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nightcrow wrote:

I think I will subscribe to The Daily Wire for some regular content…. Once they start producing it that is. I am not sure what they currently have, but I pray that it will be an escape from the Netflix’s and Disney+’s of the world.

There are plenty of good shows out there which do not aggressively push the woke/left-libertarian political message. Just avoid (most) shows Netflix and Disney. Easy.

Some I enjoyed this year (even if the show is from 2021):
- Dr Death
- Dopesick
- Let the right one in
- The Old Man
- The Terminal List
- Reacher
- Better Call Saul S6
- Severance (even though, not my thing.... no too much on the nose political BS)
- Guillermo del Toros Cabinet of Curiosities

And a few more. More than I can catch up with....

27 (edited by merc 2022-11-25 09:47:27)

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nightcrow wrote:
g371 wrote:

Yeah, by ep 3 we already have arrived to gender neutral toilets, mansplaining and whitewashing, Netflix is ultra woke clownade, but they are not capable to dilute the darkness of Addams family big_smile Imo, teenagers in this one are bearable - unbearable were in Resident Evil, The Walking Dead: World Beyond and alike.

Oh, wait…. I have only seen the first episode.
Do the woke start injecting their agenda in episode three? If so, thanks but no thanks. I’m out.

dont believe the guy, he is making a mountain out of a mole hill, looking for woke where there is none. This is not Supergirl-woke where you have episodes given entirely to wokiness. One of the claims is that "wolfing out" stuff pretty sure was some gay agenda barely hidden between the lines.  mad........mad interpretation. if anything it was a macho- reference but in that or subsequent eps it is the mother  not the father who is demanding  wolfing out.... This is a very nice show dont let this wacky interpretaion of g371 spoil it for you

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nightcrow wrote:

Oh, wait…. I have only seen the first episode.
Do the woke start injecting their agenda in episode three? If so, thanks but no thanks. I’m out.

Yes, they spread it out evenly, adding bits and pieces every episode big_smile

29 (edited by g371 2022-11-25 10:46:58)

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merc wrote:
nightcrow wrote:
g371 wrote:

Yeah, by ep 3 we already have arrived to gender neutral toilets, mansplaining and whitewashing, Netflix is ultra woke clownade, but they are not capable to dilute the darkness of Addams family big_smile Imo, teenagers in this one are bearable - unbearable were in Resident Evil, The Walking Dead: World Beyond and alike.

Oh, wait…. I have only seen the first episode.
Do the woke start injecting their agenda in episode three? If so, thanks but no thanks. I’m out.

dont believe the guy, he is making a mountain out of a mole hill, looking for woke where there is none. This is not Supergirl-woke where you have episodes given entirely to wokiness. One of the claims is that "wolfing out" stuff pretty sure was some gay agenda barely hidden between the lines.  mad........mad interpretation. if anything it was a macho- reference but in that or subsequent eps it is the mother  not the father who is demanding  wolfing out.... This is a very nice show dont let this wacky interpretaion of g371 spoil it for you

Buddy, I literally am getting paid for data analysis big_smile If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. Once is a coincidence, twice can be as well, but here the whole story was constructed just right. And actually a good question is what was first - mandatory keywords and built around them or modified to add them. Absolutely without a doubt it was a conscious effort not a happy accident smile

But about the wolfing will see what will be in the next season smile

30 (edited by merc 2022-11-25 19:29:16)

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I have now finished all 8 eps and a great watch it was. I hope there is no 2nd season. Some times less is more
The only thing "woke" about this show was I was not tempted to fall asleep, gripping right up to the end

31 (edited by g371 2022-11-25 19:55:48)

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Sure, don't find strange how from piranhas and waterboarding her brother she jumps to caring about the climate? And a bit later is back in her character and is fishing with hand grenades? big_smile

And the best propaganda is a subtle one, which you don't notice, here it's done on a high quality level, I would do almost the same. But the fact remains, they exploited story which never had anything close to that bs. Tho, imo, did not manage to ruin it (this time).

Another idea I have - could introduce a new warning - same as there is "contains product placement", could do "contains propaganda placement" smile Because it's essentially the same thing, even the same methods and tactics smile

32 (edited by Deke 2022-11-26 22:08:00)

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lol, I'm not even watching this show, but this thread is fascinating.

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Yep, world is fascinating outside your bubble big_smile

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Sigh…. You’ve all confused me now….

I avoid woke political agenda shit like the plague and now I don’t know what to do re this show. I guess I’ll watch it until the woke brings up its head.

