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paisley1 wrote:
merc wrote:
paisley1 wrote:

......

Also, merc, a TV show with singing in it is unheard of today, and extremely difficult to do, and they were singing their thoughts because they had no choice,....These weren't songs meant to remember,......


hmmm Zoey's Exraordinary Playlist? Glee?

https://next-episode.net/zoeys-extraordinary-playlist

"These weren't songs meant to remember," you really think that?????

Yes.  The point was to get out of the nebula and not have to sing.  The crew felt just as awkward as us watching them sing.

Also, those shows were years ago, and as rare and difficult as I'm suggesting.

But more importantly, where do you stand on quiffs?

quiffs. Just in this case Pike, this old fogey look like he is trying to be "with it" but just looks like a 1950s throwback.

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merc wrote:

quiffs. Just in this case Pike, this old fogey look like he is trying to be "with it" but just looks like a 1950s throwback.

This so much, they have taken all the surface aesthetics but they have thrown out the substance of the show and labelled it "Star Trek" and now people are just slobbing it up straight out of the garbage can.

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Kanga wrote:
merc wrote:

quiffs. Just in this case Pike, this old fogey look like he is trying to be "with it" but just looks like a 1950s throwback.

This so much, they have taken all the surface aesthetics but they have thrown out the substance of the show and labelled it "Star Trek" and now people are just slobbing it up straight out of the garbage can.

@merc - Lolz, the 1950's throw back aesthetics look great, not sure why that bothers you.  So long as it doesn't have the horrible pinging sound that's in every episode of the Original Series, I'm happy.

@Kanga - As far as substance, you're absolutely correct, this show is geared for a younger audience, it's playful and adolescent, and does not dig the depths but spends more time focused on relationships than exploration, so much so that the exploration is in the background instead of the forefront. 

Wouldn't it be great if there were a procedural Star Trek on Fridays, 25 episodes per season 40 minutes long that ran from October to May, and was just a playground to explore the universe.  It would be even better if the network executives allowed (instead of suppressed) some great thinkers/intellectuals/scientists to participate in writing stories/situations that dig the existential depths to help bridge the gap between political/social conflicts and taught some actual science.  Imagine if Christopher Nolan produced Star Trek?  Instead they're like, "nahhh, we're gonna write a silly show about relationships." lolz. big_smile Haha.

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paisley1 wrote:

Wouldn't it be great if there were a procedural Star Trek on Fridays, 25 episodes per season 40 minutes long that ran from October to May, and was just a playground to explore the universe.  It would be even better if the network executives allowed (instead of suppressed) some great thinkers/intellectuals/scientists to participate in writing stories/situations that dig the existential depths to help bridge the gap between political/social conflicts and taught some actual science.  Imagine if Christopher Nolan produced Star Trek?  Instead they're like, "nahhh, we're gonna write a silly show about relationships." lolz. big_smile Haha.

The Trekkies wont allow that. or rather we had that with Enterprise  that you despise

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merc wrote:
paisley1 wrote:

Wouldn't it be great if there were a procedural Star Trek on Fridays, 25 episodes per season 40 minutes long that ran from October to May, and was just a playground to explore the universe.  It would be even better if the network executives allowed (instead of suppressed) some great thinkers/intellectuals/scientists to participate in writing stories/situations that dig the existential depths to help bridge the gap between political/social conflicts and taught some actual science.  Imagine if Christopher Nolan produced Star Trek?  Instead they're like, "nahhh, we're gonna write a silly show about relationships." lolz. big_smile Haha.

The Trekkies wont allow that. or rather we had that with Enterprise  that you despise

No, we had that with TNG, and it's not the trekkies that are against deeper stories, it's the studio executives at CBS who hate Star Trek and it's fans, and don't want to say anything that might be subversive enough to get cancelled, and they want to gear all the new Star Trek for a new younger audience so we have shorter seasons and more fluff.

Defending Enterprise, still ridiculous to me, not that I despise it, it was just unbearably boring and bland, as I couldn't cue into any character, the ship was small and claustrophobic, the performances were ham, and after two seasons it felt like a chore to watch, I couldn't take it any more; it was very forgettable.

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I only just watched Enterprise for the first time, binged the whole thing about 2 months ago. After being subjected to modern trek (ie: Discovery and S1 and S2 of Picard) I thought it was great and really enjoyed it. The main thing that annoyed me was how weak the Enterprise was, damn thing fell apart whenever it was shot!

Even the theme song grew on me eventually lol

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proteinnerd wrote:

I only just watched Enterprise for the first time, binged the whole thing about 2 months ago. After being subjected to modern trek (ie: Discovery and S1 and S2 of Picard) I thought it was great and really enjoyed it. The main thing that annoyed me was how weak the Enterprise was, damn thing fell apart whenever it was shot!

Even the theme song grew on me eventually lol

Thats 2 of us. The show really felt like the first journey beyond the solar system, meeting the aliens for the first time. And it had an ongoing storyline unlike the other trek shows - the closest is I suppose Voyager in that respect

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Yeah, Enterprise gets a lot of shit it doesn't really deserve. It was easily the most forgettable of the bunch, but I'd also argue it was one of the most consistent when it came to quality. It would likely have done fine if it hadn't been the first prequel. After Enterprise, an entire reboot trilogy and then Discovery, SNW really has it much easier in that regard...

