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Re: Pluribus [Drama, Sci-Fi]

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Yes, I also think that here the idea is that hive will end up with building a huge antenna to "spread" further.

Light speed travel for any biological life form is completely out of the question, even traveling at 0.2c requires such tech that it exists just in our wild and very, very theoretical dreams smile Our current rather realistic dream is to achieve 0.0001c (c - speed of light). And even at 0.2c travel times just in our "neighborhood" is something 20-200 years.

So, if we assume that they have the same travel restrictions as we have and instead resorted to blasting radio signals into space (we also do the same) next questions are when they started to do it and what they actually sent. We monitor such signals since around 60-ies. But, even if it is some carbon based life form sending messages, totally possible that they were sending not some virus, but let's say a cure for a cancer smile Because even if somewhere else would evolve life similar as here, it would not be the same, because such virus is dependant on local evolutionary factors. Like we need to update flu vaccines non-stop, because they target a very specific and changing thing. But to come up with something that turns humans into a hive, somebody would need to have a rather recent our DNA specification. That's why imo it's more likely that hive mind is a side effect/accidental malware not the intention of the original signal. Like don't plug in your computer USB flash drives you find on the street smile Unless we go into super exotic territory like Quantum consciousness theories and that the virus changed some properties of microtubules which we assume evolve everywhere the same and unlocked the hive communication via something we simply don't know exists/is possible smile

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g371 wrote:

S01E05, this is turning into the right amount of fucked up and hilarious

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Fine. Good riddance! Fuck you!!!!!!!1 big_smile

In the end of the episode I assume that they are processing into smoothies their expired hive workers - nutritious and effective, why waste a perfectly good food source.

That grave and police car scene also was 10/10.

Yes, good episode.

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When she entered cold storage, I immediately thought about:

"Soylent Green is people!!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UPDUpjkHg0

smile

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Not sure if they changed the Director or DOP for this latest ep 1x05 but wow the photography really stood out in this one.
As for the storyline, I really enjoyed it.

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Episode 5...good episode.

Again a great episode for Carol and her character development, I like everything about her.
World building...well, more than the last two episodes at least smile

g371 wrote:

S01E05, this is turning into the right amount of fucked up and hilarious

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Fine. Good riddance! Fuck you!!!!!!!1 big_smile

In the end of the episode I assume that they are processing into smoothies their expired hive workers - nutritious and effective, why waste a perfectly good food source.

That grave and police car scene also was 10/10.

Regarding your spoiler, that is also my guess. First thing that popped into my head, even before she made that face smile

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I also thought she was going to take a sip from the mystery milk smile

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55 (edited by lighton 2025-12-07 12:10:01)

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1x6

Well, that was interesting... smile

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John Cena's explainer video was the best part. big_smile

Pluribus — John Cena Explains HDP | Scene | Apple TV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLr1hgAgDdU

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lighton wrote:

1x6

Well, that was interesting... smile

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John Cena's explainer video was the best part. big_smile

And, at least to me, that was the creepiest scene of the whole episode! 😳😂😂

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I love how they pass on to a viewer the annoyance of listening to that "we need some space" recorded message smile

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g371 wrote:
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I love how they pass on to a viewer the annoyance of listening to that "we need some space" recorded message smile

Yea, after the second time you could tell it was starting to get very annoying.  Every time it starts now, I am just laughing.

It's is just long enough to be annoying, but not long enough to be unfunny annoying.

DRM "manages access" in the same way that Prison "manages freedom".
http://xkcd.com/488/

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lighton wrote:

1x6

Well, that was interesting... smile

Spoiler

John Cena's explainer video was the best part. big_smile

He never fails to entertain smile

I think we are finally getting where I had hoped the show would be three episodes ago, looking forward to the next episode.

Spoiler

They can't pick an apple but they have no problem carving and mincing up dead bodies??

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WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:
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They can't pick an apple but they have no problem carving and mincing up dead bodies??

It makes sense from their perspective:

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They won't pick an apple from a tree, but have no problem using it once the tree released the apple. So, they won't kill humans, but after death it's just something 'on the ground' for them to pick up and put to use. smile

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That apple statement imo is weak, because you can slap it with a logic from multiple sides.

