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paisley1 wrote:

@WDM - As per your spoiler....

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The message definitely felt preachy and the premise of leaving earth to look for a solution to environmental catastrophe in space is ridiculous, and it seemed as though the crew of this mission completely lost their humanity because of the cause of environmental protection, like a warning not to live in fear, hate, and anger, (like many people involved in causes) but to work with and trust your fellow man, because in the end, technology ended up saving humanity (engineers) proving this environmental mission was completely unnecessary, even though that wasn't the sentiment of the episode that is the logical conclusion, other than that, 306 was just a classic escape from danger episode which I really enjoyed.

The ending of the episode annoyed me so much that I forgot to say that I too enjoyed the "classic" part of the episode smile

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WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:

The ending of the episode annoyed me so much that I forgot to say that I too enjoyed the "classic" part of the episode smile

I swear somebody had already posted that, but the post disappeared? Anyway, yes. This was the most Star Trek episode this season so far.

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The final twist was a fairly standard and predictable "we were the monsters all along". As in, "the potential to be like that is in all of us, we just need to get desperate enough".


paisley1 wrote:

The message definitely felt preachy and the premise of leaving earth to look for a solution to environmental catastrophe in space is ridiculous, and it seemed as though the crew of this mission completely lost their humanity because of the cause of environmental protection, like a warning not to live in fear, hate, and anger, (like many people involved in causes) but to work with and trust your fellow man, because in the end, technology ended up saving humanity (engineers) proving this environmental mission was completely unnecessary

Did we watch different episodes? It was my understanding that they were going away to save humanity from extinction; as in, "this planet is doomed, so we'll run away and try to survive elsewhere". Noah's Ark style. A defeatist attitude that ended up helping exactly no one, because of what you said.

It's basically also in line with them deciding to ensure their own survival no matter how many others die: Let the rest of humanity die on Earth, as long as we survive; then later, kill to survive; eventually, murder entire civilizations just to be able to keep going.

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Since everything I'm responding to was spoiler tagged:

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which should take the rest of the season to answer

Well... Should take the rest of a broadcast season 24episodes.  It would have been a decent story arc if this were a real show and not a 10 webisode streamer show.  10 episodes could be a single story arc if they would go that path.  Just one arc, one story, connected for 10 episodes.  It works great with Countdown and Butterfly for example. But that's not the format of SNW which is to be an anthology show of 1 action, 1 comedy, 1 backstory, 1 fantasy, 1 adventure, 1 romance{...} season cliffhanger.  But no actual story arcs in this show.

The message definitely felt preachy

Yep

other than that, 306 was just a classic escape from danger episode which I really enjoyed.

Agreed

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eps 6 is a redo of a Star Trek discovery eps of that ancient space ship traveling at near light speed with an original crew?

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merc wrote:

eps 6 is a redo of a Star Trek discovery eps of that ancient space ship traveling at near light speed with an original crew?

I was thinking more of the episode titled.

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The Doomsday Machine

Original TOS.

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@some_one

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Whatever way we interpret "save humanity from extinction" the best and brightest wouldn't leave earth because of a simple solvable problem like the environment, they would know that technology could save Earth, and they would work to solve it.

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Episode 7 - strange direction they went with this episode...

And I usually like this type of episode but here it felt more like a regular episode only with bad camera work.

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Documentary type episodes are usually the opportunity for a show to incorporate "behind the scenes" and "blooper"-type of footage...but no they went in the completely opposite direction.

Especially with a title like "What is Starfleet?" they could've shown a summary of an actual deep space exploratory mission where we basically see a bunch of short stories that happened along the way. At the end of the episode we see them coming back into space dock or something like that.

But no they went with "What is moral?" instead.

The story itself was flawed but ok

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So they developed a created a bio weapon out of a living creature over many years but didn't think about away to get it to it's target? That's why they had to call in Starfleet? I call BS.
During the time you develop a weapon you also develop a way to transport it - especially if the size and consistency of the weapon is known and doesn't changing.

Or did I miss something here?

