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Just watched it last night.  Felt like a cross between "Clockwork Orange" and Bronson's "Death Wish" meets "The Punisher".
"Bit of the ole ultra violence" scored to happy music was very Clockwork Orange.

Trivia: The working title was "The Dark Night" but had to change that over legalities of confusion with Batman franchise.

And it shows.  They were clearly going for a messed up, rich kid with a huge morality-driven code.  Then they screwed that up.

What I liked:

• It echo'd the public feeling of being sick of having migrant "diversity is our strength" being shoved down everyone's throat while we all know the violence rising 1500%.

• The use of social media within the movie gave the audience something to connect with.  Those posts were just like the ones we've seen or even made.

• We'd all like to be Sanders and just take out the trash, but few will stand up even a little to protect someone on a bus that's being bullied.

• Basically Sanders was on his way to being a real-life Batman-esque type, having family wealth as a public persona and way to fund his extracurricular hobby.

What REALLY bothered me:
The hero stopped being a hero or having any kind of moral compass when he

I think a huge percentage of citizens in every Western country is in favor of running off (not harming) Islamist invaders and I think despite all the issues with the character's wildly cycling moral compass that's what is connecting with SO MANY people.  We all overlook bad things in a movie if there's enough good things. We'll ignore plot holes and inconsistencies if we like the other 80% and that's what is happening here.

I just wish they didn't make him out to be such an off-the-rails type.  If they had done the same movie, but stuck with the tight ethical compass of only taking out bad guys... Really lean in to using the corporate power base to affect positive change by thwarting gov't efforts to facilitate the mass influx...  Using the real estate company to squeeze out migrants  "Hey, you know the rule: We only rent to citizens."... basically using every tool in the tool box to claw back the country one block at a time the same way it was taken... it would have been a much better story and more likely to spawn sequels. 

If they had kept the hero moral and sane, I could see a second that exposed more of his companies working different angles, a spreading network of other businesses and business owners that all band together to not hire them, using his position to influence banks to not make loans, pressuring city workers to not issue building permits... basically making it too impractical if not impossible to stay... as well as his continued personal efforts to clear up the criminals - basically showing a two-pronged approach of Batman-style crusader, and a Bruce Wayne corporate level influencer.

Maybe even have the sequels in different countries doing the same thing.  That kinda makes sense as he's trying to influence the public to take back their country so he would do it in places other than just Europe.  Second movie in Canada shows some of his other companies.  Third in the USA.  Each revealing more and more of a larger web as Sander goes after bigger targets like human trafficking groups.

Hot damn.  And I guess I predicted well with the shift to other countries.
I hope they re-align the moral compass so he's taking out *JUST* the bad guys.

I can differentiate the drug dealers and sex workers because those are 'by choice' issues.  An addict is an addict by their own hand, where a rape victim is a victim of someone else's choices and behaviors.  The sex workers are a gray area as portrayed in the movie.  In the UK prostitution is legal for a single person on premises, but not for multiple which was clearly shown in the film.  But the law is vague about its definition of 'premises'.  If that was an apartment block, and each of those workers were the legal tenant of a unit, the unit is a 'residence' but does that make the building one 'premises' or are each flat its own 'premises'?  Since Sanders asked the hooker about her pimp and she didn't dispute having one I'm sure its operating as a brothel which is illegal.  But none of the girls looked strung out, black & blue or coerced.  Sometimes you have to accept the best of the worst.  All bars serve booze, but they don't all condone drug dealing inside. I'm sure its the same with brothels: Some are legal, decent and clean like in Nevada and others are seedy, unchecked and slave trading.  We don't know really what the one in the movie is.

