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- WilliamDrakeMcGregor
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Junko wrote:I read IGN and sometimes other sites for the shows I watch but never comment, even though I do often read the comments. This is probably the first time I've actually written about something I've watched. Why? Because I'm mildly emotional and this community seems pretty okay. I... feel lied to. Did Gunn tell me this was going to be a standalone story with only mild references to a universe I, as of yet, have no reason to care about? No, he didn't. But Peacemaker season 1 and everything but the end of S2 made me feel that way. Please don't tell me I'm the dick. Nobody is the dick. I'm just venting. 15 episodes of these two seasons were great. Fun, interesting, deep-enough characters and fun, interesting, deep-enough sci-fi, political, action shenanigans. But that last episode? Come on. I wanted them to do something cool. I wanted them to wrap up waaay more of the story, beyond one major relationship and a less seen one. Just, what?? Why did Gunn suddenly nuke his own show to do conceptual world-building? Haven't we seen a million useless building moments from other shows and movies? I was led, perhaps by myself, to believe Gunn wasn't do that to us with this show. I believed we were being shown a cool story, which would end. It did not. Thank you for reading.
Welcome to the forum  The only thing I can think of is that Season 1 was before he became head honcho of the new DCU. There wasn't that kind of pressure on him to tell a big, decade enveloping, story. With the might of the MCU hanging over him he probably thought everything has to fit together and over-corrected. As we know Gunn reads comments...so let's hope he acknowledges the feedback for the final and considers it in the next projects. Would be a real shame to see this happen again.
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- graybags
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I still think the worst of this show is better than the best of some of the other shows I still watch. It's ridiculous and over-the-top and funny, and that's just what I need sometimes.
2020. Meh.

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graybags wrote:I still think the worst of this show is better than the best of some of the other shows I still watch. It's ridiculous and over-the-top and funny, and that's just what I need sometimes.
what he/she said :-)

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Junko wrote:I read IGN and sometimes other sites for the shows I watch but never comment, even though I do often read the comments. This is probably the first time I've actually written about something I've watched. Why? Because I'm mildly emotional and this community seems pretty okay. I... feel lied to. Did Gunn tell me this was going to be a standalone story with only mild references to a universe I, as of yet, have no reason to care about? No, he didn't. But Peacemaker season 1 and everything but the end of S2 made me feel that way. Please don't tell me I'm the dick. Nobody is the dick. I'm just venting. 15 episodes of these two seasons were great. Fun, interesting, deep-enough characters and fun, interesting, deep-enough sci-fi, political, action shenanigans. But that last episode? Come on. I wanted them to do something cool. I wanted them to wrap up waaay more of the story, beyond one major relationship and a less seen one. Just, what?? Why did Gunn suddenly nuke his own show to do conceptual world-building? Haven't we seen a million useless building moments from other shows and movies? I was led, perhaps by myself, to believe Gunn wasn't doing that to us with this show. I believed we were being shown a cool story, which would end. It did not. Thank you for reading.
Welcome to the forums, great to have you here! Pretty ok, I agree, we're pretty ok. Santah will be so proud of us. lolz. As per your comment, I in no way thought James Gunn was writing a cool story, if anything I thought the ending was completely on brand. Peacemaker is carnal levity that attempts yet often fails to provide catharsis, which is why we watch it...for stupid fun, you know, turn brain off and watch with beer and nachos, and a happy meal, and a party platter, and.......maybe I'm just hungry.....
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Soooo good... can't wait for the next season 

- WilliamDrakeMcGregor
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TheFizza wrote:Soooo good... can't wait for the next season 
You saw that they cancelled it, right? Or are you being ironic? 
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WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:You saw that they cancelled it, right? Or are you being ironic? 
I Just started S2, I was gutted when I got the notification from the phone app today 

- graybags
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Cancelled? I just think there are no immediate plans for a season 3 and that the Peacemaker story will be continued in other shows/films. Bit disappointing, but here's hoping for a season 3.
2020. Meh.

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graybags wrote:Cancelled? I just think there are no immediate plans for a season 3 and that the Peacemaker story will be continued in other shows/films. Bit disappointing, but here's hoping for a season 3.
Here a little bit more info on the subject https://forum.next-episode.net/viewtopic.php?id=12812 Yes, it is not entirely out of the question that there will be a Season 3 but there are no plans for it right now. The story will be continued in other films, which is however what many people criticized...that Peacemaker should've been it's own narrative and not a stepping stone to the new DCU. On that I agree, with Season 1 they managed it perfectly, to make it feel like a part of the universe but keeping the story "local". Season 2 not so much.
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WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:The story will be continued in other films, which is however what many people criticized...that Peacemaker should've been it's own narrative and not a stepping stone to the new DCU. On that I agree, with Season 1 they managed it perfectly, to make it feel like a part of the universe but keeping the story "local". Season 2 not so much.
He probably felt that he had to do it in this way, but it kinda ruined season 2 for me. That and too much navel-gazing.

