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Topic: The Acolyte

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"No one is safe from the truth."

Set at the end of the High Republic Era, approximately 100 years before Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace, the series sees a respected Jedi Master investigating a series of crimes that bring him into contact with a former Padawan, Osha, only for them to learn sinister forces which have forged a terrible packed and a secret crime one Dark Force user blames the Jedi for.

  • Osha Aniseya - Osha (born an identical twin) is a former Padawan learner of Master Sol who left the Jedi Order due to "internal turmoil" she has regarding her connection to the Force.

  • Mae Aniseya - Mae (born an identical twin) was presumed dead until she re-emerges as a dangerous warrior using the dark side of the Force.

  • Jedi Master Sol -  Sol is a respected Jedi Master at the Temple who, once his old student has been implicated in the death of a Jedi is having to balance the emotions this this complicated with his duties to investigate the crime.

  • Yord Fandar - a by-the-book Jedi Knight who trained with Osha and is sent to investigate.

  • Jecki Lon - spritely and unconventional Jecki is Sol's current Padawan half-human, half-Theelin just like Rystáll Sant, a background character from the film Return of the Jedi.

  • Vernestra Rwoh - a senior member of the Jedi Order who rose to prominence as a young prodigy.

  • Mother Aniseya - leader of a coven of Force witches.

  • Indara - a Jedi Master proficient in "Force-fu" fighting.

  • Qimir - a former smuggler who now lives a life of leisure.

  • Torbin - a Jedi Master who took the Barash Vow, floating in a silent state of Force meditation for over a decade. This vow was introduced in the Star Wars: Darth Vader comic book (2017).

Just the first two episodes are out so far and I'm enjoying it, it's got a similar flavor to that of reading the novels (of which I have... even some of the High Republic variety) in the best possible way. It's not the noir-ish realism of Andor nor the western vibe of The Mandalorian. If anything it feels like a good version of Rebel Moon or Samurai 7 [yes, they're bassically the same vibe because they're based on the same Akira Kurosawa film] a Space Samurai flick.

Anyone else have an opinion?

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Just doesn't feel like a professionally made series to me so far. It's like they outsourced it to 1990s syfy who reused props from the black hole and the original BSG. Fights were ok and

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joffrey dying of poison again

was a nice touch but generally i just couldn't believe how bad it was. Second episode wasn't quite as bad so maybe it was just the showrunner trying to do everything on the first, but i don't have high hopes so far. Definitely not a good way to launch a new stars war era to the casuals.

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When consuming any Star Wars content, Just don’t forget Disneys agenda… RD2D is officially gay and Osha has two mothers.

Oh, and make sure you watch this until the end, it’s only fair: 
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Brothers! What we do in life...Echoes in Eternity!


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just realized i mixed up

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joffrey and tommen

so it didn't even have the nice touch

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Episode 1 was OK...the writing is pretty lazey (see spoiler below).
Some things make no sense to me...yet. Hopefully they will be explained in the future:

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1st scene in the bar....why is she described as an assassin?!

The trade federation guy calling the meknek's disposable and them joking about it...nothing funny about that. Maybe if they had a strong relationship - cranky boss and troublemaker worker - this would've been good, but then I would've expected trade federation guy to at least show up again and protest her being arrested. Something like that.

So it's illegal to have people do outer ship work, only droids can do that...Considering a droid would probably be a hell of a lot cheaper (the room she lives in looks quite spacious), it doesn't make sense for the trade federation to employ mekneks.

A Jedi Master is killed and they sent two rookie Jedi Knights to question a suspect?
Most of the questions they asked had absolutely nothing to do with why they were there, what was the point of that? They had a description and an eyewitness? In a bar you could've even expected some holo-surveillance footage.
Where did that prison transport come from? And why aren't the two Jedi Knights on the ship? Osha is suspected of killing a Jedi Master after all.. or better yet, why aren't they transporting her themselves?