Maybe that's Sanders' distinction: The line between choice and victim.  But that doesn't explain the car he forced off the road.  He may also be lumping all the cops under the umbrella of 'the system is condoning it' - and when you see real-world videos of cops choosing to harass British citizens about British flags because they make the Muslims feel uncomfortable…  Well… I still see them as individual officers making a choice but I can see how someone like that already on the ragged edge just lumps them all together.  Its not right and its what I mean when I hope they re-focus his moral compass for the second movie.

drug dealers kill more people then guns do, more then any other cause other then old age.
supporting that is on the same level as supporting terrorists, nazis, war criminals etc

there is likely not one in 100 sex workers who does not have massive amounts of trauma directly responsible for her/him being in that profession. the only reason the profession exists is a sad commentary on the human condition.

killing a teenage girl for what she posted online is not justice.
killing parents of a child for defending that child no matter the crime is not justice.
killing someone driving down the road to make a abstract point, is not justice.
planned mass murdering random police officers is not justice

that is the facts of the movie.
it does not even show that the protagonist even investigated the crime. just went with what the media said.
and that is just lazy irresponsible work, considering the only judgment was death

the protagonist is a lazy useless rich psycho, who likely learned his values as a soldier ( which was mentioned in the movie)  committing war crimes in far away places that forced people to immigrate  other counties. 

he is the reason why we have so many problems today.
and the people we voted into office to cause those migrations.

that is what is missed.

the show is made in the cheapest way possible to maximize profits from a
serious situation. it depicts the same level of story-line as a government
propaganda film from the 40's and about the same level of honesty

about the same as rambo 2 Russian blood bath in Afghanistanan
you remember when rambo and the CIA trained osamba bin launin.?????

ok this could a very long time and a lot of history...
but 95% of immigrants in Europe moved from their original country because of actions of the western world.
are you going to deny the west destroyed the ottoman empire after ww1 and carved up the middle east into "mandates" of areas run by western countries where the people were treated like slaves?
are you going to deny that the nazis and the English waged war across northern Africa in ww2 displacing millions?
or that the west toppled Libya and displaced a few million there in 2011?
or russia invaded Afghanistan in the 80's where the USA  and the west TRAINED and armed every terrorist group active today and the last 30 years?  ( remember rambo 2???)
the USA and the west toppled the democratic government of iran  in 1953?
funded the invasion  and creation of israel  1948? displacing 750000 people and burning 500 villages to the ground?
the west funded revolution in Syria since the day it was declared free from frances overloadship in 1946.
even going so far as saying they had weapons of mass destruction like iraq.
remember the second iraq war where they displaced 4 million people and killed 300000 civilians?
or the first iraq war where the west left over 2 million landmines and millions of radioactive 33mm tank busting
ammo across the area?( yes the usa makes and sells millions of land mines for 3rd world nations every year)

>Mate - We're having a good back and forth here.  And we can keep doing that until the cows come home.
But as soon as you CHOOSE to start inventing shit against the military, as a way to support a position we're going to have a problem.
• He was in the military.  Special Forces.  That's established.  Along with some awards on the father's shelf for distinguished service and honorable discharge.  That's ALL that is established.
• I'm going to ask you once, don't start casually throwing about that being in the military is where he learned any fked up values or really stretching that he committed war crimes just by virtual of having served.

name one point where the civilian deaths can be justified and how allowing those deaths even supporting them is anything but supporting war crimes. and remember the vast majority of those civilian deaths were either targeted SMART WEAPONS or point blank range with assault rifles.   not mass blind bombing like ww2
people learn what is good and proper,  by what the authorities do not punish every day around them.
(Haditha massacre, where U.S. Marines killed 25 unarmed Iraqi civilians, including women and children, on November 19, 2005. the Nisour Square massacre, where Blackwater contractors killed 17 Iraqi civilians on September 16, 2007 ( all free men)) ( and yes both france and the uk said they will not even investigate war crimes by their own troops)
all that history has caused the immigration crisis today,  and  the usa and israel attacking more places this year means it is going to get worse.  every western nation is losing population not counting immigration.

and yes your parents voted for the politicians who drove those wars and the crimes covered up. they and the voters who supported them are responsible for the problems of today.

now lets talk about western faith and what crimes it supports in other countries shall we?
the chosen people of god, the mud people, the beasts, the promised land. etc...
maybe we should leave something alone.
Isaiah 13:16 – “Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.”
well not completely alone

yes there is a lot of immigrant crime. but is it any more then crime from others?
( im sure the hells angels are committing plenty and very very bad crimes all over europe
when was the last time they were in the news?) ( not a lot of immigrants can afford a $40000 motorcycle and the HA would not have them)
to believe  immigrants are more evil because their way of life is different would mean that you would have to believe the only reason the uk does not have mass shootings every week is the lack of guns only. but the many many people of england ( just like the  ones in the usa ) WANT to shoot and mass kill but don't have the tools to do so, they are a very similar society and has very similar values. or is shared values not included in that ?? ( mass shooting are usually done by european christian men in the usa)