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Finally finished S01. Never skipped the opening dance - I love it! I liked Leota and Harcourt, but the rest suck. And I'm usually cool with the f-word, but jfc EVERY sentence from everyone? Watched S02E01. Meh, except for Harcourt's bar experience. God, that felt good! Not real, though, cuz we all know what would have happened once she hit the floor and didn't get up. Not enough cars for the orgy-ites. I thought it might be a hallucination until Economos showed up. What a useless scene unless it's referenced later.
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TeaAndApathy wrote:Finally finished S01. Never skipped the opening dance - I love it! I liked Leota and Harcourt, but the rest suck. And I'm usually cool with the f-word, but jfc EVERY sentence from everyone? Watched S02E01. Meh, except for Harcourt's bar experience. God, that felt good! Not real, though, cuz we all know what would have happened once she hit the floor and didn't get up. Not enough cars for the orgy-ites. I thought it might be a hallucination until Economos showed up. What a useless scene unless it's referenced later.
I felt the same way, I honestly couldn't get past ep1 of Season 2 yet. It was just.... a tonal drop from the last one IMO. I wish Economos had been shown to be secretly hanging out with them all and they were all getting along or something. Just too many negative vibes the first ep after ending on a high note at the end of season 1, it was jarring narratively. Also, on several watch throughs I couldn't skip the opening scene either! Just such a good score, and the expressionless faces while doing the dance were definitely interesting. I could say some artsy stuff about interpreting the dance, but I'll pass on that. lighton wrote:WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:The story will be continued in other films, which is however what many people criticized...that Peacemaker should've been it's own narrative and not a stepping stone to the new DCU. On that I agree, with Season 1 they managed it perfectly, to make it feel like a part of the universe but keeping the story "local". Season 2 not so much.
He probably felt that he had to do it in this way, but it kinda ruined season 2 for me. That and too much navel-gazing.
Lol, you guys still have any hope that the DC universe movies, TV shows, or otherwise won't stop being a complete mess? James Gunn is no Kevin Feige (sp?) A Marvel-style merged cinematic universe from DC ain't gonna ever happen. Ever. There's just way too much incompetence and disjointedness out of DC right now for it to happen. I say this as a Huge, Huge Superman fan. I would love nothing more than to have it be so, especially since DC hasn't piecemeal sold the rights like Marvel has. Which is why they can never bring in the X-men with the characters they've popularized, which WERE completely minor characters no one really cared about back in the day. I liked James Gunn's Superman. As a standalone movie it was amazing for a superman fan. I can't believe he pulled Krypto off right. And wow, what a Mr. Terrific. Nathan Fillon has been voicing DC characters, specifically Hal Jordan for a while now. Him doing Guy with the goofy ass haircut was a treat as a DC fan. That said. He's insane if he's going to try and build that universe out. Origin stories exist for a reason, and while we've seen too many superman origin stories over the years and to some extent they're right we don't need another one... to establish a DC universe, you kind of do. What I would love to see more than anything is a Batman/Superman film that covers both their origins and them meeting for the first time. While we're on THAT subject... where's our Smallville remake? A James Gunn version of Smallville would be kinda awesome... may need to write some letters lol.

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Phanlix wrote:While we're on THAT subject... where's our Smallville remake? A James Gunn version of Smallville would be kinda awesome... may need to write some letters lol.
Please, not another remake... I am already worried enough about Buffy and Scrubs 
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OMG. I'm watching a 5:30 interview with the choreographer for season 1 and how she came up with the steps, etc. Since her "assistant" (i.e. husband) is not a trained dancer (just like much of the cast), but moves well, she tried the moves with him first. The interview shows them dancing. Her husband? Alan Tudyk.

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Finished season 2 today and I gotta say this grew on me and I'm disappointed there are no plans for a season 3.

- Deke
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I'm halfway through my 2nd watch, I really like it. such a shame it ended. This is one of the few shows I never skip the title screen, it's so well done and really catchy. When i heard the new song for the 2nd series, at first I was pissed, as I liked the old one so much, but it eventually grew on me and now I like it much more that the first series.
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Tried one more time to get into it. Can't. Same as with Loki, this Multiverse BS is not my piece of cake. In my opinion the whole alternate dimension crap is just an excuse for lazy writers and producers. "Oh, we killed of a character people liked" - "No problem, next episode/season/series/movie he will just be back, from/in an alternate dimension" "Looks like we fucked up the world building by doing x" - "don't worry, next episode/season/series/movie we will just zip all to an alternate dimension where we can start over." Nothing has any consequences - at all. You can just fix any lapse in character planing or development with "just another dimension". And the worst is, if then dimensions "collide" and we see characters meeting their alter egos. Bah... Only very few shows who managed this in a smart way where the alternate dimensions where integral part of the story line and woven in perfectly... like Fringe, Continuum, Counterpart and to some extend Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D (even there, at some point I was quite annoyed as well) So, no matter if I like peacekeeper or not... the setting doesn't work for me. And I really LOVED season 1. But this season. Thanks, no.
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WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:Phanlix wrote:While we're on THAT subject... where's our Smallville remake? A James Gunn version of Smallville would be kinda awesome... may need to write some letters lol.
Please, not another remake... I am already worried enough about Buffy and Scrubs 
They're remaking Buffy and Scrubs? I have no hope for Scrubs, they already tried to do a season without JD and Turk and we saw how that went. Buffy though... that could be interesting. I thought Whedon was done though, given the number of women he abused, including the original Buffy.

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TeaAndApathy wrote:OMG. I'm watching a 5:30 interview with the choreographer for season 1 and how she came up with the steps, etc. Since her "assistant" (i.e. husband) is not a trained dancer (just like much of the cast), but moves well, she tried the moves with him first. The interview shows them dancing. Her husband? Alan Tudyk.
Love that guy. Of course there's a Firefly member involved somehow. Every show I like seems to have one involved in some small way.
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