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paisley1 wrote:
lighton wrote:

Yeah, really enjoyed it too, I got https://next-episode.net/the-magicians vibes (they were spending lots of time 'elsewhere' too in one or two episodes).

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Regarding your "how" comment: While it was said that "The way back will come but once", this clearly wasn't the case. It showed up at least two times after the one when she was tricked, so either "The way back will come but once" is just a myth, or this happened because of her unique power.

Ya, absolutely...

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...it's both, by the sisters own admission they don't know a lot about the portals and Nynaeve has rare abilities, which also has something to do with the sisters conversation about all these children being born at this time in history to prevent the coming darkness, etc, almost as though certain people with abilities will be born with a specific purpose that will be difficult to stop.


Show spoiler.

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It's just another example of the show being trash. In the book, the way came but once. I guess the writers of the TV show can't even handle that bare minimum level of book accuracy.

Book spoilers.

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In the books it malfunctioned because of an item she was given known as a ter'angreal. I'm definitely not watching the show until it's canceled, but I'm 90% sure it was the Dream ter'angreal that allowed her to access the Dream World. When two similar ter'angreal are near each other they can behave in predictable ways. I honestly forget what the specific malfunction was. I think it was revealed there even was one once she got out and the Aes Sedai said the strain in keeping the way open was immense.

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xxFelixDCatxx wrote:

Show spoiler.

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It's just another example of the show being trash. In the book, the way came but once. I guess the writers of the TV show can't even handle that bare minimum level of book accuracy.

Book spoilers.

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In the books it malfunctioned because of an item she was given known as a ter'angreal. I'm definitely not watching the show until it's canceled, but I'm 90% sure it was the Dream ter'angreal that allowed her to access the Dream World. When two similar ter'angreal are near each other they can behave in predictable ways. I honestly forget what the specific malfunction was. I think it was revealed there even was one once she got out and the Aes Sedai said the strain in keeping the way open was immense.

Interesting, very different show to the books then, talk about taking liberties, that'd be frustrating, but ignorance is bliss, I don't mind the show for what it is, but knowing how the writers have desecrated sacred canon/lore like that, seems right on par with my view of the production...it's not supposed to look fake, but everything looks fake. wink  It has that feeling of a Saturday matinee because every set and prop looks like a set and prop, like it's fake; and most of the young cast I can tell are acting, so I never fully suspend disbelief, but I still really like watching it, that's part of it's charm.

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paisley1 wrote:
xxFelixDCatxx wrote:

Show spoiler.

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It's just another example of the show being trash. In the book, the way came but once. I guess the writers of the TV show can't even handle that bare minimum level of book accuracy.

Book spoilers.

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In the books it malfunctioned because of an item she was given known as a ter'angreal. I'm definitely not watching the show until it's canceled, but I'm 90% sure it was the Dream ter'angreal that allowed her to access the Dream World. When two similar ter'angreal are near each other they can behave in predictable ways. I honestly forget what the specific malfunction was. I think it was revealed there even was one once she got out and the Aes Sedai said the strain in keeping the way open was immense.

Interesting, very different show to the books then, talk about taking liberties, that'd be frustrating, but ignorance is bliss, I don't mind the show for what it is, but knowing how the writers have desecrated sacred canon/lore like that, seems right on par with my view of the production...it's not supposed to look fake, but everything looks fake. wink  It has that feeling of a Saturday matinee because every set and prop looks like a set and prop, like it's fake; and most of the young cast I can tell are acting, so I never fully suspend disbelief, but I still really like watching it, that's part of it's charm.

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Actually now that I am thinking about it Nynaeve's trial went through with no issues, other than the trauma of dealing with the trail which is rough on all Aes Sedai. It wasn't until Egwene went to the trial with the ter'angreal that there was an issue. I'm guessing the show is condensing again.

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By the way... Does anyone else chuckle every time they bring out the pacifier witches? big_smile (Sorry, I don't know their official job description.)

https://i.ibb.co/WWm38W7/The-Wheel-of-Time-witches.jpg

Still enjoying the show!

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... yes, the pacifier-gags are quite something ;o))) - and the whole collar/leash/gag thing has quite the kink-factor, too. I'm just wondering, how the hell the damane ever change their clothes with those metall thingies on top.

As a fan of the books I have a really hard time to watch the show - but it's like a bloody accident, you know it's awful, but you can't not look. And is it just me who wonders if todays acting schools teach their students to leave their mouths to hang slightly open with a relaxed lower lip all the time? Especially Egwene and Rand seem to have that one down perfectly (if nothing much else).