Her not being able to use the force to get that multi-tool...same thing happened in Kenobi... don't try to make me believe using the force is something that you can forget how to do... I just don't believe it (yeah yeah she was still an apprentice, but come on).

Now all prisoners are on Coruscant, Yord as well...what happened there? Who collected the escape pods? Why didn't they inform Yord and other Jedi that something happened and they should go investigate the crash site? Since all were going to Coruscant this just makes no sense...

That scene in the ice cavern...straight out of the movie The Fugitive.

The most confusing thing for me is, how did Osha ever become a Jedi apprentice? She has experienced strong emotional trauma and was way too old. With how the writing is so far, I doubt we will ever get a good explanation for that.

Episode 2...no improvement so far, just "ok" as well.

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Again the assassin just walks straight down a hallway...the person walking by her doesn't notice her at all - they are inside a Jedi Temple, shouldn't that person know everyone working there?

My point from episode 1 about meknek's and droids...the explanation it seems is "i am better company and more flexible" - that argument works maybe for sexworkers for when robotics have advanced that far....

So Osha thought Mae was dead and Mae thought Osha was dead...I am really curious as to how they are going to explain that away later.

Btw. the fights between Mae, Indara & Sol - anyone else getting chinese martial arts movie vibes?

I really don't like the inuendos about the Jedi so far. It feels like they want to portrait them as incompetent, stupid and maybe even corrupt. I really hope I turn out to be wrong.

Overall most of the characters are likeable (apart from Yord, don't know what they were high on when they wrote that character).
The locations look good. Apart from the Jedi robes, the costumes are ok.
The story is pretty obvious so far. The background stories of the characters are just not good enough.

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Unconvincing acting and preposterous/nonsensical story given Star Wars canon.  (see WilliamDrakeMcGregor's spoilers above).

The Acolyte came off like a play instead of a time in the Star Wars universe to me, and I've never felt that way about any of the other Star Wars TV shows.  This should've been a cartoon.  Amateurish and utter garbage.

I'd prefer a live action Iden Versio or Cal Kestis TV series any day. Iden Versio would be a great female driven story to do, if that's what's all the rage at Disney right now, because she's the daughter of a top ranking Imperial officer who goes from being a commander of Inferno Squad for the Empire, who eventually defects to the Rebel Alliance.  It's epic and it's not a side of Star Wars that's ever been fleshed out; the battle on the ground from the perspective of the officers of both the Empire and the Rebel Alliance.  Similar to Andor, it doesn't center around force sensitives, but still retains and amplifies all the things we love about classic Star Wars.  I suppose Andor is more covert with spying and behind the scenes chess moves that are geared for TV; Battlefront would be more overt with huge battle scenes geared for the big screen, and would require a series of movies to bring to life.
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After the latest episode [3] I have to say, so far, I feel this series has been pretty fun... I thought it was very clever that this episode we saw the night from Osha's perspective and I'm greatly anticipating Mae's and perhaps even the Jedi's episode.

For me, it's all been adding up... also Star Wars is a Disney franchise, no longer is it just one guy in his garage an his wife with a pair of scissors wink Annnd, like all franchises, 'this'll be canon until that is.' As such... the Ani's Origins thing of it all goes... I'm really not invested one-way-or-another for whatever vague or explicit answers we may, or may not, get from this series that being as it is I'm also open to some new ideas... tho this is just my take!

Personally, what I am here for is space adventures with Jedi shenanigans and to that end I've been rather satisfied. I may've mentioned above that, to me, it feels as though I'm watching a SW novel come alive, which is neat! And-yes, I'm also here for getting way from prequels/originals/sequels era stories, give us something new... please!

Anyways, IMHO, this has hardly been the most egregious example of Disneyification. Sooo-yeah, it's been a "Yes please, may I have another?" scenario, for me... So far cool

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Episode 3...nope, this show is just not working.

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It's weird how the twins weren't identical as children but then became it somehow when they grew up (apart).

How did mama make the force visible?! I don't think they should something like that even in Episodes 7-9...

