free to air BBC HD satellite service to go live ... yeh i know a little off topic and who here watches live tv ....

I will politely disagree, but I shall give you your day in court. What episode of Torchwood would you say is better?

Yep

Though to be honest I'm not into this men kissing thing... It would be fine if they were both gay, but it's a bit weird as Marsters isn't.

I don't really get the whole "if they were both gay, but Marsters isn't" angle. The whole point is that Marsters is an actor, a professional. He is able to do his job even if he doesn't find it sexually stimulating. He has acted trough a rape scene, which shouldn't indicate that it would be somewhat better or more right if he, as a person, would like trying to rape women.
Similarly, we have seen Jack kissing girls - does that disturb you?

I would find the whole thing bothersome if I knew that the actors would just do what came to them naturally*, and would only show tenderness or sexual desire toward people they actually - as a people - found attractive. I mean, if we start talking about shooting people and arch villains which the heroes hate..

Just for clarification; I'm not claiming you as anti-queer or something. Just trying to rationalize the whole thing away

True, the plane-episode was very good. Any other episodes? You guys talked about plural..
I have identified what this episode had that the last season didn't; humour. The last season took itself way too seriously for a series that is a spin-off something as light-hearted as Doc Who. Now we got humour that was suitable for the premises (murdering as an addiction) and even some visual gags (like the goldfish giving way to the granny). I think the humour was the thing I was left wanting last year. It's great they identified the hole and did something for it.

*does anyone know from whom I stole that phrase?

Fair enough. I suppose the point where we differ is that you expect the characters to act as do the actors in private life? Valid point, and I can list a good amount of actors to whom this applies.

As you probably said, them kissing people other than their preferred sex in a convincing way is a testament to their skill. I don't really know about you (I think this might have something to do with personal views as well as culture) but I don't really see anything particularly shocking in kissing.
I don't get what makes men attractive (I'm just not build that way), but I could see myself kissing one - particularly if it would be an expectation in my job. To put it another way; kissing people of your favoured gender is like eating a smoothie made from fresh berries. Kissing people of the other gender is more like potato mash - not bad, but you'd rather take the smoothie.

But back to professionalism. I see actors (particularly in B- and C-class films) where it's very clear that the actors can only work as long as the characters are within their own personal "comfort zone". As soon as they start to shoot guns or kiss men, they stop acting and go into the "here goes nothing"-routine. And all their characters, no matter the movie, end up looking pretty much the same.

But the kissing thing, and the whole "you were the wife" routine? I found that surprising, and even a bit scandalous. Thus far we have gotten some pecks to the cheeks or at most romantic kisses - now we got ones full of lust. THIS is a way to write adult scifi-show that spins from Doctor Who. Not by having subplots about adultery and who's sleeping with whom (even though I fully expect to see some of that this season as well).
Safe to say that I loved the small retooling they did.

I really loved this episode, and I too feel that it is much better than most (if not all) of series one. The humor issue was a big deal. Not so much a big deal for the show overall, but more a big deal for the character or Capt. Jack. I fell in love with Jack Harness when he was in Doctor Who; the main reason, was his off the cuff sense of humor and unabashed openness of the character. Then he gets to Torchwood, and he is uber-serious, and I am thinking, this is not the Jack Harkness I fell in love with.

I do understand that as leader of Torchwood and thus responsible for the safety of his crew, plus the whole of Earth, there is bound to be a lot more seriousness (mostly maturity) to the character. But to wipe him clean of all sense of humor altogether, when he was such an effervescent personality? OUCH!!!

Series two has started off with a bang, and I for one hope they never lose that spark. Yes, there were some fantastically deep emotional episodes towards the end of series one, and yes I do hope these will return as well. But it is so nice to the show as a whole loosen up a bit.

Bravo to series two so far, and hope it continues to get better from here.

I've only watched season one once, and I watched this episode once, so without researching I can't give you exact named examples, though I really enjoyed the last two eps of Torchwood last season, plus the one with the flight from the past, and the cannibals in the farmlands, and this, I enjoyed about the same as those I'd say, but I certainly wasn't blown away by some huge sudden increase in quality over the better episodes from last season, that's all I'm saying. I had a good time, but it wasn't revelatory to me or anything.

If it was for you then more power to ya.

The one thing I will give this ep points for though is that we got to see more of fun Doctor Who era Jack, over serious Torchwood season 1 Jack, which was refreshing.

PW?

Tnx now I can go to bed

dang it... did not need to hear that... they came out guns a blazing, and what now, have shot their load only two episodes in?

[episode 2 now slips to the bottom of this weeks watchlist]