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Agengerbash...suburb of Karachi?

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merc wrote:

if so it must make them angry to see their creation given a bum deal

So, Kamala Khan has a lot of 'creator credits' two of which are editors [Sana Amanat & Stephen Wacker], two of which are artists [Adrian Alphona & Jamie McKelvie] but it seems that writer G. Willow Wilson did the most in crafting the personality, and possibly some of the background, of Kamala as she too grew up in NJ. Yet though Willow is Muslim she didn't grow up in the religion whereas Sana did and she is also Pakistani-American.

Amant works directly for MARVEL as an editor and serves as an executive producer in the Ms Marvel series. When asked about it she is quoted as saying (from an interview in EW on 5/11/22) that it was "fun to give Kamala different kinds of powers that feel big in scope and cinematic" and further that "the essence of what the powers are in the comics is there, both from a metaphorical standpoint and from a visual standpoint." Amanat has also spent time talking about what it seems she feels are the important parts of this story and those seems to be Kamala's experience being told through the lens of her wild imagination.

Meanwhile Wilson, co-creator and writer for the first sixty or so issues, is currently working on The Dreaming for DC Comics. She has no involvement with the Ms Marvel tv series and in fact (so far) seems to be pretty silent on the project... however in a EW interview from 12/14/2018 I found this [possibly] ironic section:

"Creating Kamala's powerset was hands down the most difficult part of the character creation process," Wilson says now. "We spent months going back and forth about what her powerset should be, how it should function, how it should look on the page. It was really tough. I knew from the beginning I didn't want her to have sparkly, hand wave-y, floaty, pretty powers. There were plenty of those! I really wanted her to have something kinetic, a bit weirder-looking, something that was really fun to look at, something that communicated well on the page. I also wanted something that would tie into being a teenager. Not all of us have superpowers but we all remember being 16 and feeling out of place in our bodies. Having different limbs growing at different rates, it's a struggle we can all relate to, and having a powerset that spoke so clearly to that part of life, that part of growing up, was really appealing to me. It meant we could tell a story that worked on several different levels."
...

"We were really trying to tell a superhero story that would feel like an average high school kid getting overloaded, trying to balance friendships and school and family expectations and also I'm on the Avengers," Wilson says. "A lot of people have mentioned that Kamala, unlike other prominent superheroes, doesn't have a rogues' gallery. There's not really a Joker in the Ms. Marvel universe. That's because going in, it was important to tell a young adult story in which, as for all of us, your number one enemy is usually yourself. It's because you've bitten off more than you can chew, or you're trying to navigate a world that is much bigger than you are, or you're making mistakes and have to go back and correct them. To be able to pull that off in the context of a superhero story was one of the real highlights of my professional career thus far."

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mrverene wrote:

Agengerbash...suburb of Karachi?

lol

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That long Wilson quote is very eloquently put and I think dead-on to why the power change just feels wrong to me. But so long as they get the rest of it ok and tell a half decent story I can look past that.

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mrverene wrote:

Agengerbash...suburb of Karachi?

NO  Dhaka, Bangladesh

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mrverene wrote:

That long Wilson quote is very eloquently put and I think dead-on to why the power change just feels wrong to me. But so long as they get the rest of it ok and tell a half decent story I can look past that.

I agree and the last Ep was a step in the right direction... also with regards to the Partitioning story from the comics, it seems they are adjusting that and possibly doing some Nega-Band stuff here... but I guess we'll see?!?!

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Yes, glad they're including it in some way.

Spoiler

My concern was after ep 1, with the way her mother reacted to the stuff from her grandmother, it just made her seem like a crazy hoarder. Moving the partition story to the great-grandmother makes sense. I do think it loses a bit with her being a child, since the whole thing in the comics is the bracelets were all she had on her when they essentially had to abandon their entire household. So the bracelets tied Kamala in to her family and cultural history in an interesting way. But I can see why they did it, setting up the powers and giving Kamala a mystery to solve. So it could work out being pretty interesting and even more central to the narrative. Seems like they did kind of overcorrect on the age math though big_smile

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TheFizza wrote:
mrverene wrote:

That long Wilson quote is very eloquently put and I think dead-on to why the power change just feels wrong to me. But so long as they get the rest of it ok and tell a half decent story I can look past that.

I agree and the last Ep was a step in the right direction... also with regards to the Partitioning story from the comics, it seems they are adjusting that and possibly doing some Nega-Band stuff here... but I guess we'll see?!?!

typcal yank misunderstanding of the partition/British leaving blaming the Brits for leaving the indigenous people to pickup the pieces. They wanted to get rid of the Brits pretty quick causing chaos, murder and mayhem until they left. British India was never about force of British arms ( there were very few)  but about the indigenous people cooperating. Once that went that was it, nothing to work with, they did it to themselves.

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big_smile You make it sound like they were petulant children rebelling against the rules of their kindly parents. They'd been trying to get rid of British rule since before there even was formal British rule. It's not as if they just up and decided to rebel against a legitimate government.