1) By picking up apples from the ground you are taking away food from birds, random small animals, worms etc. etc. (chances are you are killing some of them by starving them)

2) Apple tree actually "wants" you to pick apples (to spread seeds)

3) You can plant billions of apple trees and not starve even if you are allowed just to pick up stuff from the ground

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g371 wrote:
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That apple statement imo is weak, because you can slap it with a logic from multiple sides.

1) By picking up apples from the ground you are taking away food from birds, random small animals, worms etc. etc. (chances are you are killing some of them by starving them)

2) Apple tree actually "wants" you to pick apples (to spread seeds)

3) You can plant billions of apple trees and not starve even if you are allowed just to pick up stuff from the ground

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1) and 2) may not apply because of "their" logic.

3) is interesting, but it might just take too long to grow new trees that produce enough apples.

Somewhere on Reddit, someone is probably already doing the math. big_smile

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lighton wrote:
g371 wrote:
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That apple statement imo is weak, because you can slap it with a logic from multiple sides.

1) By picking up apples from the ground you are taking away food from birds, random small animals, worms etc. etc. (chances are you are killing some of them by starving them)

2) Apple tree actually "wants" you to pick apples (to spread seeds)

3) You can plant billions of apple trees and not starve even if you are allowed just to pick up stuff from the ground

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1) and 2) may not apply because of "their" logic.

3) is interesting, but it might just take too long to grow new trees that produce enough apples.

Somewhere on Reddit, someone is probably already doing the math. big_smile

g371 wrote:
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I love how they pass on to a viewer the annoyance of listening to that "we need some space" recorded message smile


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Even then, apples are only one example. There's plenty of short-lived organisms, especially insects, that you could easily give an amazing life to and then simply collect the bodies shortly thereafter. Besides, the human body needs quite a few things that aren't just "protein", and consuming only liquids isn't very healthy either.

I find it somewhat unbelievable that she would still be listening to that entire recording every time, rather than saying "yeah yeah i get it please remove that" after maybe the third time.

That weird radio frequency he was picking up... that's gotta be how they communicate, right?

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> I find it somewhat unbelievable that she would still be listening to that entire recording every time, rather than saying "yeah yeah i get it please remove that" after maybe the third time.

I would have asked exactly for that, but only after the 10th time or so. big_smile


> That weird radio frequency he was picking up... that's gotta be how they communicate, right?

Could be, or something completely different! I have no idea and look forward to the explanation.

65 (edited by bvereshagen 2025-12-08 23:25:09)

Re: Pluribus [Drama, Sci-Fi]

I love the fact that Manousos's

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MG shit the bed before getting out of the driveway! Talk about realism. I wonder how he plans to get through the Darien Gap?

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bvereshagen wrote:

I love the fact that Manousos's

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MG shit the bed before getting out of the driveway! Talk about realism. I wonder how he plans to get through the Darien Gap?

The stupid way, it seems? I am impressed they not only thought of that, but even made a worthwhile episode out of it. Good show so far.

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Re: Pluribus [Drama, Sci-Fi]

Episode 7...

Could've been cut in half and nothing of the actual story would've been lost.

I get what they were doing and with a 22-episode or even 12-episode Season would've appreciated it...but with now only 2 episodes to go we are once again in a dragging out of the story that is just annoying.

That being said, the other half of the episode was awesome smile

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The giant fireworks had me really worried - I would've thought she would tilt the chair at the last second or the fuse goes out by coincident...but it barely missing her face and she doesn't react at all - priceless smile

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felt like 95% of the episode was useless filler.

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I am enjoying the slow pace.  It makes a change for shows to actually do this instead of rushing everything though with no though to storyline.

The tiktok and instant gratification generation have ruined a lot of shows with their lack of attention span.

DRM "manages access" in the same way that Prison "manages freedom".
http://xkcd.com/488/

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Wizard wrote:

I am enjoying the slow pace.  It makes a change for shows to actually do this instead of rushing everything though with no though to storyline.

The tiktok and instant gratification generation have ruined a lot of shows with their lack of attention span.

I really don't like that argument... "lack of attention span" - attention to what? In the other half of the episode almost nothing happened.
If it were meant to add to the characters intention and determination...that was already well established  in the first two scenes of him in the show, nothing shown in this episode deepened or changed my understanding of him.