250000 rapes in the UK alone by one group? you could not hide that story any more then they can hide
the failures of the NHS, and it would be leaked by the same people. doctors and nurses. unless you think health works would support such a cover up

and yes dealers are killing their customers, just the same as if you poison them.
if someone begs you to poison them and they die, you killed them

there was a rape of a 13 year old girl by 5 boys at a rave party. that was the government outrage story.
the real story was the 13 year girl sucked  x5 on camera, in front of a crowd of 30 for popularity.
but since she was under age, its defined as rape.
that is a future sex worker... there is no good part of that story or her future life.
most places anything under 14 and sex is rape. no matter how willing. and it should be considered such.
14 year olds are morons. but try stopping boys and girls being naked together. good luck

but no different when a dealer sells drugs to a 13 year old at a rave
or do you consider that ok? they did ask for the drugs right?
( and no not one dealer would care what the age is if the money is right
and most would not even take money is she looked good. then where is society
when 13 years can trade sex for drugs)

i love to debate things. but people get very angry when verifiable facts don't match their viewpoint.
but i only care about the facts.
how about you?

where were we.
right
the protagonist is just a racist psycho killing for his own enjoyment in the movie. the movie ignores the causes and issues involved and only speaks to a simple ideas, much like the ideas that started the problem originally.

wow i even avoided Vietnam, US-Afghanistan, the falkland islands,panama, and a whole bunch of other examples

just the facts.
when 80000 civilians are a acceptable loss for 10000 targets, the military is a joke.
that no military of any western nation has said " that ratio is too high" tells the world what they believe
civilization is in decay, and not from immigration. .
the science and numbers are facts.

much like this movie and the suggestion the protagonist is anything but a racist targeting a very particular group only.
only by ignoring reality can the movie and its subject matter ever be approved of.
but you can be entertained without approving the subject
they used to hang people or feed them to the lions as entertainment for some.

i personally think we need more people in the military. but ones who are willing
to give their lives to protect people, much the same as we need police who are willing to run
into a dangerous situation regardless of the danger to save lives.
because you cannot defend your house, while standing in someones else house

I haven't watched the film, but it's on my list. Yeah, Uwe Boll generally sucks, so I'm waffling on Citizen Vig.
Is it possible the film starts out as a "yay the bad guys get what they deserve" but then the audience is made aware that "justice is subjective" and the character devolves into "good guys can become bad guys given enough power or encouragement"?

All films were basically using that loophole at the time and it wasn't what made Uwe Boll make it. Uwe Boll developed one of the largest indie distribution networks in the movie industry, it meant he could make any movie and make money on it. This is the reason why he got big because everyone saw these.. to put it mildly.. mediocre films, everyone knew them because they had been on some late night television even people outside of the franchises.

The reason why his movies are perceived poor is because his design philosophy having come from German television was that you would only shoot a scene once or twice, the editing work was mediocre, very little was spend on VFX where as Hollywood spends endless money on making actors come off well in the 15th shot or whatever, it's all polished up forever while Uwe Boll wants to try and extract the actual talent from actors. Many actors really like Uwe Boll for this reason but it's like comparing you know.. cake(Hollywood) with a beef(Uwe Boll) and yes obviously the kids wants cake everytime.

Apologies for the miscommunication: I won't be watching any of his movies because he's a jackass and a hack. The rest of that was just "you may remember him from". That actors still like working with him, if true, would kinda put him in one category with Michael Bay which... is not much better.

That's fine, I've grown to like his work. It's like art where you start by hating or not understanding what you're looking at but then you see the next one and the next.. and then you start appreciating small parts, you start seeing what he is trying to do.

That's not saying that this recent success won't go to his head.

so THAT is why the DUKES of HAZARD was so popular and ground breaking..... new laws...

Yeah, that's not what an honor culture is, an honor culture is one that upholds the honor of the victim and their family/clan/etc.

See the non- in front A non-enlightenment justice, something that isn't driven by "Human Progress".