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Re: Pluribus [Drama, Sci-Fi]

1x3

For me, each episode has gotten progressively worse.  1x4 is going to have to be spectacular or else I am done with this show.

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Episode 3 was OK.

I get what they were doing with the episode, but it is high time they show us more of the world.
I said it before, more and more questions with little to no answers right now.

Spoiler

For the trucks and other people to arrive this fast...the only possible explanation for this would be that they anticipated she was going to her favorite supermarket, get angry, call them and ask them to bring it all back.
This could've been some weird powerplay where they wanted to impress her again...something like that. But that plot line was not explored.
But Pirate Lady said that they are consolidating all resources...which would make absolute sense...but then why would they keep the resources in trucks a minute away from the store they emptied??

At the end of the episode they are in a hospital...which would've been a great way for Carol to ask what happened to all the sick and injured people...maybe with the combined knowledge of all humanity they were able to quickly get cures for some diseases? But no Carol has to ask about Tanks and atom bombs...

Deserved more runtime:
Abbys | Dead Like Me | Devs | Firefly | Gangsta. | Jack of all Trades | Kevin (probably) saves the World | Lodge 49 | Mrs. Davis | NYC 22 | Powerless | Roadkill | Special Unit 2 | Stumptown | Surface | The Brave | The Crazy Ones | The Finder | The Middleman | Truth Seekers | Two Weeks to Live | Whiskey Cavalier

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Re: Pluribus [Drama, Sci-Fi]

WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:

Episode 3 was OK.

I get what they were doing with the episode, but it is high time they show us more of the world.
I said it before, more and more questions with little to no answers right now.

Spoiler

For the trucks and other people to arrive this fast...the only possible explanation for this would be that they anticipated she was going to her favorite supermarket, get angry, call them and ask them to bring it all back.
This could've been some weird powerplay where they wanted to impress her again...something like that. But that plot line was not explored.
But Pirate Lady said that they are consolidating all resources...which would make absolute sense...but then why would they keep the resources in trucks a minute away from the store they emptied??

At the end of the episode they are in a hospital...which would've been a great way for Carol to ask what happened to all the sick and injured people...maybe with the combined knowledge of all humanity they were able to quickly get cures for some diseases? But no Carol has to ask about Tanks and atom bombs...

I am still not sure if what happens is supposed to make sense or not.  If it is, they have a lot of explaining to do.

Spoiler

What was all that at the beginning about the ice place?  Sleeping on a bed mad eof ice?  Really?

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1x3

What an asshole move of her to...

Spoiler

...request that they restock the whole supermarket just for her!

Makes for good TV entertainment though. cool

This episode really established Carol as a big (sad and bitter) idiot who would benefit a lot from joining the collective:

Spoiler

She had no reason NOT to believe they'd give her a real hand grenade, did she?

Curious to see what comes next... smile

@jim1961:

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Yes, it's a thing! From https://www.nickandjerry.com/blog/ice-h … ade-of-ice :

It was now time for us to go to sleep in the Icehotel. To prepare for our night in Icehotel 35, we were told to basically wear our thermal underwear and wrap ourselves in the large sleeping bag to keep ourselves as warm as possible for the walk to our respective rooms. And then, once in our rooms, we needed to place the sleeping bag on the ice bed, take our shoes off and place them on the ground, scoot onto the mattress with the sleeping bag, and then get into the liner and the bag, and zip up and cover almost all of the face:
[photo]

Years ago, I've pondered visiting myself but decided against it. big_smile

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Re: Pluribus [Drama, Sci-Fi]

well, that happened - 1x3 bit of a downer from 1x1 and 1x2.

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Re: Pluribus [Drama, Sci-Fi]

1x4

Despite semi interesting developments, I really just dont see the point of continuing.

Its a head scratcher for me that this show is holding such a high rating at IMDB.  I dont find Carol very likeable or believable and most of the rest of the cast are automatons that are not that likable or believable either.

Put me in the 0.9% that give this show a 4/10.

32 (edited by WilliamDrakeMcGregor 2025-11-21 17:41:28)

Re: Pluribus [Drama, Sci-Fi]

Episode 4...

storywise the development is just not enough. We are barely moving forward here.
And world-building...they had so many opportunities for some exposition dumps in this episode...a lot of  wasted potential imho.

