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- lighton
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Re: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds
I moved the (more and more off-topic) side discussion to: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds - 2x8 discussion thread https://forum.next-episode.net/viewtopic.php?id=11612
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New episode is as terrible as I expected, not much more to say about that
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Kanga wrote:New episode is as terrible as I expected, not much more to say about that
Do you think "they" finally want to kill off Star Trek in any of its guises?
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Kanga wrote:New episode is as terrible as I expected, not much more to say about that
I have to agree. Quite simply, awful. It felt like a season 12 episode where they had run out of story-lines and needed to do something 'fun'. I wasn't a fan of the crossover episode in 2x07 either. I don't watch that show and none of those characters mean anything to me. I think this is the best trek in years, but this episode just served as a montage to move relationships forward and I found it lazy.
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merc wrote:Kanga wrote:New episode is as terrible as I expected, not much more to say about that
Do you think "they" finally want to kill off Star Trek in any of its guises?
I think Hollywood have degraded to the point where they don't even understand that they are killing the franchise with this nonsense.
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paulholmes1981 wrote:Kanga wrote:New episode is as terrible as I expected, not much more to say about that
I have to agree. Quite simply, awful. It felt like a season 12 episode where they had run out of story-lines and needed to do something 'fun'. I wasn't a fan of the crossover episode in 2x07 either. I don't watch that show and none of those characters mean anything to me. I think this is the best trek in years, but this episode just served as a montage to move relationships forward and I found it lazy.
Yeah there was hope for this show in my opinion too but it's just getting worse and worse. I just did a quick count, I liked or found 6 episodes tolerable in Season 1, this far I've found 2 episodes tolerable in Season 2.

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2x9! LOVED it! (Ok, not 100% of it, but most of the episode.) Trying something different is always risky, but I'm happy they did it.

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Kanga wrote:paulholmes1981 wrote:Kanga wrote:New episode is as terrible as I expected, not much more to say about that
I have to agree. Quite simply, awful. It felt like a season 12 episode where they had run out of story-lines and needed to do something 'fun'. I wasn't a fan of the crossover episode in 2x07 either. I don't watch that show and none of those characters mean anything to me. I think this is the best trek in years, but this episode just served as a montage to move relationships forward and I found it lazy.
Yeah there was hope for this show in my opinion too but it's just getting worse and worse. I just did a quick count, I liked or found 6 episodes tolerable in Season 1, this far I've found 2 episodes tolerable in Season 2.
If I wanted to watch a musical, I'd be watching a musical, not Star Trek. We all knew it was coming so it wasn't a surprise and I just skipped all the songs. Honestly, I think the money men in Hollywood have finally woken up to how bad the quality of the entertainment industry is now and will use this extended writers strike to make a purge of all the talentless writers. paulholmes1981 the best Trek of late was Picard Season 3 if you missed it, skip S1 & 2, you wont miss anything and just watch S3, it was great.
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proteinnerd wrote:Kanga wrote:paulholmes1981 wrote:Kanga wrote:New episode is as terrible as I expected, not much more to say about that
I have to agree. Quite simply, awful. It felt like a season 12 episode where they had run out of story-lines and needed to do something 'fun'. I wasn't a fan of the crossover episode in 2x07 either. I don't watch that show and none of those characters mean anything to me. I think this is the best trek in years, but this episode just served as a montage to move relationships forward and I found it lazy.
Yeah there was hope for this show in my opinion too but it's just getting worse and worse. I just did a quick count, I liked or found 6 episodes tolerable in Season 1, this far I've found 2 episodes tolerable in Season 2.
If I wanted to watch a musical, I'd be watching a musical, not Star Trek. We all knew it was coming so it wasn't a surprise and I just skipped all the songs. Honestly, I think the money men in Hollywood have finally woken up to how bad the quality of the entertainment industry is now and will use this extended writers strike to make a purge of all the talentless writers. paulholmes1981 the best Trek of late was Picard Season 3 if you missed it, skip S1 & 2, you wont miss anything and just watch S3, it was great.
Thanks proteinnerd , I skipped the songs also, I assume that's what an episode of Glee was like . It reminded me too much of STD. I dreamed up a scene for that show where for some reason the entire main cast were in a turbo lift and Tilly enters, when the door closes with a big smile on her face, she lets out a fart. They all look at her with slight shock at first and then slowly tilting there heads to the side they all smile at her lovingly, because the future is so understanding. Ive seen Picard and Season 3 was easily the best, but I think I enjoyed it more because I knew it was ending and because I just didn't bother questioning the stuff that didn't make sense. But as a whole it was poor. As with most TV these days I tend to mostly stick to stuff adapted from books. A cartoon based on the Destiny novels would be great. All the best guys , hope you have a good day
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Song and dance, symptom of an encounter: C- Rhyming like hip hop, with orchestration: F OFF after 4 minutes: AAA
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I love anything Trek. But this belongs in the litter box.