Edited: Don't know why I wrote EP12, but corrected it to EP07 smile

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eps 7. skipped it. bored by this type of thing

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3x7 - Nausea inducing camera use, irritating/annoying guest star, and somewhat plausible story that could've been watchable (it wasn't) if the episode was just done normally. 

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Asking "What is Starfleet?" was so irritating I question why they'd do this, oh, they're just letting us know how irritating Star Trek: Starfleet Academy is going to be.

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It however a prime example of my description for SNW: Its an anthology show now.
1 Action
1 Comedy
1 Fantasy
1 Mystery
1 Documentary
1 Backstory
1 Time travel
1 Old school Trek adventure
1 Cliff hanger to bring you back next year
And that's the season wrapped up.

This is my biggest gripe about these short streaming seasons.  You can do it for a narrow focus plot like Butterfly or Countdown.  Current time frame so no world building.  No long term character deep backstory.  We all know what a cop or federal agent is. We all know what a crime or terror plot is.  So the show focuses on: Define the bad guy, catch the bad guy.

SNW is riding the coat tails of decades of world building and even character defining.  They can get away with that for a few short seasons and then wrap the entire show up after 48 episodes.  They call that 5 years but really its only 2 broadcast seasons.  Without the duration of a 24 episode broadcast season there is no real story arc.  You don't get The Dominion War in 10 streamer episodes.  It can really only be a bunch of nods to something already defined like the Gorn, or well established like Starfleet as an entity.  But it can't ever truly be successful at building something new... They'll never define and flesh out a new race from scratch like TNG and DS9 did.  They'll never have really story arcs again.

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I did not like ep 7 and really quickly tuned out. 'Couldn't be bothered to sit through it.

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Another boring episode, this series is going downhill fast. It seems to me that the writers have lost the plot of what Star Trek is supposed to be about and are getting hung up on political messages.

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3x8 - @merc, did you see the height of the quiff?

https://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/snw-308-earlypreview-2-1280x691.jpg

Star Trek as a comedy is not the right tone, but it's fine, I didn't mind this.

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esp 8 @paisley1. havent watched it yet. But that picture does not look good.  Nurse Chappel needs to learn how to stand up to show her bits, she looks a real frump here. Quiff-man  must use a lot of Brylcreem

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Episode 8...funny, but other than that...meh.

To me it felt more like they were making fun of Vulkans instead of just being funny.
The "science" behind it all played also no part whatsoever in this episode.

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The transformation was more superhero-style than Star Trek, with the hairstyles changing together with the DNA. Speaking of which, I wouldn't call those hairstyles Vulkan?

I think Pike made the worst Vulkan, especially the abrupt talking he did felt off. And La'an couldn't stop herself from smiling. Actually, the only one who seemed really Vulkan was Chapel in my opinion - and that also includes "Doug"...

The whole Katra stuff, the solution basically happened off-screen, what the f*** ?

Too bad, taken seriously they could've really done something with this episode.
For example, they could've made them want to change the whole crew into Vulkans - a Borg-like episode.

Best line in the whole episode - maybe even season smile :

Batel to Pike: Listen up Ears!

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I am not sure about this. Feel free to correct me on this.

I think Pike pulled a Shatner.

Once he was a

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Vulcan

, when he talked he paused quite a bit and was a tad loud. I always hear that Shatner paused alot. They even made fun of it in skits.

That was my thought on Pike.

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As a lifetime trekkie I am so disappointed with the way the writers have totally screwed what could have been a great series, it's becoming worse than DS9 and that was the absolute pits. In their defence at least they steered clear of the totally woke Discovery abomination.

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To me... It basically retconned all of the deep education and studies of Vulcan canon.
All of the years and shows and movies about how important Vulcan institutes are... the diligent work to get into a limited number of slots at a prestigious university... meaningless as these changed crewmembers suddenly seemed to know all they needed to know... math, multiple sciences including nuclear reactors, logic ... somehow changing their genetics also magically gave them all knowledge in multiple disciplines.

