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I just saw their (new?) "We Will Bear No More" poster, a great play on words and perfectly fitting the extreme political right's efforts to move the US closer towards what's shown in the show (even if the majority of the population doesn't want that).

Looking forward to watching 5x1!

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lighton wrote:

I just saw their (new?) "We Will Bear No More" poster, a great play on words and perfectly fitting the extreme political right's efforts to move the US closer towards what's shown in the show (even if the majority of the population doesn't want that).

Looking forward to watching 5x1!

That's awesome, where do I need to place my vote to make this happen?

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Kanga wrote:
lighton wrote:

I just saw their (new?) "We Will Bear No More" poster, a great play on words and perfectly fitting the extreme political right's efforts to move the US closer towards what's shown in the show (even if the majority of the population doesn't want that).

Looking forward to watching 5x1!

That's awesome, where do I need to place my vote to make this happen?

Wherever it smells like moldy, outdated ideas. wink


Interesting fact:

Leaders didn't outlaw abortion in America until the mid-1800s. From colonial days until those first laws, abortion was a regular part of life for women.

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lighton wrote:

Wherever it smells like moldy, outdated ideas. wink

I will take those moldy, outdated ideas over a society that messes with the head of my children when it comes to sexuality, gender roles and more.

Here is a bunch of facts:https://archive.ph/f8nZ3

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Kanga wrote:
lighton wrote:

Wherever it smells like moldy, outdated ideas. wink

I will take those moldy, outdated ideas over a society that messes with the head of my children when it comes to sexuality, gender roles and more.

Here is a bunch of facts:https://archive.ph/f8nZ3

Oh my! To quote your linked text, you are one of those few "homosexuals are perverts" guys who somehow made it into this century?

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lighton wrote:

Oh my! To quote your linked text, you are one of those few "homosexuals are perverts" guys who somehow made it into this century?

You're welcome to call me anything you like, I can look at the ~100 studies in the link and put 2+2 together, if that makes me into a "homosexuals are perverts"-guy, well then I'm one of those and proudly so but what does that then make you? A science denier perhaps? It seems this kind of namecalling is silly.

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Kanga wrote:

I will take those moldy, outdated ideas over

How about locking both extreme left and right in some cage to fight each other to the death and the rest just move on without 72 genders and some religious garbage? big_smile

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lighton wrote:

Interesting fact:

Leaders didn't outlaw abortion in America until the mid-1800s. From colonial days until those first laws, abortion was a regular part of life for women.

So, in mid-1800 there were some "progressives" who did that, right? smile And same as today "fixed" what was not broken.

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Kanga wrote:
lighton wrote:

Oh my! To quote your linked text, you are one of those few "homosexuals are perverts" guys who somehow made it into this century?

You're welcome to call me anything you like, I can look at the ~100 studies in the link and put 2+2 together, if that makes me into a "homosexuals are perverts"-guy, well then I'm one of those and proudly so but what does that then make you? A science denier perhaps? It seems this kind of namecalling is silly.

You will not find a single peer-reviewed study that comes to the "homosexuals are perverts" conclusion. Your morals are just a 'bit' outdated. Women are allowed to work now, black people have the same rights, and yes, gay people are allowed to be openly gay.

I find it fascinating how often men strongly opposing "perverted homosexuals" are then found out to abuse young boys or to pay male prostitutes or visit gay parties years later... Especially in churches and politics.

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I had expected more from 5x1 and 5x2, but I liked the 5x2 ending! Setting up the upcoming episodes nicely. smile

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lighton wrote:

You will not find a single peer-reviewed study that comes to the "homosexuals are perverts" conclusion.

As I said, I can put 2+2 together just fine on my own, I don't need a scientific stamp of approval on my moral views, in fact science can't do that in the first place so it's a rather silly comment to make.

lighton wrote:

Your morals are just a 'bit' outdated. Women are allowed to work now, black people have the same rights, and yes, gay people are allowed to be openly gay.

Women have always been allowed to work except for rich white women but you should bat for those underprivileged rich white women all you want just not at the expense of poor white guys, black people should have their own nation(s) as we don't want the tower of Babel to collapse yet again and pride is a sin, one of the seven deadly ones.


lighton wrote:

I find it fascinating how often men strongly opposing "perverted homosexuals" are then found out to abuse young boys or to pay male prostitutes or visit gay parties years later... Especially in churches and politics.