Spoiler

Instead of right getting to the point with "Shorty" they could've just used a couple of minutes of airtime for her to ask some random stuff as fan service.
  from simple stuff like
"What do you eat?" (is it like a Matrix situation with the "bowl of snot" or normal food)
  to edgy stuff like
"Do you procreate?" (I mean, c'mon smile - but jokes aside, humanity would end otherwise)
  or the most important question (to me)
"how did they reach all the people?" (all we got was "we acted quickly" or something like that, which is not satisfactory since the only clue for infection so far is by bodily fluids....)

Same when she stole the drugs. The doctor guy said they have many people in the hospital suffering from drug addiction - immediately a couple new questions she could've asked:
- Can't the Joining help them recover?

- If one of them takes drugs, what do the others feel?.... IMPORTANT question, especially considering what she was planning and what happened the first time she got angry at Pirate Lady...what if everyone of them would've collapsed again??

I know addiciton is not just the mind but also the body, but still...some relieve should be possible with the Joining.

I do like what they did with Carol in this episode though, especially the end felt very genuine and moving.

Deserved more runtime:
Abbys | Dead Like Me | Devs | Firefly | Gangsta. | Jack of all Trades | Kevin (probably) saves the World | Lodge 49 | Mrs. Davis | NYC 22 | Powerless | Roadkill | Special Unit 2 | Stumptown | Surface | The Brave | The Crazy Ones | The Finder | The Middleman | Truth Seekers | Two Weeks to Live | Whiskey Cavalier

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33 (edited by jimslim 2025-11-21 19:00:31)

Re: Pluribus [Drama, Sci-Fi]

First 2 episodes were great. From there on it's been ultra boring. Typical Gilligan fare to be honest. 5 mins of 'action' sprea over 45 mins, just like Better Call Saul, and Fargo.
Why isn't she asking the questions like:-

Who are you (that designed the 'virus').
From whence do you hail?
What makes you think you have the right to change other species to your liking?
etc. (ok, I can't think of any more right now!)

Rhea has the sweetest smile, but even that can't save it!

I'll probably watch the last episode to confirm that we don't find anything meaningful out this season.

Next!

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Re: Pluribus [Drama, Sci-Fi]

I partially agree with your criticim, WilliamDrakeMcGregor, especially the last spoiler question.

While 1x3 and 1x4 have been less great than the first two episodes, I'm not yet ready to change my 9/10 IMDb rating. smile

My favorite 1x4 line was from Zosia:

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Fun fact: the police officer who drove that vehicle, his son's third grade teacher's husband's sister was a Charter member of the Wycaro fan club.

big_smile

35 (edited by g371 2025-11-23 06:57:46)

Re: Pluribus [Drama, Sci-Fi]

Spoiler

Yeah, those all are important questions, not like who from outer space broadcasted a human RNA sequence which turns out is a building block for a hive mind virus. Or how the hive mesh network magical physics work, what is the range and stuff like that.

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Im enjoying this show but i feel like they just arent giving us "enough" in each episode. With only five episodes left to the season and at the pace they are going im wondering how much reveal we will get.

The episodes end with me feeling frustrated rather than excited for the next one.

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Re: Pluribus [Drama, Sci-Fi]

Enjoying this greatly.

The attention span smartphone crowd having a whinge its not moving fast enough for them and they dont get all their questions answered on Day 1.

38 (edited by WilliamDrakeMcGregor 2025-11-24 18:13:19)

Re: Pluribus [Drama, Sci-Fi]

Rocky_Rock_Rockbottom wrote:

Enjoying this greatly.

The attention span smartphone crowd having a whinge its not moving fast enough for them and they dont get all their questions answered on Day 1.

It's Day 4... and the world end's on Day 9 (metaphorically)...so yeah..not moving fast enough.

Deserved more runtime:
Abbys | Dead Like Me | Devs | Firefly | Gangsta. | Jack of all Trades | Kevin (probably) saves the World | Lodge 49 | Mrs. Davis | NYC 22 | Powerless | Roadkill | Special Unit 2 | Stumptown | Surface | The Brave | The Crazy Ones | The Finder | The Middleman | Truth Seekers | Two Weeks to Live | Whiskey Cavalier

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39 (edited by some_one 2025-11-24 18:23:56)

Re: Pluribus [Drama, Sci-Fi]

A lot of the questions y'all mentioned were actually answered tho? Or at least the answer was implied in some way:

Spoiler
  • They seem to be eating the same stuff they did before; otherwise it would not have made sense why they would have been able to restock an entire supermarket with fresh products that quickly. Keeping that much around just for her would be too wasteful; which we know they care about because they only cleared it out in the first place because the building itself was redundant for them.

  • They probably still have children. There's no reason to stop, and also it's only been a few days and there would have been a lot of preexisting pregnancies still. Agreed though, definitely a question she should have asked by now.