The mama throws shade at the Jedi who call it a Force "a claim to use it"...and a few seconds later she literally USES the "thread" for a pushing-match... and a show of "force" to make her children obey.

So they know that Jedi are "visiting" the planet and that rules of the republic prohibit them to train children. Maybe that would be a situation where you take extra percauiions so that the children can't get outside?

They just go about inventing new things the force apparently can do. Starting with Torbins 10 year long levitation and omni-directional forcefield and now somehow Aniseya can use the force to possess someone, she didn't even have to point at him or anything - Torbin's eyes turning black...how the hell did she do that?

Why does Osha wanna be a Jedi? We never saw anyone explaining to her what a Jedi is and what they do... So all her live she was trained to become a witch, and understandably she maybe get cold feet. But still, to make this believable someone would've had to tell her something about the Jedi and that should've happened on screen...

So Mae destroy's an oil lamp...in front of a metal door and all around stone walls - I am no expert, but should the fire really spread that fast? A view minutes later the entire fortress seems to shake, everyhing breaks apart.

And I mentioned before..everything we've seen so far - Osha should've never been accepted as a Jedi.

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IMDB Rating for The Acolyte | 3.4/10 
4/10 is about what I'd rate it, which is higher than the audience score on Rotten Tomatoes, 13%.  It's so bad I encourage everyone to stop watching.

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This is a shit show. Already removed from from my list.

From the first episode it felt wrong. Still cant put my finger on it. But everything about it just blows chunks. At first I thought it was written for children, but that is not it.

The dialogue is bad. The acting is stiff or stale. It is all together a bad fit.

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One positive is i've not laughed as hard at anything in a comedy in a while as i laughed at the

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community theater production of Cats that was the witch ceremony. can't imagine why the kid would be hesitant about joining up and ready to leave the planet after witnessing that.

Really wish there were Rifftrax for these cuz i'm struggling even at 2.5x speed.

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this is a garbage show... people who thinks " I like new Ideas..." star wars is star wars... its not a science project to fill in with all social experiments.

Its shit writing, crap story... this serie is IN NAME ONLY... nothing in this is Star wars. A harvey weinstein product... what leverage did she have. 180 million dollars down the drain.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yofjGi6LOVc

This explains it perfectly. Warning spoilers for episode 3.

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inkblot wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yofjGi6LOVc

This explains it perfectly. Warning spoilers for episode 3.

Really? Because that guy kinda sounds like someone who is angry at exactly one thing (perhaps the one he keeps repeating throughout the video?) and tries to justify that emotion by nitpicking at anything he can find (including haircuts at one point, ffs). Honestly, he just seems like kind of a jerk.

If we're just linking reviews now, I think this one puts a little more thought into it.

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some_one wrote:
inkblot wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yofjGi6LOVc

This explains it perfectly. Warning spoilers for episode 3.

Really? Because that guy kinda sounds like someone who is angry at exactly one thing (perhaps the one he keeps repeating throughout the video?) and tries to justify that emotion by nitpicking at anything he can find (including haircuts at one point, ffs). Honestly, he just seems like kind of a jerk.

If we're just linking reviews now, I think this one puts a little more thought into it.

At first I thought the same way about The Critical Drinker, but when you watch a couple more of his videos (especially his series Why Modern Movies suck and The Drinker Fixes) you (at least I) realize, he makes some very good points.
I like that he gets angry at such things because you can clearly see that he is a fan of the movies, tv shows and franchises he reviews. I'd rather listen to a guy who knows the story to an extent rather than someone else who may have never seen the original SW movies.

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He isn't the only one who noticed the hair. I already found it weird in episode 1, two sisters who have lived apart for 16 years and still have the same hair cut? Maybe one of them liked it so much, she just kept it, ok...but both of them?
Little details like that annoy me and I am happy to know I am not the only one.