I used to watch all marvel movies on the premiere night in the IMAX…. Now I won’t even bother downloading them via torrent. I miss the days of yore, when entertainment was entertainment.

Brothers! What we do in life...Echoes in Eternity!


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I finished Wednesday yesterday.  Excellent, really enjoyed it and didn't find it woke at all.

2020.  Meh.

36 (edited by merc 2022-11-27 19:39:45)

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g371 wrote:

Yeah, by ep 3 we already have arrived to gender neutral toilets, mansplaining and whitewashing, Netflix is ultra woke clownade, but they are not capable to dilute the darkness of Addams family big_smile Imo, teenagers in this one are bearable - unbearable were in Resident Evil, The Walking Dead: World Beyond and alike.

did you notice the eps in which

Spoiler

the the shape shifter principle weem changed in the very old grimy station platform loo for all sexes incl disabled? eps 2 was it? if that is not a poke at so called new gender neutral loos I do not know what is. 

Spoiler

One scene I liked was Wednesdays robotic  dance. And  her "roomy"  werewolf  is a great foil. A lovely character

I don't know what some people have against "teen" tv series or films.

Filmed in Romania?

37 (edited by g371 2022-11-27 21:15:45)

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merc wrote:

did you notice the eps in which

Did you notice the ep in which was melted monument to a glorified oppressor from the past? big_smile

Actually I'm giving them bonus points for messing with specifically this show, because 1) it by definition is a complete opposite from their bullshit - they needed to be quite smart about it to not cause a total cognitive dissonance (like it takes some creativity to come up with a rainbow werewolf, who "don't belong" and "comes out" to parents, haha); 2) it's not so easily dismissible as would be with countless other shows - meaning, people will still be watching a woke Superman, same as they will be watching a woke diaries by Wednesday.

P.S. For illustration purposes the definition of a werewolf before it was woke

https://euppublishingblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/werewolf.jpg

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did you notice

Spoiler

the inverted use of "conversion therapy" where the mum wants to send Wednesday's roomy to a summer camp to get her wolfing, in the parent day eps? definitely a jibe at woke "poke the woke"

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reviews
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radi … y-spin-off

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/22/ente … index.html

https://screenrant.com/wednesday-show-t … eak-break/

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Re: Wednesday

merc wrote:
nightcrow wrote:
g371 wrote:

Yeah, by ep 3 we already have arrived to gender neutral toilets, mansplaining and whitewashing, Netflix is ultra woke clownade, but they are not capable to dilute the darkness of Addams family big_smile Imo, teenagers in this one are bearable - unbearable were in Resident Evil, The Walking Dead: World Beyond and alike.

Oh, wait…. I have only seen the first episode.
Do the woke start injecting their agenda in episode three? If so, thanks but no thanks. I’m out.

dont believe the guy, he is making a mountain out of a mole hill, looking for woke where there is none. This is not Supergirl-woke where you have episodes given entirely to wokiness. One of the claims is that "wolfing out" stuff pretty sure was some gay agenda barely hidden between the lines.  mad........mad interpretation. if anything it was a macho- reference but in that or subsequent eps it is the mother  not the father who is demanding  wolfing out.... This is a very nice show dont let this wacky interpretaion of g371 spoil it for you

Also completely incorrect usage of the word "woke".

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g371 wrote:
merc wrote:

did you notice the eps in which

Did you notice the ep in which was melted monument to a glorified oppressor from the past? big_smile

Actually I'm giving them bonus points for messing with specifically this show, because 1) it by definition is a complete opposite from their bullshit - they needed to be quite smart about it to not cause a total cognitive dissonance (like it takes some creativity to come up with a rainbow werewolf, who "don't belong" and "comes out" to parents, haha); 2) it's not so easily dismissible as would be with countless other shows - meaning, people will still be watching a woke Superman, same as they will be watching a woke diaries by Wednesday.

P.S. For illustration purposes the definition of a werewolf before it was woke

https://euppublishingblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/werewolf.jpg

I think you maybe seeing "woke" and "wokeness" where it isn't; the "melted monument to a glorified oppressor from the past " was the focal point of evil that the "big bad" was trying to resurrect, and has been used in many films and TV shows previously, including Buffy, Angel and Supernatural. Or were they all "woke"?

The werewolf wasn't "rainbow", just that the character was a "girly, girl" as a contrast to Wednesday's "black and white" character, and just hadn't done the "change" at the start of the series.  To take that as a metaphor for being gay is I feel a bit of a stretch.
I do agree that some shows push the "PC message" (I'll not use "woke" in those terms) to much, Supergirl season four for instance, but I think you you maybe "over-sensitive" to PC messages at the moment?