  • We saw and they sort of explained how they got everyone: First infect everyone who could expose them, as well as anyone who is in a position to help them spread faster. Then, everyone who would be difficult to reach later (like astronauts). When they were caught they rushed it by using that "chemtrails" method we saw outside that bar to quicky affect just about everyone else. After that, they would probably have enough knowledge about anyone they missed and how to get at them too.

  • They have a lot of people who were addicts, who are not taking anymore since joining, but still have to go through withdrawal. Probably not cold turkey either, since that would be risky. Thus, the hospital. Because of that, she knows that drugging one would not affect the others. Still a bad plan though.

  • They do not know where they came from. We can assume the signal was probably sent by another hive mind (the whole "needs an antenna as big as a country" thing; hiveminds can do that easily, everyone else, not so much), but neither we nor they know that, because the Humanity hive mind is separate from that one; we know that because they say "we are still new to this" at the start: they are a new hivemind, not a preexisting one assimilating a new species.

  • Questioning the ethics of it all more might be reasonable, but they've pretty clearly said that "infecting everyone" is something they cannot not do, a biological imperative. It supercedes any ethics for them - as demonstrated by the fact that they allowed nearly a billion people to die over it.

  • How the physics of it work actually is a good question. There's nothing "human" about that RNA though, it's just a plain old virus. Why it can infect humans is still open though. Maybe it's simply engineered for compatibility with any sapient organic life somehow. I wouldn't be surprised if they never answer that one though, unless time travel is involved.

It's a good concept show. How to deal with a situation that is neither really good nor bad, but impossible to ignore.

40 (edited by g371 2025-11-24 19:19:05)

Re: Pluribus [Drama, Sci-Fi]

Spoiler

Ethics is a two legged ones invention, reprogram the meat CPU a bit (for example, with a virus) and it will vanish the same as appeared.

To broadcast RNA as such already is close to zero chance, unless the broadcaster also has it - but to broadcast virus that affects specifically humans in a certain way has a chance of infinitely reaching zero. Actually to even broadcast anything to us and in a form we would understand, already is super far from a trivial adventure (closest spot from where potentially somebody could broadcast something is so far away that it would take 4+ years for that signal just to travel, but there are also tiny variables that you need to hit in the right timespan so that humans actually already are on this rock and still are here, are advanced enough to receive, decode and act on it - and that signal also could travel for hundreds of thousands of years to us, meaning the sender can long be extinct).

Anyway, it's a half comedy with hand grenades, nukes and lesbians drama.

P.S. Actually what is more likely is that the signal has no intelligent origin, just some cosmic fart with what the human stupidity won a lottery. That's way more plausible big_smile

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Rocky_Rock_Rockbottom wrote:

Enjoying this greatly.

The attention span smartphone crowd having a whinge its not moving fast enough for them and they dont get all their questions answered on Day 1.

Im probably older than you my little child and I know how to appreciate when things aren't moving fast enough.

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g371 wrote:
Spoiler

Ethics is a two legged ones invention, reprogram the meat CPU a bit (for example, with a virus) and it will vanish the same as appeared.

To broadcast RNA as such already is close to zero chance, unless the broadcaster also has it - but to broadcast virus that affects specifically humans in a certain way has a chance of infinitely reaching zero. Actually to even broadcast anything to us and in a form we would understand, already is super far from a trivial adventure (closest spot from where potentially somebody could broadcast something is so far away that it would take 4+ years for that signal just to travel, but there are also tiny variables that you need to hit in the right timespan so that humans actually already are on this rock and still are here - and that signal also could travel for hundreds of thousands of years to us, meaning the sender can long be extinct).

Anyway, it's a half comedy with hand grenades, nukes and lesbians drama.

Spoiler

Yeah, the only reason ethics enter this discussion at all is because it's still a collective of those same two legged ones who still seem to care about that.

When RNA needs to be encoded and sent somewhere (on Earth), it's usually done using a massive chain of 4 letters (A, U, G and C) which represent each of the chemical components of the RNA. Since the molecule itself is basically just a long series of those 4 in varying orders, that actually works. The transmission they received on the show was actually four different signals on different frequencies that, together, formed a repeating pattern. What they did then was to check which letter/chemical should be assigned to which frequency, probably by trying all combinations, and then creating the resulting virus.

They also said that the signal wasn't coming from anywhere nearby, it was probably sent a very long time ago, probably before humans even existed. More a "send to all" and not a message directed at Earth at all.