I find it fascinating that you attempt to psychologize someone who notices a pattern as laid out in the link provided instead of dealing with the problems that is caused by societal norms being turned upside down in a few decades, "don't shoot the messenger" comes to mind but perhaps you take joy in other people's misery as they deal with syphilis, herpes, HIV etc.

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Kanga wrote:
lighton wrote:

You will not find a single peer-reviewed study that comes to the "homosexuals are perverts" conclusion.

As I said, I can put 2+2 together just fine on my own, I don't need a scientific stamp of approval on my moral views, in fact science can't do that in the first place so it's a rather silly comment to make.

lighton wrote:

Your morals are just a 'bit' outdated. Women are allowed to work now, black people have the same rights, and yes, gay people are allowed to be openly gay.

Women have always been allowed to work except for rich white women but you should bat for those underprivileged rich white women all you want just not at the expense of poor white guys, black people should have their own nation(s) as we don't want the tower of Babel to collapse yet again and pride is a sin, one of the seven deadly ones.


lighton wrote:

I find it fascinating how often men strongly opposing "perverted homosexuals" are then found out to abuse young boys or to pay male prostitutes or visit gay parties years later... Especially in churches and politics.

I find it fascinating that you attempt to psychologize someone who notices a pattern as laid out in the link provided instead of dealing with the problems that is caused by societal norms being turned upside down in a few decades, "don't shoot the messenger" comes to mind but perhaps you take joy in other people's misery as they deal with syphilis, herpes, HIV etc.

Now who’s being a science denier..? Just because you say something it doesn’t make it so. I could give you a link to a text that says people using the username Kanga are all gay, paedophile, syphilis ravaged perverts. Do you think that makes it the truth? Now don’t you go shooting the messenger!

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Kanga wrote:

As I said, I can put 2+2 together just fine on my own, I don't need a scientific stamp of approval on my moral views, in fact science can't do that in the first place so it's a rather silly comment to make.

Oh, but you were implying that your morals are backed by ~100 studies.

Maybe we should just stop this discussion. You are part of a very small minority with your morals, and you want to keep those.

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lighton wrote:

Oh, but you were implying that your morals are backed by ~100 studies.

Maybe we should just stop this discussion. You are part of a very small minority with your morals, and you want to keep those.

No, is/ought distinction.

I thought minorities was very important to the left but here you are trying to wipe my group out of existence through rhetorical devices. It's a literal genocide in real time.

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toidol wrote:

Now who’s being a science denier..? Just because you say something it doesn’t make it so. I could give you a link to a text that says people using the username Kanga are all gay, paedophile, syphilis ravaged perverts. Do you think that makes it the truth? Now don’t you go shooting the messenger!

Maybe you should read through what I've provided before commenting, just saying.

Edit: Ah I realize what you're talking about now, I suggest you look at the implication made towards me in the post prior, that will make you understand why I would utter those words.

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Kanga wrote:
lighton wrote:

Oh, but you were implying that your morals are backed by ~100 studies.

Maybe we should just stop this discussion. You are part of a very small minority with your morals, and you want to keep those.

No, is/ought distinction.

I thought minorities was very important to the left but here you are trying to wipe my group out of existence through rhetorical devices. It's a literal genocide in real time.

What kind of logic is that? I wrote that you want to keep your morals and (thus) we should maybe stop the discussion - leaving you with your moral status quo fully intact...

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lighton wrote:

What kind of logic is that? I wrote that you want to keep your morals and (thus) we should maybe stop the discussion - leaving you with your moral status quo fully intact...

As if you can even touch it.

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big_smile

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lighton wrote:

Maybe we should just stop this discussion. You are part of a very small minority with your morals, and you want to keep those.

This is where you are completely wrong - the minority are "ultra liberal free thinkers" or whatever they want to call themselves. And that's why they are a total, utter morons (minority enforcing their views upon the majority) on the same level or even worse than the opposite ditch who claim that gays are sinners lala blabla. There is unavoidable brutal conflict incoming, and in that conflict these morons will find out themselves that they are minority smile One of many signs of that: even hellhole of wokies Sweden just elected right-wing-ish people smile Can just hope that all this circus won't end with some Adolf v2 (like Trump already got elected largely just because of all this bs and clowns like Putin and Orban has massive support also largely because of this same bs). It's ignorant Californians who cannot see further than their nose.