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"seen not heard"  I hope  they are not getting paid per line of script...or they really should give them a smaller gobstopper ( uk ) jaw breaker ( yank)  .
https://thechocfactory.co.uk/products/c … gobstopper

Poor old Egwene they really did a number on her with her  makeup.

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lighton wrote:

By the way... Does anyone else chuckle every time they bring out the pacifier witches? big_smile (Sorry, I don't know their official job description.)

https://i.ibb.co/WWm38W7/The-Wheel-of-Time-witches.jpg

Still enjoying the show!


What in the actual fuck is this? Is this the damane from the Seanchan? Wow, just... wow.

Did they put those in there to like... eliminate all the complex dialogue that shows how truly fucked up the Sul'dam/Damane relationship is?

Where the fuck is Jordan's wife in this? Or Brandon Sanderson's worthless ass? Is he sucking up to get a Stormlight Amazon series greenlit? Cause if they do serves him right if they mess that up.

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lighton wrote:
lfresh wrote:

Hey folks
Registered just for this show. Also read the series. Just want it noted that Matt was definitely not a lovable character to everyone. He is actually a play/parody on Han Solo and what kind of an ass that character can be.

Welcome! smile How did you like the first season?

I was fine with it. There was room for improvement and season two is definitely better

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I stuck it out the first season, but i just can't bring myself to continue after two episodes of season 2. I understand that they need to change things up for TV, but the show just doesn't give me any pleasure in watching. Annoyance or boredom are the closest emotions i get.
Still hoping a really good fantasy show will come out one of these days.

if the apocalypse comes.... beep me!

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2x8, season finale: I loved the Heroes of the Horn scene!

Only two more years till season 3! big_smile


Sorry to hear that, johgar.

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good ending the baddies kill one another

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2x8 - Great season ender, always fun to watch.  Glad I don't read the books.

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The Wheel of Time - Season 3 Official Teaser | Prime Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erxeLAg85fg

smile

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The Wheel of Time Season 3 - Official Trailer | Prime Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk0D4OV95bQ

Looks GOOD! smile

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Took long enough.

Can't wait.

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3x4! yikes Wow, wow, wow! Amazing episode... Loved virtually everything! smile <3

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lighton wrote:

3x4! yikes Wow, wow, wow! Amazing episode... Loved virtually everything! smile <3

I liked that they touched on history and various characters. But compared to the other episodes, I found this one rather dull.

And I have never read the books.

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93 (edited by paisley1 2025-03-30 20:45:13)

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Season 3 is much better filming than the first two seasons and feels more like a movie, however, the editing is so fast with so many harsh cuts between plot points I find it a bit jarring and hard to follow things like, dream or real, and where they actually are, without a map. 

@Lighton, 3x4 was a great episode, loved it, especially the whole scifi feel in parts, wow!  History of Oathbreakers, very interesting.

3x5 was filler, moved the plot forward a nudge I guess, this was cool:
https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/the-wheel-of-time-season-3-ep-5-52.jpg?q=49&amp;fit=crop&amp;w=750&amp;h=422&amp;dpr=2

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Yes @ 3x4! Like... "Whoah, what else did get lost over time!?" smile

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lighton wrote:

Yes @ 3x4! Like... "Whoah, what else did get lost over time!?" smile

Exactly! Like things were lost then repurposed into something new, and now people don't really know why they're doing what they're doing.  It gets into the title of the show, Wheel of Time.

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hmm dont agree this 3rd season is a dud so far other than for eps 1 the big fight at the start.

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Heh, didn't mean to kill the conversation in here. Looks like they're at about 1/4 through the books. Unfortunately at this rate that's going to be another decade given the plan for 8 seasons and a whopping 2 year break between seasons.

It doesn't surprise me to hear that there are jarring and condensed plot points. This was a 15 book series with each book at around 400 pages on average, being condensed into 8 seasons with 8 episodes each... it's inevitable there's going to be a LOT missing.

paisley1 wrote:
lighton wrote:

Yes @ 3x4! Like... "Whoah, what else did get lost over time!?" smile

Exactly! Like things were lost then repurposed into something new, and now people don't really know why they're doing what they're doing.  It gets into the title of the show, Wheel of Time.