Ep9 was... not good. Not remotely as horrible as I expected it might be, but not good. There was the occasional entertaining moment, so 30 maybe minutes of that could have been okay. The full hour was just entirely too much. Lots of character-driven writing these days, not enough "slightly quirky people just kinda being good at their very interesting job".

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@Proteinnerd, merc - I always enjoyed the opening credits with Rod Stewart and also didn't like the ship, and I tried re-watching the pilot again, and I can't get through it, it's like a sedative to me.

graybags wrote:
paisley1 wrote:

2x7 - Those Old Scientists (TOS, the original series, lolz)
I watched this episode 4 times now.  Probably my favorite Star Trek episode.

Out of what, the entire Star Trek universe or just this crap?

@graybags - Sorry for the late reply, but Those Old Scientists - S2x7 easily tops the charts of everything I can currently remember, it checks every box of what I like about Trek, from time travel where people from the past and the future share a connection, comedy throughout using Star Trek references that make fun of Star Trek (that's very me!!), and it's the classic underdog story where Boimler actually does something right for a change (he usually screws up royally) and gets a chance to prove himself to his heroes, which created a lot of inspired moments, and it was a classic Star Trek scenario of analyzing an ancient artifact on a planet.  With 9.1 on imdb and 100% on Rotten Tomatoes, clearly the larger audience loved it too.

My favorite episode of Stargate, is Window of Opportunity, if that sheds any light on my preferences and what I like to watch, and that's 10 seasons of SG1, 5 seasons of Atlantis, and 2 seasons of Universe, Window of Opportunity = #1.  Classic time loop scenario, oh ya!  In the middle of my BACK SWING!

I like inspired moments and performances relating to the heroes journey, like "One Way Out" from Andor was another amazing episode of television this year, where every factor of production flowed together and scenes connected so perfectly, that it lands on another level to me.

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paisley1 wrote:

Wouldn't it be great if there were a procedural Star Trek on Fridays, 25 episodes per season 40 minutes long that ran from October to May, and was just a playground to explore the universe.  It would be even better if the network executives allowed (instead of suppressed) some great thinkers/intellectuals/scientists to participate in writing stories/situations that dig the existential depths to help bridge the gap between political/social conflicts and taught some actual science.  Imagine if Christopher Nolan produced Star Trek?  Instead they're like, "nahhh, we're gonna write a silly show about relationships." lolz. big_smile Haha.

Ooh, that would be absolutley fantastic to get Star Trek episodes like that again.

paisley1 wrote:

My favorite episode of Stargate, is Window of Opportunity, if that sheds any light on my preferences and what I like to watch, and that's 10 seasons of SG1, 5 seasons of Atlantis, and 2 seasons of Universe, Window of Opportunity = #1.  Classic time loop scenario, oh ya!  In the middle of my BACK SWING!

A classic indeed! One of my favorite star gate episode as well. It's a testament for good writing and execution. Just imagine how the episode would have been with any other 2 characters beeing stuck.

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HEGEMONY - pretty good old school Trek action.

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Yes, 2x10 was great! But to end the season with a cliffhanger the size of merc's quiff revulsion - even if the show is already renewed - is not something I appreciate.

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lighton wrote:

Yes, 2x10 was great! But to end the season with a cliffhanger the size of merc's quiff revulsion - even if the show is already renewed - is not something I appreciate.

so it is over? smile no just old men trying to look with-it

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lighton wrote:

Yes, 2x10 was great! But to end the season with a cliffhanger the size of merc's quiff revulsion - even if the show is already renewed - is not something I appreciate.

2x10 - The seasons are too short to pull off a To Be Continued...., but I guess the story was ok, rescue mission, sure.

@merc, have you bought your copy yet?

https://is1-ssl.mzstatic.com/image/thumb/Music116/v4/c8/37/63/c837632b-5568-de81-a806-d071f3002ebe/780163647525.jpg/632x632bb.webp

That quiff is front and center, and look how high it is too!  Spock and Chapel can't take their eyes off it.

Moze wrote:

A classic indeed! One of my favorite star gate episode as well. It's a testament for good writing and execution. Just imagine how the episode would have been with any other 2 characters beeing stuck.

Lolz, "indeed", yes T'ealc, I see what you're doing there, and if it was anyone else it would've been Sam and Daniel and it would've been hilarious, but "that's just how I feel about it, what do you think." lolz. tongue

https://i.imgur.com/i7Ef9L0.gif

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paisley1 wrote:
Kanga wrote:

This so much, they have taken all the surface aesthetics but they have thrown out the substance of the show and labelled it "Star Trek" and now people are just slobbing it up straight out of the garbage can.

@Kanga - As far as substance, you're absolutely correct, this show is geared for a younger audience, it's playful and adolescent, and does not dig the depths but spends more time focused on relationships than exploration, so much so that the exploration is in the background instead of the forefront. 