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g371 wrote:
lighton wrote:

Maybe we should just stop this discussion. You are part of a very small minority with your morals, and you want to keep those.

This is where you are completely wrong - the minority are "ultra liberal free thinkers" or whatever they want to call themselves. And that's why they are a total, utter morons (minority enforcing their views upon the majority) on the same level or even worse than the opposite ditch who claim that gays are sinners lala blabla. There is unavoidable brutal conflict incoming, and in that conflict these morons will find out themselves that they are minority smile

You can keep your violent dreams, but I should have been more specific... I should have said that he's part of a very small minority in Western countries*, and here's the proof: https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020 … -persists/

And your country still has some catching up to do, it's been influenced by RuSSia for too long.


*I don't identify as African, South American or Asian when I'm posting here. cool

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You are right, I'm informed about both sides - West and East. You on the other hand are having a West illusion and also because you are not aware how totalitarian regimes affect people, you don't know that your chart is very likely a bs (people simply don't answer truthfully to polls). And also you are not even aware what exactly is causing the conflict (since you still cannot modulate the other side) - and it's not gays, in general, not counting some ultra backwards spots like Chechnya and alike, nobody cares about them - but put that in everybody faces and you will achieve exact opposite effect you expected (and hurt the same gays in the process). Add to that exponentially increasing nonsense and it just keeps growing. And you can see that everywhere (minus your isolated utopia - or like in Sweden people simply don't even risk to express their thought, since nazi libs will attack them instantly big_smile) - so, if you don't see it, it does not mean that it does not exist. And I couldn't care less about US, but this trash totally has a potential to take apart EU (especially after RuZZia treat will be eliminated and formed a new military alliance stronger than NATO, which won't need to rely on "Western" countries like France).

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And btw influence from Russia is minimal, we always have despised them with a passion (we see them as savages). Influence is from USSR and living just past 30 years again in capitalism (of course, influenced are local Russians, 3/4 of them virtually live in RU). But that also is dying off - especially compared to others (because we for centuries were influenced by "Western" Germany and Sweden). Tho knowledge of Russian language gives me a nice insight on what level they are resisting all this circus, you would be amazed if you just for one day would watch their federal TV which is broadcasted to some 200+ mil. people (and works very well on for example Serbia as well).

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I just love it when the far-right snowflakes know everything that happens everywhere and why. With the added future predicting powers. They even know what you think better than you do! They know the demographics of every every country on every subject and they just know that what they think is the vast majority everywhere and everyone thinks just like they do. And the few people who think otherwise are responsible for the things far right fanatics do, because just like the nazis, if the jews didn’t exist the nazis wouldn’t have had to kill so many of them and then everyone would see that the nazis were the real good guys!

Brought to you by the same people who think they are the majority, but somehow most people despise them for their minority views. Go figure..

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I'm not far-right and even less I'm a snowflake. Tho I have a strong allergy towards morons - both left and right. But about predicting powers - we warned you Western clowns about Russians for decades, you did not listen (in fact also were telling that we are overreacting lala blabla), so count this as similar pending told you so big_smile Tho right I give less hard time, since they have an excuse that they inherited their backwardness from generation to generation, but what excuse you have? Psychotherapy is expensive? smile For example, what difference is burning and looting during mostly peaceful BLM protest in US and Serbs throwing molotovs at police while protesting against Pride? Yep, zero, both total morons.

And btw, top 10 most moronic thing you do is calling everybody far-right - you don't have a cognitive dissonance from where all these billions of "far-right" suddenly appeared? Where they all where in year 2000? big_smile

But the number 1 is an assumption that you are the majority and are able to enforce (including by intimidation etc., all the genre you love - like if you don't agree, you are far-right and far-right means fascist lalalalala). That eventually will blow up in some form.

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Yeah, I’m not gonna keep talking to someone who claims to be able to predict the future, thinks they are superior to everyone else on the planet, and only object to being called snowflake and far-right in my previous post. So we can probably assume the other absurd stuff that was in the post was accurate in their mind..

And then you go on editing your post and again accusing others of something they didn’t do. Who did I call far-right? Everyone? I must’ve missed that..

You can go back to yelling your impotent rage into the void about using military might to conquer the world and cleanse the human race of, let’s say, people you find undesirable, or whatever it is you people do.