But yeah, you are right: it's basically impossible to design a virus that works on a species that you cannot know anything about, because it does not even exist yet. So, unless time travel is involved, I don't think we are getting that answer.

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nightcrow wrote:

Im probably older than you my little child

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44 (edited by g371 2025-11-25 00:43:03)

Re: Pluribus [Drama, Sci-Fi]

Spoiler

Their ethics firmware actually is upgraded, in their interests would be to eliminate the problem. That's 100% what the old humans version would do. Or their survival instincts and ego modules are disabled and the majority vote ended up with this version of ethics.

Something like this is on what I bet how AGI will take us out smile A few DNA mods and done - we even have already tried similar stuff on the same poor mice.

But even broadcast to all should be extremely lucky - that would mean that the other civilization should exist (or the broadcast finally reach us) in the overlapping ~50 years of our ability to do something with it. It's a very narrow window in 14 billion years. And difference imo could not be more than some million years. So they would either need to teleport from Earth with RNA blueprints and send that signal or evolve the same in +/- the same time frame. A bit off and they would be broadcasting to dinosaurs.

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Re: Pluribus [Drama, Sci-Fi]

I haven't read the spoilers, but some of the comments make me want to give this a try. To me, this is a sci-fi horror story. Being forced to be "happy" in the same way everyone else is? What if your happy is not my happy? What if I like being sarcastic and cynical? I hope this is addressed in some way.

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I'll just leave this this here.

...where did I put that rat's ass I could give?

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TeaAndApathy wrote:

I haven't read the spoilers, but some of the comments make me want to give this a try. To me, this is a sci-fi horror story. Being forced to be "happy" in the same way everyone else is? What if your happy is not my happy? What if I like being sarcastic and cynical? I hope this is addressed in some way.

Forced would be more like a 2025 reality show - here they are offering to change your mind in a literal and permanent way, after that the hive has just one definition and interpretation of happy smile And nobody even said that it's happy, they just manifest themselves like that for an outside observer.

There is not much action, most of the action is the thought experiment itself.

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Thanks, Daemonius.

TeaAndApathy wrote:

I haven't read the spoilers, but some of the comments make me want to give this a try. To me, this is a sci-fi horror story. Being forced to be "happy" in the same way everyone else is? What if your happy is not my happy? What if I like being sarcastic and cynical? I hope this is addressed in some way.

It's addressed in some way, and I guess/ hope the remaining episodes will focus on this some more.

You asking these questions will probably make this a good show for you. smile

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S01E05, this is turning into the right amount of fucked up and hilarious

Spoiler

Fine. Good riddance! Fuck you!!!!!!!1 big_smile

In the end of the episode I assume that they are processing into smoothies their expired hive workers - nutritious and effective, why waste a perfectly good food source.

That grave and police car scene also was 10/10.

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g371 wrote:
Spoiler

Their ethics firmware actually is upgraded, in their interests would be to eliminate the problem. That's 100% what the old humans version would do. Or their survival instincts and ego modules are disabled and the majority vote ended up with this version of ethics.

Something like this is on what I bet how AGI will take us out smile A few DNA mods and done - we even have already tried similar stuff on the same poor mice.

But even broadcast to all should be extremely lucky - that would mean that the other civilization should exist (or the broadcast finally reach us) in the overlapping ~50 years of our ability to do something with it. It's a very narrow window in 14 billion years. And difference imo could not be more than some million years. So they would either need to teleport from Earth with RNA blueprints and send that signal or evolve the same in +/- the same time frame. A bit off and they would be broadcasting to dinosaurs.

Haven't watched the newest episode yet; Thanksgiving is messing up everyone else's TV schedule again. But the idea is this:

Spoiler
  • some alien species, intentionally or on accident, creates the virus (a very long time ago)

  • the resulting hivemind takes over that entire planet

  • some time later, they have already assimilated everyone they could (their entire species), but their instinct (from the virus) still tells them to infect more people

  • the aliens can't travel faster than light, so going to other planets to find other species is not possible

  • they build a ridiculously large antenna and start sending a message, on repeat, in every direction; a message that any species that knows how to actually make a virus should be able to understand; that way, even if no such species exists, at least they tried

  • they keep sending the signal for thousands, maybe even millions of years on repeat

  • the signal starts reaching Earth, but no one is there to understand it yet

  • much later, humans start existing and eventually notice the signal, which is still arriving on loop

  • the events of the show happen

Technically we don't even know whether the aliens who sent that signal are the first to send it. They could have already received a similar signal from a different source; maybe every infected species starts sending the signal at some point.