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just watched it, well sort off, as I found my self waking up right at the end must have dozed off after the first few minutes. Pike looked absurd and they all behaved absurd rubbishing the Vulcan character. Why was  this eps ever made? clearly by anti-Trek writers

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@merc, I was just thinking that, the writers of SNW's clearly don't know or like Trek, so they're just mocking and deriding it, especially Vulkans, gone are the days where we become Vulkan as a way to learn more about them, now it's just for comedy.  I want the team responsible for Picard Season 3 to make all the Trek shows as that finale was sooo well done, like the tone was right, the action was right, there were no "and then" moments as the story made sense and tied in with what came before....the glory days, unfortunately it's going to be more of this crap.

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After having watched S1 and S2 before starting 3, I believe they fired the original writers. Compared to the first 2 seasons this season 3 is Crap. A huge steaming pile of it. I have no idea why.

Something happened. Quality went way down. I no longer look forward to new episodes.

It is no longer the show I was bragging to all my friends about. I hope it improves quickly. I have never quit a Trek show.

But there is always a first.

Bring back The Orville, so I can have my fix, of good science fiction.

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I'm coming to the same conclusion. None of the writers actually like Star Trek or its legacy and have zero interest in preserving it.

If you wanted to make a parody or just some generic sci fi show, do what The Orville did, that managed to be more respectful while simultaneously making fun of Trek but wasn't actively crapping on it by re-writing lore just for lame jokes.

Its such a shame, I really like the set pieces and think the show "looks" great but its doing more damage to the legacy than good....and by god, Anson Mount (Pike) ,who has been my favourite character, clearly does not have the acting range or skill to play a Vulcan, his portrayal was abysmal, how did that go to air?

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proteinnerd wrote:

I'm coming to the same conclusion. None of the writers actually like Star Trek or its legacy and have zero interest in preserving it.

If you wanted to make a parody or just some generic sci fi show, do what The Orville did, that managed to be more respectful while simultaneously making fun of Trek but wasn't actively crapping on it by re-writing lore just for lame jokes.

Its such a shame, I really like the set pieces and think the show "looks" great but its doing more damage to the legacy than good....and by god, Anson Mount (Pike) ,who has been my favourite character, clearly does not have the acting range or skill to play a Vulcan, his portrayal was abysmal, how did that go to air?

Exactly. When season 1 first came out, I thought it was the best of the trek at the time. I love Anson Mount as Pike. The episodes where clever, sharp and held your interest. Season 2 was even better, with good quality production and plots. I still don't know how to classify season 3.

It kind of reminds me of season 4 of enterprise, just a bunch of non inter connected episodes, with a few good ones. But they did not stop at 10. I always said when you have 10 or less per season, you don't have time to dick around.

Now its alll over the place and more like a comedy. Star Trek was never just a comedy. It was as Gene would say The Wagon train to the stars. No clowns.

I in no way wish to knock the actors on this. This appears to be %100 corporate sticking their collective noses into this.

Holy crap. I just googled "why is Star Trek: Strange New Worlds season 3 so bad?"  And the results are way larger than I thought.

But at least now I know it was just not me.

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1 - I think this is one of the best write ups on what went wrong with nuTrek and what is needed to save it.  Just sharing with others that seem to be along the same mind as my gripes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF_D317vyqk
They make a great point about the difference between 'concept driven' and 'character driven' writing that I hadn't consciously seen before - and now I can't unsee it.

2 - Agree with the writers not knowing/liking Trek.  After all the backlash of how they ruined the Klingons and turned them into f'ing disco dancing joke of the show they decided to stop - and just target the Vulcans instead of the Klingons.  Clearly they only know how to write one given way and will work their way through every species, ruining them all as they try to make them the comic relief.

3 - With every episode I get that much more fed up with this anthology format they've taken

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3x8: Yes, totally over the top (- and probably more Pike hair than merc can handle -) but it worked for me, I really enjoyed it. smile

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And that fight-dance worked out better than I thought it could...

That being said, yes, season 3 is weaker than 1 and 2...