42 (edited by merc 2022-12-01 20:37:21)

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a review by the Daily Mail UK

Woke mob slams Tim Burton's smash hit Netflix Addams Family reboot Wednesday for casting black actors as bullies and owner of PILGRIM-themed amusement park

seems like the real baddies are two/three white people - the sheriffs son, Christina Ricci as the plant lady normy and of course the big baddie  Joseph Crackstone....


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … llies.html

seems like it has been a real hit for Netflix

43 (edited by g371 2022-12-01 21:33:46)

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Patrician wrote:

I think you maybe seeing "woke" and "wokeness" where it isn't; the "melted monument to a glorified oppressor from the past " was the focal point of evil that the "big bad" was trying to resurrect, and has been used in many films and TV shows previously, including Buffy, Angel and Supernatural. Or were they all "woke"?

The werewolf wasn't "rainbow", just that the character was a "girly, girl" as a contrast to Wednesday's "black and white" character, and just hadn't done the "change" at the start of the series.  To take that as a metaphor for being gay is I feel a bit of a stretch.
I do agree that some shows push the "PC message" (I'll not use "woke" in those terms) to much, Supergirl season four for instance, but I think you you maybe "over-sensitive" to PC messages at the moment?

First, my usage of "woke" is absolutely correct, since I piss on it from the 7th floor. And no, I don't see wokeness, where it is not, this particular show is riddled with it smile That monument part is debatable, but would not be surprised, if that also was a conscious effort, since they managed to squeeze in like 70% of their classic messages and that gives a room for extrapolation. Here even is a simple statistical anomaly - it's like in a Tarantino movie between scenes of a brutal violence would be some detours to talk about Jesus or something like that.

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g371 wrote:
Patrician wrote:

I think you maybe seeing "woke" and "wokeness" where it isn't...........

First, my usage of "woke" is absolutely correct, since I piss on it from the 7th floor. And no, I don't see wokeness, where it is not, this particular show is riddled with it smile That monument part is debatable, but would not be surprised, if that also was a conscious effort, since they managed to squeeze in like 70% of their classic messages and that gives a room for extrapolation. Here even is a simple statistical anomaly - it's like in a Tarantino movie between scenes of a brutal violence would be some detours to talk about Jesus or something like that.

I must be thick as I donot understand one word of that...

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g371 wrote:
Patrician wrote:

I think you maybe seeing "woke" and "wokeness" where it isn't; the "melted monument to a glorified oppressor from the past " was the focal point of evil that the "big bad" was trying to resurrect, and has been used in many films and TV shows previously, including Buffy, Angel and Supernatural. Or were they all "woke"?

The werewolf wasn't "rainbow", just that the character was a "girly, girl" as a contrast to Wednesday's "black and white" character, and just hadn't done the "change" at the start of the series.  To take that as a metaphor for being gay is I feel a bit of a stretch.
I do agree that some shows push the "PC message" (I'll not use "woke" in those terms) to much, Supergirl season four for instance, but I think you you maybe "over-sensitive" to PC messages at the moment?

First, my usage of "woke" is absolutely correct, since I piss on it from the 7th floor. And no, I don't see wokeness, where it is not, this particular show is riddled with it smile That monument part is debatable, but would not be surprised, if that also was a conscious effort, since they managed to squeeze in like 70% of their classic messages and that gives a room for extrapolation. Here even is a simple statistical anomaly - it's like in a Tarantino movie between scenes of a brutal violence would be some detours to talk about Jesus or something like that.

Considering that the definition of "woke" is

" aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)"

That makes no sense when used in the context that you use it in.  You may not like "woke" (I'm not sure how anyone can not like being "woke") but it is a word that has a strict meaning.

46 (edited by TheFizza 2022-12-04 15:03:08)

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Just finished Wednesday, art is subjective, that being said I give this series 2.5 maybe 3 STARS out of 5 and this is mostly for the vibes/atmosphere because for a show that basically stole lines right out of the mouths of Film Noir detectives, Wednesday was an incredibly incompetent detective.