That review you posted...that part about Episode 3 - that's exactly what I don't like about this show. Why do we need to show the Jedi

in a far more morally ambiguous light, and we see the line where their stoicism borders on cruelty

Really? Why does the author think that's a good thing about the show? - Why can't the Jedi just be good, simply good?

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some_one wrote:
inkblot wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yofjGi6LOVc

This explains it perfectly. Warning spoilers for episode 3.

Really? Because that guy kinda sounds like someone who is angry at exactly one thing (perhaps the one he keeps repeating throughout the video?) and tries to justify that emotion by nitpicking at anything he can find (including haircuts at one point, ffs). Honestly, he just seems like kind of a jerk.

If we're just linking reviews now, I think this one puts a little more thought into it.

I just felt the way he did. Never watched his reviews. First time I have seen him.

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inkblot wrote:

I just felt the way he did.

And that's fine, of course. I just think we shouldn't be like that guy, making up reasons to hate stuff. Hating stuff for no reason is still better than spiraling into ever worse justifications. Only morons truly believe they are completely rational beings.


WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:

That review you posted...that part about Episode 3 - that's exactly what I don't like about this show. Why do we need to show the Jedi

in a far more morally ambiguous light, and we see the line where their stoicism borders on cruelty

Really? Why does the author think that's a good thing about the show? - Why can't the Jedi just be good, simply good?

Fair enough. For an actual answer: because people being inherently good or bad is a popular fantasy for children, but one which many people unfortunately carry into adulthood. It also really limits the kind of stories that can be told, which gets boring eventually.

Besides, it's not intentional cruelty here, just a bunch of mostly kind people with good intentions fumbling their way into it because they work under (probably) false assumptions. That way, it's pretty much in line with the prequels: the Jedi are the good guys, but they got so used to that notion that they can no longer see anyone else's perspective as valid, and thus fail to anticipate the reasons for their eventual downfall.


That being said, I found this to be watchable, but don't really have much of an opinion about it one way or the other.

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I enjoy the heat from the dumpsterfire that is this show.

The power of ONE!
The power of TWO!
The power of MANY!

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some_one wrote:
Fair enough. For an actual answer: because people being inherently good or bad is a popular fantasy for children, but one which many people unfortunately carry into adulthood. It also really limits the kind of stories that can be told, which gets boring eventually.

I agree with you that it would get boring, if we would see a show about Jedi doing their Jedi thing, being good and helping people, and nothing much more.

But this is a story about the bad guys, the Dark Side. Apart from Tales of the Empire this is the first on-screen story we got from the point of view of the Sith. This fact alone gives plenty of opportunity to tell a story about the Opposition without having to portray the Jedi in a questionable way.

I honestly would've loved for this show to be really dark, as evil as you can imagine the Sith to be. But nothing I have seen so far gave me an impression that this is where we are headed.

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some_one wrote:
inkblot wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yofjGi6LOVc

This explains it perfectly. Warning spoilers for episode 3.

Really? Because that guy kinda sounds like someone who is angry at exactly one thing (perhaps the one he keeps repeating throughout the video?) and tries to justify that emotion by nitpicking at anything he can find (including haircuts at one point, ffs). Honestly, he just seems like kind of a jerk.

If we're just linking reviews now, I think this one puts a little more thought into it.

Both these reviews are hysterically funny... when I read that line about the The Acolyte having clunky dialogue I almost did a real-life spit take lol  I mean, this is STAR WARS we're talking about... No offence to the franchise to be sure, but it LIVES in clunky dialogue land! Like can we talk about sand for a second, because there this gem of smooth dialogue from George's pen I just want to remind everyone of, "It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere.

Seriously, if folks expect everything coming from DISNEY owned Star Wars to be Andor they've been living in a different Timeline altogether. It's a franchise about space monks who use magic and it has never been subtle... or when it has, it's been soooo subtle no one even sees the parallels. Like it took me years to realize Lucas purposely named Nute Gunray after, former Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich [tho -to be fair- I was a kid when I first saw that flick].

