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xxFelixDCatxx wrote:
merc wrote:

eps 8 end of season?  some good action scenes

Spoiler

well Mat makes one final? appearance entering the dark city again. 

Spoiler

So the big battle was not the big battle after all lol and all 5 of them figure and the story is not really about the dragon after all. rather an anti climax? And who are those nasty looking Amazons at the end coming in their boats and wiping out that poor liitle kid on the beach.....what did the kid do to deserve  that! seems like we are back at the beginning again? I take it we are at the end of the season?


I had to stop watching because I loved the books and this is at this point a terrible travesty to the original works. I hope they stop making it.

I can answer your questions from the book. But careful reading as I could spoil future seasons.

Spoiler

The first battle against the dark one at the end of book one wasn't against the actual Dark One. It was against Ishmael (sp?), one of the Forsaken. The Forsaken are a set of 13 people who are given immortality in exchange for serving the Dark One. When the Dark One was sealed in his prison, the Forsaken were also sealed... but closer to the surface. As the seals weaken the Forsaken are getting loosed into the world. Think of them as the 4 horseman. Anyways Ishmael had gone crazy and thought he was the Dark One in the books, it is later revealed.

And second question.

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These are the Seachan. Basically they're the descendants of Arthur Hawking's armies who left and settled another continent. Think Europeans that settled the US then went uncontacted for 2000 years sort of stuff. The Seachan believe that all the people in the main continent deserve to die for abandoning their promises to Hawking, which honestly is just their religious bullshit. The Seachan use leashed Aes Sedai, which give them control of their powers through the leash, and they are not as non-violent. Their ongoing invasion of the main continent will be a driving plot point for the next few seasons.

I can see why you dont lke this a gross simplification of the books

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I tried to look at it as I did with Cowboy Bebop: a show in and of itself.  But it was hard.  As for season 2? Well, I love a bloody, mangled train wreck as much as anyone so I'll watch because I probably won't be able to help myself.  If it does get cancelled for some reason, though, I won't mourn it.

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merc wrote:
xxFelixDCatxx wrote:
merc wrote:

eps 8 end of season?  some good action scenes

Spoiler

well Mat makes one final? appearance entering the dark city again. 

Spoiler

So the big battle was not the big battle after all lol and all 5 of them figure and the story is not really about the dragon after all. rather an anti climax? And who are those nasty looking Amazons at the end coming in their boats and wiping out that poor liitle kid on the beach.....what did the kid do to deserve  that! seems like we are back at the beginning again? I take it we are at the end of the season?


I had to stop watching because I loved the books and this is at this point a terrible travesty to the original works. I hope they stop making it.

I can answer your questions from the book. But careful reading as I could spoil future seasons.

Spoiler

The first battle against the dark one at the end of book one wasn't against the actual Dark One. It was against Ishmael (sp?), one of the Forsaken. The Forsaken are a set of 13 people who are given immortality in exchange for serving the Dark One. When the Dark One was sealed in his prison, the Forsaken were also sealed... but closer to the surface. As the seals weaken the Forsaken are getting loosed into the world. Think of them as the 4 horseman. Anyways Ishmael had gone crazy and thought he was the Dark One in the books, it is later revealed.

And second question.

Spoiler

These are the Seachan. Basically they're the descendants of Arthur Hawking's armies who left and settled another continent. Think Europeans that settled the US then went uncontacted for 2000 years sort of stuff. The Seachan believe that all the people in the main continent deserve to die for abandoning their promises to Hawking, which honestly is just their religious bullshit. The Seachan use leashed Aes Sedai, which give them control of their powers through the leash, and they are not as non-violent. Their ongoing invasion of the main continent will be a driving plot point for the next few seasons.

I can see why you dont lke this a gross simplification of the books


No, the reason I don't like it is another comment you made earlier. You said Matt was no great loss to the show, cause he was a loser. And you're right, show Matt is. Matt in the books is basically Han Solo, and he's one of the favorite characters of a lot of book readers for a ton of really really good reasons.

Matt book spoilers, I'm trying to keep it vague, but be warned.

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At some point he saves almost every major characters life. Not all at once, in book 2 he saves Nynvanae/Elayne, book 3 Egwene, book 4 and 5 Rand and Lan more than once, etc. He routinely goes up against Aes Sedai and outsmarts them too, making his rather critical role super, super exciting. My favorite is one man storming a castle with fireworks, and a freaking staff.

Imagine if someone read the script for Star Wars, looked at Han Solo, and was like... you know what he needs? Drunk parents and siblings he has to take care of and be responsible for and worry about all the time.

Here, I'm gonna spoil a future plot point, but I can see almost 2 seasons ahead what their plan was with Matt at this point.

Spoiler

Okay, so without spoiling too much, basically 2 Rivers gets attacked in the future, as an attempt to draw the Dragon Reborn back to his hometown. In the books, Perrin goes back alone to rally the town and deal with the issue. However, when he gets back, he finds that his entire family, and SPECIFICALLY, all his sisters were murdered by the Trollocs. It was a huuuuuge plot point for Perrin, cause up to this point he was having these dreams about choosing an axe or hammer, symbolic of his decision to fight, or run away and go back to being a blacksmith, since he hated fighting. In this plotline he realizes that he has to fight to defend the world, he has no choice.