That was one of my favorite parts of the books. How much was lost during the Breaking of the World. I don't want to spoil anything specific, but I really do hope that the show does impart that people were essentially knocked back into the stone age comparatively to pre-Breaking.

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xxFelixDCatxx wrote:
paisley1 wrote:
lighton wrote:

Yes @ 3x4! Like... "Whoah, what else did get lost over time!?" smile

Exactly! Like things were lost then repurposed into something new, and now people don't really know why they're doing what they're doing.  It gets into the title of the show, Wheel of Time.


That was one of my favorite parts of the books. How much was lost during the Breaking of the World. I don't want to spoil anything specific, but I really do hope that the show does impart that people were essentially knocked back into the stone age comparatively to pre-Breaking.

Yeah, that's how it felt... smile That makes 3x4 such a special episode.

https://next-episode.net/1899 also managed to achieve something like it: building expectations and then... WHOAH, SURPRISE! big_smile

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Haven't watched the new season. I was disappointed with a lot of last season although I finished it. I am really over the electric waves that happen when they scrunch up their faces and point at something. Very low budget special effects. People get crushed by all theses magic powers and just bounce up and have a go at the other. I want to care about the good guys, I want to fear the bad guys. I read all the books and loved them. Where is the author for the screen play?

But maybe they get it right this time. I hope so. I will be following this thread to find out if it's worth the effort.

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lighton wrote:

Yeah, that's how it felt... smile That makes 3x4 such a special episode.

https://next-episode.net/1899 also managed to achieve something like it: building expectations and then... WHOAH, SURPRISE! big_smile

Ugh, you finally made me do it. You finally made me actually watch the show. When Season 1 premiered, I was super excited and had done a full re-read of the books in the months before the first episode, so it was all super fresh, and the changes and cuts they made felt waaaayyyy too glaring. This series of books is probably my favorite all time fantasy series, and it's not exaggerating to say that's out of thousands of books read in my life, so I was kind of emotionally close to the series from the get go too.

When I saw that we'd reached the Trial of Rhuidean and you guys who are show watchers had the same emotional reaction I had when reading it for the first time, I knew I had to see it for myself.

So I've watched through season 1, which I only had made it halfway through the first time and I just... yeah I want to say a few things.


The Positives.

Goddamn the creatures of the Dark are awesome looking. The Faceless Ones (Myrddraal) and Trollocs (the demon beast things) look great. The channeling is also well done for the most part. I like that the Aes Sedai weaves (the magic thready rope looking stuff that you see as they're channelling) are depicted as pure white, and the male channelers are depicted as white with black as well. The black signifies the taint the Dark one placed on the source, which is absorbed by men when they channel slowly driving them insane. This is mentioned in the show, but I think they could have done a better job explaining what we were seeing. That is a reoccurring theme in the show sadly, more on that later. Most of the characters are well done and fit their respective descriptions in the books well. I very much like that the Two Rivers have a dark complexion, whereas Rand and the Aiel are red headed and fair skinned. I also like that the Borderlanders and Lan are depicted as Asian and Siuan (the Amryllian leader of the Aes Sedai) is black. This fits as the various nations in the books were very varied on the people. The story Moraine told of the Fall of Manetherin which was the nation where the Two Rivers was was well done too. The story of Manetherin came up a few times in the books and was something that always stuck with me, hearing her tell it got the ol' tears to well up a bit. Jordan did a good job describing how they held for 9 days waiting for reinforcements. Tai'shar Manetherin as they say in the books.


Things that were mentioned in the show that were NOT explained very well. Read only if you want for in depth book lore that got cut and wasn't shown well... maybe they'll show it better later.

1. Aes Sedai and their Wardens. The show mentions they're bonded 

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Nynaeve when she's tending to Moiraine mentions to Lan she knows Wardens can feel their bonded Aes Sedai's pain. Later when Rand and Moiraine head off into the Blight alone Lan mentions he can usually sense where she is, but she's masking the bond making it impossible. Moiraine also mentions she's masking the bond while their in the Tower earlier but doesn't really explain the significance of that, which is that Lan can't sense her feelings, pain, or where she's at, and also vice versa, she can feel him too. It also does not mention that Aes Sedai can command their Wardens through the bond giving them orders they cannot disobey. Which I know was in the first book. Bonds can also be transferred, but is very rarely done given the intimacy of the bond, Moiraine mentions passing a bond offhand while in the tower in the show.


