Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (Page 16 of 21)

4x03...let's see it this way, we got the worst episode of the season out of the way...right?

Oh heck if  eps 2 ("Event Horizon" knock off) was bad to you…
Just wait for eps 3 ("The Hangover" knock off).  You'll be longing to rewatch #2 just to burn it out of memory.

Either way, I would prefer bad episodes with the possibility of further good ones, over nothing at all.

So I am gratefully disappointed that we have something. Dont shit in your own back yard, and be happy for what you have.

I accept that's a fair position for some.  If you feel that way, then great.  i respect your position.

But I don't share that position.  It sounds too much like what the producers keep shoveling on the fans:

Willingly accepting trash just gets more trash made.  People accepted Discovery and that lead in a straight line to Starfleet: Academy.  People accepted the 3rd season of SNW including the musical shyte, and that lead to this forth season of lower and lower quality.  And we all saw what that same philosophy did to the Star Wars franchise as well as all of the Marvel universe. And now what James Gunn is doing to the DC universe.  Accept trash and they will lower the bar further until we stop accepting.

I'd rather not accept trash - demand better - and if they don't deliver then I have something like 700 episodes of good Trek to rewatch. For example: I'm working through the remastered TOS and its amazing how much just updating the special effects does.  But its been long enough since watching it that its basically all new again. Just rewatching all the good Treks would be hundreds of hours of nearly-new shows again at this point.

• TOS - 80

• TNG - 176

• DS9 - 172

• VOY - 168

• ENT - 98

• Total - 694 hours

At even a few episodes a week that's years of QUALITY Trek without having to settle for whatever slop they throw at us.

Intertwine other good shows like Babylon 5, Farscape, Eureka, {...} and one quickly finds that there's very little being produced today that compares, which is why its harder and harder to find those good shows being broadcast: They don't want the audience comparing. Thank goodness for having it all on hard media and personal server.

+1

True enough.  I should have said 'episodes' not 'hours'.

Ok.  But then you are almost arguing my side for me - just 15-20 rewatches ahead of me.  I mean you're making the point that someone would rather rewatch the good shows 7-40 times each.  That's a heck of a statement but proves my point: Nobody is rewatching Discovery more than once or twice without vomiting violently.

And yeah - I've rewatched most of the Treks, and Firefly, and Farscape, and the Expense a lot.  Like you I basically burned myself out on the 90's shows and just stopped.  But its been so long since I've rewatched them, its almost knew again.  (Brain damage from a couple motorcycle accidents actually helps me in that respect-haha)

Pretty sure that's what we're already watching and they won't admit it.  This stuff is so... cringe... feels so much like a generative script (or at least outline) produced by a prompt, complete with the 10 canon errors per episode.

Someone mentioned having hope for future episodes.  And I do.  That's why I still watch the current shows once.  I'm still watching SNW as they air out of hope and had some hopeful words to say after s04e01 and even s04e02.  But I honestly doubt they'll ever get rewatched.  Compare that to us all saying we rewatch the legacy shows a dozen times or more.

Yep.

• A - Watch something worthwhile

• B - Do something in the real world whether its make a new prop or suit of armor or go for a walk

I'm okay with those choices: I'd rather do the most mundane thing than re-watch trash.

SNW is not legacy. Agreed.  I tend to refer to legacy as pre-2009 Chris Pratt movie.  Pre-Abrams. Pre-Kurtzman.  Up to the first 10 movies but not the Kelvin and beyond.  2009 was the start of it all going down hill.

I think we're both on the same sheet of music.

I enjoyed Caprica but it got even more religous than the last couple season of BSG2005

https://bleedingfool.com/movies-tv-film … is-adrift/

All of this ties back to one issue. Alex Kurtzman. During his tenure, he kept framing Star Trek as a tool to talk about the present moment, saying the future is just a mirror for today. That sounds oh so thoughtful, but it misses the point entirely. Gene Roddenberry’s vision wasn’t about dragging modern problems into space. It was about showing a future where humanity had moved past them.

I'll stop ya there at "must appeal to the audience". - I don't think its about actually audience *appeal* and hasn't been for a long time. It isn't about some budget episodes in order to make some good ones.  Once broadcast tv died and streaming took over the entire business model changed.

They no longer really care about the appeal of the episode or shows any more.  Because they no longer have the immediate ratings reports and advertisers pulling funding in real time if 3 consecutive episodes suck.  It used to be a show had its advertising supporting it.  Now its all a collective pool of dollars to a streamer for the entire month. A bad show can survive so long as it provided content minutes for the viewers to doom scroll on their TV where that wouldn't have happened in 1978-1995.

Now streamers own the audience for a month because you've already paid your rent for the full month in advance.  They just need to keep you from cancelling.  That's it. All they have to do is provide the minimum amount required to keep you from cancelling.  And the streamers have gotten their optimizations down pat.

10 weeks of SNW can survive a 19 month hiatus
10 weeks of snw - half way in start Dark Matter as the overlap show and people will renew their rent for another month
Start "Mobland" and "Outlander blood of my blood" mid month so people have to renew to see it through to the end

See the pattern here?  It has very little to do with quality of episodes so much as **content minutes** getting dolled out on an overlapping basis.  We all keep hoping for that next good thing to come along so even if SNW was a little disappointing it was minimum quality to keep us when played along side "Reacher" and "House of the Dragon" - none have to be *good*.  Just good-enough collectively to keep people paying their rent to the streamers.

And thus begins the race to the bottom - what's the minimum quality, longest hiatus, shortest season, largest gap between end of show A and start of show B - to keep paying month-to-month rent for their entertainment?

Episode 3 was one of those episodes where the writers said "Fuck it, lets just talk about that one time we got high in pre-production".

or  may be this is just a one episode  season?