Also, what ruined the appreciation for a slower pace and inclusion of greater world-building is the small episode numbers per season and the high probability of waiting over 2 years for the next season (see link).

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/ … -apple-tv/

With an episodic plot format I would be fine with this, but with a serialized format...

Since it's somewhat related just think about Breaking Bad and how much we got out of Season 1 (only 7 Episodes btw) and compare it to this show.

If the show continues as is, we are going to get a tiny bit more information and than a huge cliffhanger at the end of the season...and that's it.

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WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:

Episode 7...

Could've been cut in half and nothing of the actual story would've been lost.

I get what they were doing and with a 22-episode or even 12-episode Season would've appreciated it...but with now only 2 episodes to go we are once again in a dragging out of the story that is just annoying.

That being said, the other half of the episode was awesome smile

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The giant fireworks had me really worried - I would've thought she would tilt the chair at the last second or the fuse goes out by coincident...but it barely missing her face and she doesn't react at all - priceless smile

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I actually thought "they" would do something to stop it from killing her thus proving that they are always watching and protecting her, which in turn would piss her off even more.

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WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:
Wizard wrote:

I am enjoying the slow pace.  It makes a change for shows to actually do this instead of rushing everything though with no though to storyline.

The tiktok and instant gratification generation have ruined a lot of shows with their lack of attention span.

I really don't like that argument... "lack of attention span" - attention to what? In the other half of the episode almost nothing happened.
If it were meant to add to the characters intention and determination...that was already well established  in the first two scenes of him in the show, nothing shown in this episode deepened or changed my understanding of him.

Also, what ruined the appreciation for a slower pace and inclusion of greater world-building is the small episode numbers per season and the high probability of waiting over 2 years for the next season (see link).

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/ … -apple-tv/

With an episodic plot format I would be fine with this, but with a serialized format...

Since it's somewhat related just think about Breaking Bad and how much we got out of Season 1 (only 7 Episodes btw) and compare it to this show.

If the show continues as is, we are going to get a tiny bit more information and than a huge cliffhanger at the end of the season...and that's it.

Yeah, I agree with you here - that episode (with them FULLY driving the point home for the whole episode) would have been more easily justified in a show with twice the numbers of episodes...

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Episode 8... what a great episode.

Possibly three big insights into the whole "thing" were more than I expected at this point and very much appreciated.
Character development was kinda obvious but still great to see unfold.

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1.)
Probably the most interesting part about the episode was their thirst for new knowledge, especially the Wycaro novel.
Of course, since they already know every story written and every possible piece of media thought of by artists, they must be pretty bored - at least they made it look like that.
What would happen then if Carol would agree to become one of them?, they would never ever get a new story...

2.)
When Pirate Lady (I know her name, I just like calling her that smile ) told her that a man in Bulgaria was accidentally impaled on an iron fence...that confused me.
That either means that some of them are still working dangerous jobs or that one of them just happened to wander around and fall ?
I would have imagined that people only die from natural causes anymore in the hive.

With the combined knowledge of all people and...as we have seen with the croquet...even muscle memory that felt weird.

3.)
At the end when Pirate Lady reminiscent about her past... That looked almost like she forgot she was part of the hive...very interesting.
--------------------------
On the other hand I gave up on the way they tell Manousos's story...they just fumbled this one alltogether. Especially now that we had the perfect set-up at the ending of the episode.

Wouldn't it have been a whole of a lot better if
- Pirate Lady said, you have a visitor
- We hear the door bell ringing
- Carol answers the door, it's Manousos
- He responds to her insulting him when they had the phone call.
- Episode ends.
- Next episode we get Manousos's story...in an abbreviated version of what we got splattered across the episodes.
?

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On the "on the other hand" -thingy. Yes, much better.

...where did I put that rat's ass I could give?

Daemons are benevolent or benign nature spirits, beings of the same nature as both mortals and gods, similar to ghosts, chthonic heroes, spirit guides, forces of nature or the gods themselves.

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Ended the episode feeling a bit fed up.
With one episode left I don’t feel like we’ll get a proper ending to the season.

Whilst at the beginning I was intrigued and didn’t mind the pace as much, now it’s just feeling way too slow and nothing “new” has happened in the past two episodes.

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