Wouldn't it be great if there were a procedural Star Trek on Fridays, 25 episodes per season 40 minutes long that ran from October to May, and was just a playground to explore the universe.  It would be even better if the network executives allowed (instead of suppressed) some great thinkers/intellectuals/scientists to participate in writing stories/situations that dig the existential depths to help bridge the gap between political/social conflicts and taught some actual science.  Imagine if Christopher Nolan produced Star Trek?  Instead they're like, "nahhh, we're gonna write a silly show about relationships." lolz. big_smile Haha.

You and I identify this and we know that it would be a cashcow that they could milk forever, so why are they doing the whole <insert current thing and build relationships>? Once you answer that question, there is no way back wink

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Really enjoyed the last episode. I guess with the writers strike we wont see the conclusion till 2025?

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proteinnerd wrote:

Really enjoyed the last episode. I guess with the writers strike we wont see the conclusion till 2025?

If ever.. lots of shows were cancelled during the last major writer's strike.

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Kanga wrote:
proteinnerd wrote:

Really enjoyed the last episode. I guess with the writers strike we wont see the conclusion till 2025?

If ever.. lots of shows were cancelled during the last major writer's strike.

well well that cloud has a silver lining. It wont  be missed  by me

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merc wrote:
Kanga wrote:
proteinnerd wrote:

Really enjoyed the last episode. I guess with the writers strike we wont see the conclusion till 2025?

If ever.. lots of shows were cancelled during the last major writer's strike.

well well that cloud has a silver lining. It wont  be missed  by me

You know you don’t have to watch it right? Or is someone forcing you? Blink twice if you’re being held hostage and made to watch shows you don’t like.. yikes

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toidol wrote:
merc wrote:
Kanga wrote:
proteinnerd wrote:

Really enjoyed the last episode. I guess with the writers strike we wont see the conclusion till 2025?

If ever.. lots of shows were cancelled during the last major writer's strike.

well well that cloud has a silver lining. It wont  be missed  by me

You know you don’t have to watch it right? Or is someone forcing you? Blink twice if you’re being held hostage and
made to watch shows you don’t like.. yikes

Not allowed to have a different opinion. roll

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toidol wrote:
merc wrote:
Kanga wrote:
proteinnerd wrote:

Really enjoyed the last episode. I guess with the writers strike we wont see the conclusion till 2025?

If ever.. lots of shows were cancelled during the last major writer's strike.

well well that cloud has a silver lining. It wont  be missed  by me

You know you don’t have to watch it right? Or is someone forcing you? Blink twice if you’re being held hostage and made to watch shows you don’t like.. yikes

I've wondered about that too... Is it self-hate when one watches mostly stuff one doesn't like? I don't get it.

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lighton wrote:
toidol wrote:
merc wrote:
Kanga wrote:

If ever.. lots of shows were cancelled during the last major writer's strike.

well well that cloud has a silver lining. It wont  be missed  by me

You know you don’t have to watch it right? Or is someone forcing you? Blink twice if you’re being held hostage and made to watch shows you don’t like.. yikes

I've wondered about that too... Is it self-hate when one watches mostly stuff one doesn't like? I don't get it.

if there is another season i doubt I will. I skipped thru the song and dance eps and didnt watch the last.  It just does not do anything well, just more old trek - more old tng without Picard just quiff-man. The best treks had some theme this has none

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merc wrote:

more old tng without Picard just quiff-man.

Admit it @merc, you went prematurely bald didn’t you?

It’s ok to be jealous of a 50 year old man with a great head of hair.

It doesn’t make you less of a man.

This is a safe space, you can let out all of your feelings of inadequacies here without judgement…..

well, maybe a little bit of judgement.
;D

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proteinnerd wrote:
merc wrote:

more old tng without Picard just quiff-man.

Admit it @merc, you went prematurely bald didn’t you?

It’s ok to be jealous of a 50 year old man with a great head of hair.

It doesn’t make you less of a man.

This is a safe space, you can let out all of your feelings of inadequacies here without judgement…..

well, maybe a little bit of judgement.
;D

lol. it could be hair transplants? I am surprised that quiff man passed the screen test when auditoining. I think they thought they were doing a Picard, they got away with it as he had such formidable prescence like the original Kirk with no physical pretension. its too much like steven seagal with his ever so dyed black hair .......( by the way a rather fat Shatner is now hosting an "Unexplained" series and even appeared in dIscussion with GiorgioTsoulkalos of "Ancient Aliens")

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conmits wrote:
toidol wrote:
merc wrote:
Kanga wrote:

If ever.. lots of shows were cancelled during the last major writer's strike.

well well that cloud has a silver lining. It wont  be missed  by me

You know you don’t have to watch it right? Or is someone forcing you? Blink twice if you’re being held hostage and
made to watch shows you don’t like.. yikes

Not allowed to have a different opinion. roll

Oh, I think I get it now! You can’t read or understand human languages! That’s why you keep thinking people are telling you you can’t have different opinions. And that also explains why you don’t like human TV shows.

How else could you explain your response to my message that had no mention of having opinions or judgement, just a question. It couldn’t possibly be you wanting to play the victim so that you can pretend “they” are out to get you because of your superior brain/race/gender/whatever..