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mrverene wrote:

big_smile You make it sound like they were petulant children rebelling against the rules of their kindly parents. They'd been trying to get rid of British rule since before there even was formal British rule. It's not as if they just up and decided to rebel against a legitimate government.

Right... like what was done in the States, round about 1776 tongue

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graybags wrote:

This felt like it was made for 13 year old female Pakistanis to me.  Just a TV show trying far too hard to appeal to that dynamic.  Far too cliched and full of stereotypes.

So true! After watching 1x2 I'm giving up watching this show RIGHT NOW.

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lighton wrote:
graybags wrote:

This felt like it was made for 13 year old female Pakistanis to me.  Just a TV show trying far too hard to appeal to that dynamic.  Far too cliched and full of stereotypes.

So true! After watching 1x2 I'm giving up watching this show RIGHT NOW.

I'll give it one more but if it's anything like the last two, I'M OUTTA HERE.

2020.  Meh.

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This thread is so funny. It's a kids show. Why are you watching it expecting anything else? If it's not for you, it's not for you. End of story. Lmao

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Same reason folks watch anything Marvel, cuz it's tied in to the rest of the stuff. Sadly, even though this is hardly stellar it's the least awful MCU of the calendar year.

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well fortunately we have Motherland :fort salem and Umbrella academy in the next few days.

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sentient wrote:

This thread is so funny. It's a kids show. Why are you watching it expecting anything else?

Because there are TV shows and movies produced for kids, that adults can enjoy too?

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lighton wrote:
sentient wrote:

This thread is so funny. It's a kids show. Why are you watching it expecting anything else?

Because there are TV shows and movies produced for kids, that adults can enjoy too?

eg Stargirl

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merc wrote:
lighton wrote:
sentient wrote:

This thread is so funny. It's a kids show. Why are you watching it expecting anything else?

Because there are TV shows and movies produced for kids, that adults can enjoy too?

eg Stargirl

No: https://forum.next-episode.net/viewtopi … 99#p165699

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lighton wrote:
merc wrote:
lighton wrote:
sentient wrote:

This thread is so funny. It's a kids show. Why are you watching it expecting anything else?

Because there are TV shows and movies produced for kids, that adults can enjoy too?

eg Stargirl

No: https://forum.next-episode.net/viewtopi … 99#p165699

like what then?

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merc wrote:
lighton wrote:
merc wrote:
lighton wrote:

Because there are TV shows and movies produced for kids, that adults can enjoy too?

eg Stargirl

No: https://forum.next-episode.net/viewtopi … 99#p165699

like what then?

I don't recall the titles, I've only watched a few of those since it's not my favorite genre. And the discussion would be quite off-topic.

Btw, Ms. Marvel's IMDb User Ratings page looks like mostly two camps voted: the "OMG, finally a teen Marvel show!" camp and the "WTF is this crap!?" camp. cool

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sentient wrote:

It's a kids show. Why are you watching it expecting anything else?

mrverene wrote:

Same reason folks watch anything Marvel, cuz it's tied in to the rest of the stuff. Sadly, even though this is hardly stellar it's the least awful MCU of the calendar year.

True... but also

lighton wrote:

Because there are TV shows and movies produced for kids, that adults can enjoy too?

merc wrote:

eg Stargirl

Exactly, some of us just apricate good YA programing. Personally I'm a big fan of the Hotel Transylvania Franchise/IP, I very much enjoyed The Mysterious Benedict Society and am currently watching, the charming, Last Bus on Netflix.

Speaking of movies produced for kids which adults can enjoy, if you all haven't seen Mitchells vs. The Machines [also on Netflix] you need to, it is frakin' hilarious fun!!

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That's it for me.  3 episodes and I'm done.  Awful.

2020.  Meh.

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Of all the Marvel characters that should've been forgotten forever I never expected

Spoiler

ClanDestine to show up in the MCU. Now granted they're greatly changed, but still.

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mrverene wrote:

Of all the Marvel characters that should've been forgotten forever I never expected

Spoiler

ClanDestine to show up in the MCU. Now granted they're greatly changed, but still.

Aww, I remember them from the X-Men... one of Alan Davis' creations, or at least he was always drawing them so I believe they were... either way that's a deep kinda weird cut, until you remember they are descendants of probably one of the few Middle Eastern magicalls not already assigned to a potential MCUatant.

I kept trying to remember all the characters from the comics wondering if the Ms Marvel writers tried making their MCU versions analogous to their comic counterparts but I found I recalled so few specifically... However, I did find this element intriguing enough to keep me invested in seeing how the PTB play this out. As for the story of the Ep itself... all I'm sayin' is, they better make these side characters in Kamala's life relevant in the future because we spent so much time with them.

My one... maybe not complaint but observation, is not how much time we spent at the wedding when there was so much story to unpack or follow up on but that after setting up her family as movie/tv strict and fast in assigning consequences to what they perceive as their daughter acting out, they don't even engage her on that level before the end of the Ep.

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still too much faffing around. and her super powers are BORING. And the bollywood music/dancing scene no thanks - confused focus