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Terrible episode what a waste of time, I ended up fast forwarding it after the first 5 minutes. This series just seems to be going downhill fast.
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so eps 9 is the song and dance one? I have yet to watch it. I just can not imagine the old fogey doing a song and dance routine. nor spock for that matter

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I could go on and on about how shit this episode truly was, but I won't. What I will say, however, is that it just didn't work, it was wrong. So, so, wrong. Gene Roddenberry must be turning in his grave. Cancel this mess NOW, for the love of God.
2020. Meh.
190 Reply by merc 2023-08-04 20:04:17 (edited by merc 2023-08-04 20:17:31)
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well I watched it and it failed to deliver. The songs were all promise and nothing else. Uhura was the best of the lot and the only moment that sticks in mind is the short Klingon moment at the end with his strange non masculine voice. funny.I can not remember a single song. A dud episode.if you are going to do this type of thing you need to make sure you have the music. They didnt. I hope this is enough to get this show cancelled. Lighton must feel lonely with no one agreeing with him
191 Reply by paisley1 2023-08-05 01:06:32 (edited by paisley1 2023-08-05 01:39:08)

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2x8 - Under the Cloak of War - Kinda derivative story, but provides clarity to just how bad the Klingon wars were and how the effects are still palpable, and gave lots of exposition of Dr. Joseph M'Benga. Weird ending, like, I'm still kinda confused at how he killed the guy and got away with it and no follow up? 2x9 - Subspace Rhapsody - This concept has been in the zeitgeist for a while, that is, a reality where we all speak in song or live in a musical, and I enjoyed how they came up with a way to put that idea into Star Trek. For being forced into a nebula that would produce a cringey Musical circumstance, the cast crushed their performances, pitch perfect too, especially Lieutenant La'an Noonien-Singh, incredible voice, that was amazing, and at the same time they managed to really get into their characters and move the story forward, bringing us closer to their inner struggles with relationships, all while kinda taking the piss out of Star Trek by not taking themselves too seriously.....unlike Discovery and the vast majority on this forum. To each their own though. I thought it was fun. As for everyone's criticisms, Subspace Rhapsody is VERY on brand for Star Trek, like every gimmicky holodeck episode ever made; like who wasn't laughing at the Doctor sing to Tuvok in "Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy." Just wish there were more episodes per season of Strange New Worlds so this type of episode would feel more like a one-off, to balance out the tone, as every episode so far, feels like a special. Unfortunately, that may be the nature of production limits/problems/ratings in 2023 though. Sadly, the only plot point we know with certainty is that Christopher Pike is going to die soon and Kirk is going to take over, which is kind of a bummer, not a fan, it's like we have something sad to look forward too. 