2. Darkfriends. The term is used for humans who've aligned themselves with the Dark One. The show just kind of offhandedly refers to

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the innkeeper who attacked Rand and Matt

as one, but doesn't elaborate on the term at all in Season 1. In fact I'm disapointed that the Whitecloaks didn't mention Darkfriends more since that's their whole thing, hunting supposed Darkfriends. Their beef with the Aes Sedai is that they consider all Aes Sedai Darkfriends.

3. The Forsaken. They refer to themselves as the Chosen.

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Lann mentions the Forsaken very early in the show as an offhanded comment as does Thom the gleeman (the guy who Matt helped bury the dead Aiel, and who saved Rand and Matt from the Faceless) We get a glimpse of them at the end of Season 1 when we see the big bad that Rand thought he killed actually survived. WHICH IS A HUUUUUUGE DEPARTURE FROM THE BOOKS. He mentions in the final moments at the end of season 1 that some consider him a monster and call him Forsaken to the little girl afraid of the Trollocs, but he is actually the Chosen. The frustrating thing is they were mentioned earlier, but you'd have to be a book reader to realize the significance, I don't see how anyone just watching the show could have possibly picked up who they were, so it was a really really bad reveal on the shows part to the non-book crowd. You're supposed to know there are 13 people who were Aes Sedai Pre-Breaking who betrayed humanity in exchange for immortality from the Dark One, and that the men who are Forsaken are protected from the Taint on the Source that makes men insane. I know I mentioned this in an earlier comment, but the guy who Rand 'killed' end of Season 1 wasn't the Dark One, he was one of the Forsaken.

4. Rand's sword. The heron marked blade.

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The show has a few characters, Lan, the Darkfriend Inkeeper, and the big bad at the end of season 1 all remark on the Heron mark on Rand's blade. But NONE of them explain what that means! A heron mark blade is only given to swordmasters who are top tier. And on top of that some of the swords (Rand's included) are literal magic swords forged by Aes Sedai that are eternally sharp, never rust, and are thousands of years old. At this point Rand should have had at least 5 interactions where people are super intimidated by him just on seeing the heron marks, to the point where he gets a cover for his sword and starts covering the marks because he's not a swordmaster and those marks are writing checks he can't cash so to speak.



Conclusion. Overall so far having just watched season 1, I'm liking this more on a second try around. I was too emotionally close to see it for a good show given the glaring changes.... like... Perrin's wife's entire existence. The show is overall a pretty good adaptation of the books, but... my biggest complaint is how condensed it all is. They skipped months of Rand and Matt's journey to Tar Valon in literal seconds. Like... one frame they're fleeing the farm they were staying at, and the next they're suddenly there and they casually mention over a month has passed. They skipped entirely the story of Egwene and Perrin post Whitecloaks, and the river boat captain who Matt and Rand traveled with initially. Thom the gleeman gets a criminally short amount of screen time as we see him rob Matt, bury the Aiel, and save them from the Fade, but none of his travels with Matt and Rand, nor teaching Rand and Matt some basics of how to be a gleeman. Loial the Ogier

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dies at the end of Season 1? Except he doesn't, I looked it up already. I couldn't believe they killed him off and had to look it up to make sure they didn't make that HUGE of a change.

They also missed the Padan Fain jail scene from the books which was a hugely gruesome scene and makes his character far, far less menacing than he should be.

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In the books Padan is detected by Perrin early enough that he's arrested and placed in jail. Padan is NOT one of the Forsaken, but is a Darkfriend who's been... deeply infected by the Dark One's darkness. While in jail all the other inmates and the jailers go insane from being around him for a prolonged period, and gouge their eyes out, chew out their own tounges to kill themselves, or experience fear so deep that they wear their hands down to bloody stumps trying to claw their way through the stone walls of the jail, dying of blood loss. Padan gets out of the jail during the Trollocs raiding the city while Rand is in the Blight doing his thing, and he goes and kills the guards at one of the gates opening it for the Trollocs and leading to the fall of the city... in the books. Instead we did get an admittedly cool scene where 5 Aes Sedai linked with Egwene and Nynaeve wreck the Trollocs, which is book accurate given Egwene and Nynaeve are two powerhouses. It was also cool seeing the other 3 and partially Nynaeve burn themselves out which is a risk when channeling that hard.


Overall, this ain't bad. I'm sure I'll torture you guys with some in depth posts on Season 2 and 3 here shortly lol. Sorry for the novel. Appropriate given how long the book series was smile