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Mackster wrote:

Haven't watched the new season. I was disappointed with a lot of last season although I finished it. I am really over the electric waves that happen when they scrunch up their faces and point at something. Very low budget special effects. People get crushed by all theses magic powers and just bounce up and have a go at the other. I want to care about the good guys, I want to fear the bad guys. I read all the books and loved them. Where is the author for the screen play?

But maybe they get it right this time. I hope so. I will be following this thread to find out if it's worth the effort.


The author is dead. His widow was sued for criticizing a previous Wheel of Time pilot when another pilot episode was put out nearly a decade ago. Brandon Sanderson, who finished the series after the original author's death and who's supposed to be providing some direction to this appealed to fans of the books stating that this is another turn of the wheel and that it's not the books which... yeah at this point is very obvious. My guess is he's trying to get some of his own books adapted by amazon and doesn't want to make waves with too much opposition during production of this one. So all 3 people with writing credits for the books are effectively not involved with the show. Brandon Sanderson is pretty critical of season 2 https://winteriscoming.net/2023/10/18/b … 2-finale/. He's the author who finished the series.

Just finished season 2. Am devastated as a book reader. Almost none of this happened in the books, and the few events that did were changed to the point where they're almost unrecognizable.

I'll start by saying the only thing that matched the books fully was how badass the Aiel are. In season 1 we saw Rand's mom go ham and kill like 8 soldiers during while pregnant, and the show has been alright at showing them as some of the deadliest fighters in the world, which is what they are and how they should be shown.

I'm just going to mention a few things that annoyed me the most. I don't know if I can bring myself to watch season 3.

Spoiler

1. Moraine was never shielded for an extended period in the books. She never abandoned Rand or Lan in the books either. This makes zero narrative or story-telling sense to me at all. She spent Rand's entire life looking for him, knows he's the chosen one and is the only person who can defeat the Dark One, you really think she'd let him out of her sight?

2. Egwene killed the Seanchan that was controlling her. In the books she left her there with the collar on, making her a damene as payback. The revelation that Suldam's also could channel was a huge shock to the Seanchan and a major disruption to their society later in the books. So that was actually a HUGE plot point that was changed. On top of being a major change for Egwene's character who wouldn't have killed a captive like that.

3. The Horn of Valere. That was a goofy looking horn. Also in the show they state that it 'summons an army of heroes'. I guess the budget constraints prevented them from the actual army part. I thought it was hilarious that the show is treating it like this huge key in fighting the Dark One when in the show it barely summons 10 people. The books horn summoned around 300.

4. Matt was not a hero of the horn. He's a Ta'veren. The show has actually mentioned Ta'veren and told us there are 5 of them. Rand, Perrin, Matt, Egwene, and Nynaeve. In the books there were only three. Rand, Matt, and Perrin. All Ta'veren influence fate simply by existing. People around them may agree to do things they'd never normally do, extreme cases of luck both good and bad manifest as well around them. Matt in the books has no powers unlike literally everyone else in the group. It's revealed around this point in the books that out of all the Ta'veren he's the one who influences luck the most, and his super power is luck. Which fits given all the gambling we've seen him doing.

5. Rand's fight at the season ending was completely different and way less cool than the books. But what really annoyed me is Moiraine kind of offhandedly mentioning that he was prophesied to announce himself in the sky at Falme. Ummmmmm again why did you abandon him if you knew that prophesies had gone unfulfilled? Why are we just NOW hearing about the prophesies of the dragon, which was a huge part of the books and were constantly mentioned? The prophecies included some Herculean tasks that Rand had to complete to prove to the world he is the Dragon. They drive the plot of the books for most of the series. The TV show offhandedly mentions them once and never elaborated.

6. The seals... those giant stone disks. They didn't hold the Forsaken like some oversized pokeballs. They were the magic seals created to hold the Dark One in his prison. Made of a material that's supposed to be indestructible, in the books the seals had weakened and could be easily broken by hand. When the last seal breaks, the Dark One is fully released and the Last Battle begins. So in the books there's a pretty frantic scavenger hunt on both sides for the remaining seals.

7. The Seanchan are missing their flying lizard mounts they used as scouts. I actually wanted to see the riders and am disappointed we didn't get to see them.

8. Seriously, it wasn't until Egwene, Elayne and Nynaeve were captured that the show started even resembling the books again. There are some really confusing nods to book readers, like Rand burning the letter from the noble in that one scene and Lanfear mentioning that all the people in the room thought he was some far away random lord no one had heard about. That was actually a major storyline in the books and was kind of humorous but lead to the Fireworks guild. The guild of people who discovered gunpowder and kept the secrets of making gunpowder. That's... pretty important later on for some pretty obvious reasons. If I were to create a full list of the changes this would be like 30 to 40 points long. Min never is tempted to give up her powers by working with the dark for example. Sure she hates her sight in the books, but would never work with the Dark to get rid of them.