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It was musically sickening. I could only watch about a quarter of it. I didn't even want to fast forward I just quit watching and switched to something else. It just didn't jive. I liked The Sound of Music though...
193 Reply by merc 2023-08-05 07:50:19 (edited by merc 2023-08-05 07:54:17)
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paisley1 wrote:..... Sadly, the only plot point we know with certainty is that Christopher Pike is going to die soon and Kirk is going to take over, which is kind of a bummer, not a fan, it's like we have something sad to look forward too. 
That is VERY good news, getting rid of quiff-man
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In my opinion: As a Star Trek episode, this was one of the worst ever. As a musical episode on a running series, I think it was pretty well done. The songs were OK, the dancing was not bad and the way it was filmed was great. I'm going to treat this as I do the last season (or 2) of Game of Thrones. It's a myth. It never happened.
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Unpopular opinion: I really enjoyed 2x9!
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Phenjamin wrote:In my opinion: As a Star Trek episode, this was one of the worst ever. As a musical episode on a running series, I think it was pretty well done. The songs were OK, the dancing was not bad and the way it was filmed was great. I'm going to treat this as I do the last season (or 2) of Game of Thrones. It's a myth. It never happened.
What songs? They were all just lines with a singing voice. The music was all build up with no tunes to follow on. Can you hum any? remember any?
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merc wrote:Phenjamin wrote:In my opinion: As a Star Trek episode, this was one of the worst ever. As a musical episode on a running series, I think it was pretty well done. The songs were OK, the dancing was not bad and the way it was filmed was great. I'm going to treat this as I do the last season (or 2) of Game of Thrones. It's a myth. It never happened.
What songs? They were all just lines with a singing voice. The music was all build up with no tunes to follow on. Can you hum any? remember any?
Nope, can't remember any and honestly don't really want to. But if you re-read my comment I didn't just say the songs were OK. Based on the caliber of songs you normally get when a running series does a musical episode, I think they were better written/performed. Pretty low bar, but I still think a little bit more thought went into them than average. All that being said, they tried and good job to them for it. Hopefully they stick to writing a Sci Fi show and not a musical.
198 Reply by paisley1 2023-08-07 04:29:12 (edited by paisley1 2023-08-07 05:11:37)

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Phenjamin wrote:Based on the caliber of songs you normally get when a running series does a musical episode, I think they were better written/performed. Pretty low bar, but I still think a little bit more thought went into them than average. All that being said, they tried and good job to them for it. Hopefully they stick to writing a Sci Fi show and not a musical.
I resonate with that as well, it seemed like a ton of hard work...extra effortful. It's also a new concept for Trek, and I like it when they try new things, and aren't too derivative of the old stuff. It really is a series wide tone issue though that the fans don't like, and it hasn't been enough years since Discovery to wash the bad taste out of the mouth of fans to have done an episode this cringey, as people want classic trek. Also, merc, a TV show with singing in it is unheard of today, and extremely difficult to do, and they were singing their thoughts because they had no choice, they were stuck in the reality the nebula created, so if they felt any strong emotion they were forced by the reality to sing about it. These weren't songs meant to remember, as they were singing the mundane which only added to the cringe, and it's a TV show, not a movie, they just needed to move the needle of the story forward, and they did. Also, Phenjamin, don't let merc bait you, he watches Stargirl and thinks the dumpster fire known as Star Trek:Enterprise is good television...lolz, and apparently he's jealous of Christopher Pike's quiff, is that all quiff's in general or just his, what if they give this new milquetoast James T. Kirk a quiff, will his blandness compensate? I'm yawning just thinking about it. I vote Conan O'Brien should be the new Captain of the Enterprise, just to drive merc crazy.
199 Reply by merc 2023-08-07 05:11:47 (edited by merc 2023-08-07 05:14:13)
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paisley1 wrote:...... Also, merc, a TV show with singing in it is unheard of today, and extremely difficult to do, and they were singing their thoughts because they had no choice,....These weren't songs meant to remember,......
hmmm Zoey's Exraordinary Playlist? Glee? https://next-episode.net/zoeys-extraordinary-playlist "These weren't songs meant to remember," you really think that?????
200 Reply by paisley1 2023-08-07 05:27:05 (edited by paisley1 2023-08-07 05:36:17)

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merc wrote:paisley1 wrote:...... Also, merc, a TV show with singing in it is unheard of today, and extremely difficult to do, and they were singing their thoughts because they had no choice,....These weren't songs meant to remember,......
hmmm Zoey's Exraordinary Playlist? Glee? https://next-episode.net/zoeys-extraordinary-playlist "These weren't songs meant to remember," you really think that?????
Yes. The point was to get out of the nebula and not have to sing. The crew felt just as awkward as us watching them sing. Also, those shows were years ago, and as rare and difficult as I'm suggesting. But more importantly, where do you stand on quiffs?
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