But-yeah, art is subjective so if you don't like it no worries... that being as it is, I have to say, some of the takes are real wild stuff [from my perspective]. I even saw one complaining about folks hair... hahahaha... Oh my goodness, it's just a show and we're not even talking about House of Cards or The Sopranos, or even True Detective... And heck after those sequels, I'm impressed when any Star Wars is watchable let alone compelling.

I'm absolutely engrossed by this series, it's everything I'm looking for from the franchise; it's more Star Wars, it has nothing to do with the Skywalkers, there's a mystery, it features different types of FORCE users, plus it feels like one of this universe's novels come to life annnnd it's been a good time, so far!

I just hope all these hatewatchers keep the streaming numbers up, so we get more like this tongue

I can't wait for the next episode...

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Hate-watchers?

That is a little strong. I am not in favour of this show, or you could say I have a dislike for it. But it comes no where near hate.

I can and have followed all the other star wars, be it animation or not. And I have liked most of them.

Clone Wars
Bad Batch

and all the others.

The acolyte just seems to be a mess for me. Saying one thing meaning another. No continuity etc etc. That is about all the complaints I have for this show. That is why I stopped watching it.

And it appears I am not the only one. If you enjoy the show, by all means, continue watching and enjoying it. As for me, I am done with it. It simply is something I cannot enjoy.

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I also disagree with the term hate-watchers.

I, for one, do not like this show but keep watching it for the small glimmer of hope that I will get at least one or two good new Star Wars experiences out of it.
That's how I got to experience that awesome scene of Vader force-holding that spaceship in Episode 5 of Obi-Wan Kenobi. It was worth suffering through the other 5 episodes.

TheFizza wrote:
I'm absolutely engrossed by this series, it's everything I'm looking for from the franchise; it's more Star Wars, it has nothing to do with the Skywalkers, there's a mystery, it features different types of FORCE users, plus it feels like one of this universe's novels come to life annnnd it's been a good time, so far!

Since our opinions differ so extreme, I am curious - do you have specific scene or interaction that make the show so watchable for you? - maybe I am looking at it the wrong way. Some pointers to the nuances I am apparently not seeing would be much appreciated (no sarcasm here, truly want to know).

I just finished watching Episode 4 and it hasn't changed anything for me, here my take on it:

Spoiler

I was hoping to see them processing the fact that their sister is actually alive...guess that happened off-screen.

8 Jedi go to find another Jedi and need a tracker?!
The tracker is the one who has to point out the forrest is rotten?!
The drop-out apprentice is the only one who sensed the creature?!
....Are those Jedi force-disabled?

"After running through that forest for an extremely long time I realized something, I don't need to do this anymore"
16 years of influence by a (probably) Sith-Lord and she just changes her mind because of some walking?
This scene gave me pause and I realized that in all 4 Episodes I actually never got the impression that Mae was a character on the Dark Side of the force...she just simply does what someone tells her to do like a droid - neither good nor bad (which is funny to me, since her sister did also the work of a droid xD).

It's so obvious who the Master is by now, right?

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pure garbage

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inkblot wrote:

Hate-watchers?

That is a little strong. I am not in favour of this show, or you could say I have a dislike for it. But it comes no where near hate.

I think there's space for all opinions and I appreciate you sharing yours. You are right, you do not sound like a hate-watchers however that does not preclude their participation... just sayin'

inkblot wrote:

I can and have followed all the other star wars, be it animation or not. And I have liked most of them.

Clone Wars
Bad Batch

and all the others.

As have I. To that, I should add, I feel the quality has varied.

inkblot wrote:

The acolyte just seems to be a mess for me. Saying one thing meaning another. No continuity etc etc. That is about all the complaints I have for this show. That is why I stopped watching it.

And it appears I am not the only one. If you enjoy the show, by all means, continue watching and enjoying it. As for me, I am done with it. It simply is something I cannot enjoy.

That's completely understandable but I would just add that, for me, the first three seasons of The Clone Wars was pretty terrible. Yet, by the time I finished it, I felt it was the strongest part of the Star Wars Universe, not to mention my favorite part of the franchise wink


WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:

I also disagree with the term hate-watchers.