In fact that was possibly the most Scooby-Doo mystery I have ever seen on a very popular live-action TV series. I 100% knew exactly how it was going to end by the last few minuets of episode one. I called who the villain was, who the monster was... annnnd it was completely frustrating to see the main character, who they establish in the universe is being smart, acting so very clueless. There were a couple of times when I thought she was purposely being stupid, like it was all a ruse... however that was clearly me giving this series waaaaay too much credit neutral

I spent most of the series yelling at the screen things like, "that guys is clearly the monster you can even tell that from the CGI" and "she is clearly the evil 'dead' daughter, it could not be more obvious" hmm  There was even a time I laughed out loud at a line of VoiceOver from Wednesday about how could it possibly be the girl who we know died in a foreign country surrounded by strangers in a suspicious way lol lol lol lol  At which point I seriously considered if the series was secretly actually a straight-up comedy.

That all being as it was the ambience in the series was fantastic, the characterizations were good and the themes were followed through well… even if the mystery was so-so-so extremely pedestrian.

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47 (edited by TheFizza 2022-12-06 22:47:25)

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fassy wrote:
nightcrow wrote:

I think I will subscribe to The Daily Wire for some regular content…. Once they start producing it that is. I am not sure what they currently have, but I pray that it will be an escape from the Netflix’s and Disney+’s of the world.

There are plenty of good shows out there which do not aggressively push the woke/left-libertarian political message. Just avoid (most) shows Netflix and Disney. Easy.

Some I enjoyed this year (even if the show is from 2021):
- Dr Death
- Dopesick
- Let the right one in
- The Old Man
- The Terminal List
- Reacher
- Better Call Saul S6
- Severance (even though, not my thing.... no too much on the nose political BS)
- Guillermo del Toros Cabinet of Curiosities

And a few more. More than I can catch up with....


I appreciate that you do not see a liberal political agenda in the above listed but they all have a political/social point of view, more likely they just align with your politics and/or your world view or you just choose not to engage with those aspects of those programs [like Ted Cruz with Star Trek]. That's okay though, not everything is for everyone.

Personally I try not to engage with things that are not for me, I just try to let others enjoy... and listen I'm not trying to blast anyone or anything like that, I'm just trying to understand this string I just read. I posted my thoughts then went back to see what others here are saying and it's almost two pages of what just seems to be: This is not a show for me!

That being said, I can understand trying to engage with something and not being able to. It's happened for me plenty of times in genres or in franchise I very much like. A choice then needs to be made to either stick with it hoping it will evolve or you will. When it's a movie you're pretty much stuck with it unless you want to turn it off halfway through, which I think is why many movie reviews tend to be very emotionally charged.

However with a series it's much different, you have breaks between the story to decide if it is worth continuing. Now I very much like reading folks opinions on things [I do always start with the worst if I love it and the best if I hate it] but if they are just, "this is too woke for me," I don't see how there's more to say. It's not for you, that's cool... maybe the listed above is, that's cool too yet it seems very few complaints here (not just the quoted above) point out problems with the production, the narrative or the performances hmm [ perhaps it is they who have the agenda here, just sayin' ] roll

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48 (edited by merc 2022-12-04 18:47:07)

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TheFizza wrote:

Just finished Wednesday, art is subjective, that being said I give this series 2.5 maybe 3 STARS out of 5 and this is mostly for the vibes/atmosphere because for a show that basically stole lines right out of the mouths of Film Noir detectives, Wednesday was an incredibly incompetent detective.

In fact that was possibly the most Scooby-Doo mystery I have ever seen on a very popular live-action TV series. I 100% knew exactly how it was going to end by the last few minuets of episode one. I called who the villain was, who the monster was... annnnd it was completely frustrating to see the main character, who they establish in the universe is being smart, acting so very clueless. There were a couple of times when I thought she was purposely being stupid, like it was all a ruse... however that was clearly me giving this series waaaaay too much credit neutral

I spent most of the series yelling at the screen things like, "that guys is clearly the monster you can even tell that from the CGI" and "she is clearly the evil 'dead' daughter, it could not be more obvious" hmm  There was even a time I laughed out loud at a line of VoiceOver from Wednesday about how could it possibly be the girl who we know died in a foreign country surrounded by strangers in a suspicious way lol lol lol lol  At which point I seriously considered if the series was secretly actually a straight-up comedy.

That all being as it was the ambience in the series was fantastic, the characterizations were good and the themes were followed through well… even if the mystery was so-so-so extremely pedestrian.


The things I loved  include Wednesday's goth dance in eps 3  is it at the Raven party and also her roomy character Enid who pulled some lovely expressions. And I loved the coroner scene where the doctor found one of the freezers doors open...I am not so concerned with the pedestrian story line. Unlike you I dont go into 2nd guessing  things ( now Stargirl eps 12?)