9. Moiraine destroying the ships with the damenes on them. First off Moiraine is bound by the 3 Oaths, which have been established already. She can't channel to kill unless he life is in direct danger. So her killing those ships shouldn't have been possible. The other reason that shouldn't have been possible is the FACT that those ships were full of women who could channel, some or all of them should have been able to block Moiraine.

In conclusion. This is a very, very, very loose adaptation of the books. The condensing I can understand given how many books there are, but some of the plot changes and character changes... make no sense to the story and are just examples of bad overall story telling. Again the show does an extremely poor job of explaining and presenting the lore of the books too, borrowing from the lore almost at random while ignoring or changing huge points of it.

I desperately want to like this show given it's based on my all time favorite book series. I'm trying to disengage myself from the books and just watch it and enjoy it for what it is, but I can't. I'll hate watch Season 3 when it ends to see if there's any redemption for the series, or to see some other iconic moments from the books and hope they butcher it less than they did this season.

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Thanks for all the details. To me, transforming books to something on the screen is like remixing music... The result can't ever be the same, but you recognize it. And sometimes the original is better, sometimes the remix! smile

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@xxFelixDCatxx, sorry to hear of the massive destruction you've found to sacred canon, but I could've told you that you'd hate it, lolz, it's not that great of a show, I gave it a 6.75/10 and said to watch it with a bowl of sugary cereal in your pajamas on a Saturday morning.  As for skipping plot points, season 3 replaces exposition with harsh cuts, and feels like it really really skips over necessary transitional scenes that would help define the reasons behind which direction they are travelling, at least more so than seasons 1 and 2, so you have that to look forward to during your hate watch of season 3, lolz. tongue 

3x4 was epic though.

3x6 The Hills of Tanchico was really well done.  Did they sing it twice or did Nynaeve and Min just show up at the end of the first sing through?  The editing once again lost me there.  The forsaken are way too powerful, the entire world would simply run amuck without an equal and opposite force against them, they only add to the phoniness.

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paisley1 wrote:

@xxFelixDCatxx, sorry to hear of the massive destruction you've found to sacred canon, but I could've told you that you'd hate it, lolz, it's not that great of a show, I gave it a 6.75/10 and said to watch it with a bowl of sugary cereal in your pajamas on a Saturday morning.  As for skipping plot points, season 3 replaces exposition with harsh cuts, and feels like it really really skips over necessary transitional scenes that would help define the reasons behind which direction they are travelling, at least more so than seasons 1 and 2, so you have that to look forward to during your hate watch of season 3, lolz. tongue 

3x4 was epic though.

3x6 The Hills of Tanchico was really well done.  Did they sing it twice or did Nynaeve and Min just show up at the end of the first sing through?  The editing once again lost me there.  The forsaken are way too powerful, the entire world would simply run amuck without an equal and opposite force against them, they only add to the phoniness.


It's just sad it's not a great show. These books were way better than game of thrones. Plus they're actually finished. The great bearded glacier will never finish A Song of Ice and Fire.

If they're making the Forsaken feel way too OP then that is book accurate. If the Forsaken were capable of uniting and didn't fight and plot against each other the heroes would have been utterly screwed. In the books they each basically took over kingdoms and were ruling from the shadows.

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big_smile @ xxFelixDCatxx

3x8 was a powerful season finale, I really enjoyed almost all of it. Looking forward to getting the show renewed! smile

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3x8, it's good, but like most 8 episode seasons of any show, just felt like they hadn't really fleshed out the story, so, it's still a Saturday morning show, at least for me.

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how long to wait for the next season grrr?

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Never read the books, And I'm glad because those that did don't seem to like the show. I personally love it, the intertwined stories the Forsaken being as dangerous to each other as they are to everyone else is fitting for that level of evil. I can't wait to see the next season after seeing just how powerful Rand actually is. My favorite scene by far was Moraine fighting the Forsaken love the season finale.

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I read and loved the books ánd I'm loving the show, so no not all book readers are haters ;-)

Sure they changed (quite) some things, but I don't remember enough from the books to care that much. The vibe and general story of the books is there IMO, and I love that they have the budget to show some of the epic battles and events. The actors are also getting better (or I'm getting more used to them).

The Rhuidean episode was awesome.

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lowrider wrote:

The actors are also getting better (or I'm getting more used to them).

Ya the young actors are definitely improving and not coming across as acting as much but more authentic/convincing in their roles, and I think part of it is how the production is writing lines for them and capturing scenes, also having Rosamund Pike on set would naturally elevate everyone's abilities over the years.