I, for one, do not like this show but keep watching it for the small glimmer of hope that I will get at least one or two good new Star Wars experiences out of it.

That's how I got to experience that awesome scene of Vader force-holding that spaceship in Episode 5 of Obi-Wan Kenobi. It was worth suffering through the other 5 episodes.

Sounds a though you are not of that crowd either, and I appreciate hearing your thoughts, like I said there should be space for all our Star Wars opinions!

WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:

TheFizza wrote:
I'm absolutely engrossed by this series, it's everything I'm looking for from the franchise; it's more Star Wars, it has nothing to do with the Skywalkers, there's a mystery, it features different types of FORCE users, plus it feels like one of this universe's novels come to life annnnd it's been a good time, so far!

Since our opinions differ so extreme, I am curious - do you have specific scene or interaction that make the show so watchable for you? - maybe I am looking at it the wrong way. Some pointers to the nuances I am apparently not seeing would be much appreciated (no sarcasm here, truly want to know).

To start with, in my experience of Star Wars, the unevenness I see is part of what makes this franchise fun! I'd even go as far as saying it's part of what makes it great. Like how that smooth Sorkin like dialogue and whisper-core performance of Stellan Skarsgård's can live alongside the clunky wordsalad Liam Neeson forced out between devouring chunks of scenery... well that's all just part of the Star Wars vibe.

As for what I like?

I like that this takes place in the High Republic Era and that there's a bit of a mystery going on and that there are twins [one good and one evil] and Force witches and the Jedi are sus... I guess to some extent I also like the promise of something different in the same universe. This is not all written, this might not be the tragedy of Anakin or the destiny of Luke. It can explore something different with the same material/text. And I'm here for it, so far.

WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:

I just finished watching Episode 4 and it hasn't changed anything for me, here my take on it:

Spoiler

I was hoping to see them processing the fact that their sister is actually alive...guess that happened off-screen.

8 Jedi go to find another Jedi and need a tracker?!
The tracker is the one who has to point out the forrest is rotten?!
The drop-out apprentice is the only one who sensed the creature?!
....Are those Jedi force-disabled?

"After running through that forest for an extremely long time I realized something, I don't need to do this anymore"
16 years of influence by a (probably) Sith-Lord and she just changes her mind because of some walking?
This scene gave me pause and I realized that in all 4 Episodes I actually never got the impression that Mae was a character on the Dark Side of the force...she just simply does what someone tells her to do like a droid - neither good nor bad (which is funny to me, since her sister did also the work of a droid xD).

It's so obvious who the Master is by now, right?

I often take walks in the forest, and some times even in groups, it's a great place to ponder things. So that RENSONATED with me. I actually had that exact experience of stopping halfway with someone and telling them off. Annnnd I'm completely aware that this series might not stick the landing... it might have the turn you deem as obvious but maybe not.

All-in-all though, as I pointed out, I'm not sure much in SWU has been great. Even if this series doesn't go how I hope it might, is that any different than the sequels or really a lot of Star Wars... Apologies to anyone to loved those movies, this is just my opinion.

But that's what I'm saying... it's a large enough franchise that there can be space for all opinions, like for me The Mandalorian was sooooo boring, I was like... Yes, I've seen Spaghetti Westerns and Samurai movies too... they are good.... This poorman's Firefly is not and FYI that's child murder Baby Yoda... this is terrible, I'm out!

It wasn't for me but it encouraged more Star Wars to be made, and that's cool. I don't have to love that or this to love Star Wars, but saying the quality has dropped from the Ode to Sand levels of Lucas or the haircuts are this-or-that... enjoy it or don't but why are we nitpicking this hard?! All it seems to be doing is filling the world with negativity?!

Just don't worry about it, it's a fun show about space wizards! I personally could use some fun right now!

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The Acolyte is to Star Wars what Discovery is to Star Trek.