49 (edited by TheFizza 2022-12-04 21:35:53)

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merc wrote:
TheFizza wrote:

Just finished Wednesday, art is subjective, that being said I give this series 2.5 maybe 3 STARS out of 5 and this is mostly for the vibes/atmosphere because for a show that basically stole lines right out of the mouths of Film Noir detectives, Wednesday was an incredibly incompetent detective.

In fact that was possibly the most Scooby-Doo mystery I have ever seen on a very popular live-action TV series. I 100% knew exactly how it was going to end by the last few minuets of episode one. I called who the villain was, who the monster was... annnnd it was completely frustrating to see the main character, who they establish in the universe is being smart, acting so very clueless. There were a couple of times when I thought she was purposely being stupid, like it was all a ruse... however that was clearly me giving this series waaaaay too much credit neutral

I spent most of the series yelling at the screen things like, "that guys is clearly the monster you can even tell that from the CGI" and "she is clearly the evil 'dead' daughter, it could not be more obvious" hmm  There was even a time I laughed out loud at a line of VoiceOver from Wednesday about how could it possibly be the girl who we know died in a foreign country surrounded by strangers in a suspicious way lol lol lol lol  At which point I seriously considered if the series was secretly actually a straight-up comedy.

That all being as it was the ambience in the series was fantastic, the characterizations were good and the themes were followed through well… even if the mystery was so-so-so extremely pedestrian.


The things I loved  include Wednesday's goth dance in eps 3 is it at the Raven party and also her roomy character Enid who pulled some lovely expressions. And I loved the coroner scene where the doctor found one of the freezers doors open...I am not so concerned with the pedestrian story line. Unlike you I dont go into 2nd guessing things (now Stargirl eps 12?)

Nice, all good moments... thank you for sharing merc. And yeah, despite my criticism, I felt it was a decently enjoyable watch. Yes, the way I engage with a lot of the things I watch can be a little different than some, probably all those mysteries I read as a kid, but for whatever reason those aspects tripped me up though didn't turn me off.

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50 (edited by merc 2022-12-04 21:36:47)

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TheFizza wrote:
merc wrote:
TheFizza wrote:

Just finished Wednesday, art is subjective, that being said I give this series 2.5 maybe 3 STARS out of 5 and this is mostly for the vibes/atmosphere because for a show that basically stole lines right out of the mouths of Film Noir detectives, Wednesday was an incredibly incompetent detective.

In fact that was possibly the most Scooby-Doo mystery I have ever seen on a very popular live-action TV series. I 100% knew exactly how it was going to end by the last few minuets of episode one. I called who the villain was, who the monster was... annnnd it was completely frustrating to see the main character, who they establish in the universe is being smart, acting so very clueless. There were a couple of times when I thought she was purposely being stupid, like it was all a ruse... however that was clearly me giving this series waaaaay too much credit neutral

I spent most of the series yelling at the screen things like, "that guys is clearly the monster you can even tell that from the CGI" and "she is clearly the evil 'dead' daughter, it could not be more obvious" hmm  There was even a time I laughed out loud at a line of VoiceOver from Wednesday about how could it possibly be the girl who we know died in a foreign country surrounded by strangers in a suspicious way lol lol lol lol  At which point I seriously considered if the series was secretly actually a straight-up comedy.

That all being as it was the ambience in the series was fantastic, the characterizations were good and the themes were followed through well… even if the mystery was so-so-so extremely pedestrian.


The things I loved  include Wednesday's goth dance in eps 3 is it at the Raven party and also her roomy character Enid who pulled some lovely expressions. And I loved the coroner scene where the doctor found one of the freezers doors open...I am not so concerned with the pedestrian story line. Unlike you I dont go into 2nd guessing things (now Stargirl eps 12?)

Nice, all good moments... thank you for sharing merc. And yeah, despite my criticism, I felt it was a decently enjoyable watch. Yes, the way I engage with a lot of the things I watch can be a little different than some, probably all those mysteries I read as a kid, but for whatever reason those aspects tripped me up but didn't turn me off.

in this show there are just not enough players to obfuscate matters - once Wednesday had decided who the two baddies were we knew she was wrong,so this is a mystery in name only.( now had Enid been the monster... a good reason she could not wolf out) And on top of this there is the principle that the obvious is never the case  I was never anygood anyway at  working out real mysteries...The only matter that came as a suprise is that I saw Christina Ricci, the original Wednesday in the credits and wondered who that was not having seen her for a very long time on screen and not as an adult, didnt know what she looked like now.

I am not sure  whst genre this should be classified under