I virtually guarantee that they're going to kill Matt's family instead. Because that's the 'dark' decision, and they want to be Game of Thrones so bad, that 'next game of thrones' is basically the sum up of their advertising material. I bet this because we've not been introduced to Perrin's family at all yet, when in the books we'd already seen a bit of his family and sisters. Whereas Matt's family went almost entirely unremarked through the books. The only thing I remember much were Matt's brothers and sisters pulling some archery defense of the town on the rooftops. I genuinely remember no other mentions through the rest of the books.

I can't state how much I loved these books btw, and how badly the show has been handled up to this point.

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In 108, did they film this on the dark side of the moon, like, I get that night scenes are lit with torchlight, but why is it so hard to see what's going on?  Also, not enough episodes, only 8, seriously, like come on, at least 15 episodes/season, this is too simple not to make more.  I thoroughly enjoy Rosamund Pike's exposition moments, and I wish they'd made a bunch of bottle episodes of her just recalling the past and bringing the backstory of this world into context even more.

Looking forward to next season.

6.75/10.

@xxFelixDCatxx Even apart from your dislike of this adaptation and it's departures from the book, the B grade you gave it, (or 7.5/10) is WAY too high, just as a TV show alone it's not that good, and I love this show, lolz! wink

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1x7

Excellent fight scene at the beginning! Pure quality. Can't complain about the rest of the episode either. smile

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I am also a big fan of the books, but it's been so long since I last read them that I really enjoy the show. Whatever changes they made, the story is still great and it's great that they throw this budget against it. I do hope it continues until the end.

I get the criticism of book fans and people who have never read it tho.
I guess I'm in the sweet spot between knowing what's happening and (vaguely) will happen so that I don't mind some messy or vague explanation or character development, and not remembering the books enough to mind changes they did against the story and characters.

But yes, Matt's character is too far from the books, where he is awesome. Perrin is the same annoying guy tho.
And yes, 8 episodes per book is far from enough.

https://next-episode.net/sig/sig.php?alias=default&kk=6a8a6be017f155ddf75243c3ce62695b

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lowrider wrote:

And yes, 8 episodes per book is far from enough.

Can't agree more! And thanks for sharing your perspective, I'd like to read more when we watch season 2.

Still haven't watched 1x8, maybe this weekend. smile

Happy New Year!

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All I can say is that they truly butchered the books for no reason.

The story being told is not only different, it's utterly sub-par to anything found in RJ's story.

Adapting books to television is always difficult and changes are necessary, but trying to cram one of the best high fantasy books into an eight episode season was a bad idea to begin with, and that's without cutting away 90% of the original and adding 75% dreamt-up nonsense as filler.

I went into this fully expecting a truncated, yet true-ish to the books, series. I had medium expectations, which has now dwindled to near zero.

There are a few scenes that just oozes "well done", such as nearly all the channeling except episode 8, and the Aiel female fighting and birthing scene.

Having read the entire series twice, and listened to the audio version several times over the decades, my memory is way too fresh not to flinch at every single inaccuracy.

Not having read the GoT books, I hope none of Martin's fans felt like I did after watching this debacle.

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Daergar wrote:

Having read the entire series twice, and listened to the audio version several times over the decades, my memory is way too fresh not to flinch at every single inaccuracy.

Not having read the GoT books, I hope none of Martin's fans felt like I did after watching this debacle.

Maybe you are too familiar with/ used to the original version to enjoy the deviations? If your given name is John, and suddenly everyone calls you Freddy, that must be irritating too for quite a while. smile

I wish I could know the content that you refer to as "cutting away 90% of the original" without spending the time to read xxx pages... cool

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lighton wrote:

I wish I could know the content that you refer to as "cutting away 90% of the original" without spending the time to read xxx pages... cool

You can.
https://dragonmount.com/Books/eye_of_the_world/summary/

Encyclopaedia-wot.org was even better, but it seems to have been shut down. At least, I got a server error. It worked 4 weeks ago. wink

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TeaAndApathy wrote:
lighton wrote:

I wish I could know the content that you refer to as "cutting away 90% of the original" without spending the time to read xxx pages... cool

You can.
https://dragonmount.com/Books/eye_of_the_world/summary/

Encyclopaedia-wot.org was even better, but it seems to have been shut down. At least, I got a server error. It worked 4 weeks ago. wink

Thanks. https://dragonmount.com/Books/eye_of_the_world/summary/ makes me believe they hardly cut away anything for the TV show. cool

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Daergar wrote:

All I can say is that they truly butchered the books for no reason.

The story being told is not only different, it's utterly sub-par to anything found in RJ's story.

Adapting books to television is always difficult and changes are necessary, but trying to cram one of the best high fantasy books into an eight episode season was a bad idea to begin with, and that's without cutting away 90% of the original and adding 75% dreamt-up nonsense as filler.

I went into this fully expecting a truncated, yet true-ish to the books, series. I had medium expectations, which has now dwindled to near zero.

There are a few scenes that just oozes "well done", such as nearly all the channeling except episode 8, and the Aiel female fighting and birthing scene.

Having read the entire series twice, and listened to the audio version several times over the decades, my memory is way too fresh not to flinch at every single inaccuracy.

Not having read the GoT books, I hope none of Martin's fans felt like I did after watching this debacle.


Agreed, I bowed out at ep5. It makes me sick to my stomach that this is what we got in the end. 0/10 knowing what could have been.

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I've never read the books, so to me, its been fantastic!