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76 Reply by paisley1 2021-11-01 16:52:02 (edited by paisley1 2021-11-01 17:53:38)
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Re: Foundation [Drama, Sci-Fi]
merc wrote:To have to wait until the very last eps for any thing good is a sign of failure. This show has so liitle drama in it, after the air bridge esp that is ( and what a stupid idea that is, fantasy gone mad - havent they heard of teleportation? some times you need to update a book with more modern ideas otherwise it comes across as just quaint ) rating? 4/10
4/10? So you watch ironically or hate watch Foundation? lolz. I'm like that while watching Discovery. A bit harsh, but understandable when you want a show to be great, but it just doesn't work and you're frustrated. I agree the technology is a bit crude and outdated, but what this last episode uncovers is that... ▼Spoiler ...the Cleons were suppressing technologies like FTL (Faster Than Light Jump Drives), and possibly many others like teleportation, as a part of maintaining their control, and the Galactic empire should be far more advanced than it is, but it's not, and the galaxy is slowly waking up to the scope of the tyranny. If you think about it it's not dissimilar to the suppression of technological advancement today where big companies buy technologies and patents and then destroy them so they can continue to sell their garbage products that keep people subservient. (Or governments hide them like Area 51 and all the flying saucers! ) The concepts are so juicy and interesting, it's just unpacked on screen so poorly and flippantly that it doesn't resonate like it should.
77 Reply by merc 2021-11-01 21:24:57 (edited by merc 2021-11-01 21:41:39)
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Re: Foundation [Drama, Sci-Fi]
paisley1 wrote:merc wrote:To have to wait until the very last eps for any thing good is a sign of failure. This show has so liitle drama in it, after the air bridge esp that is ( and what a stupid idea that is, fantasy gone mad - havent they heard of teleportation? some times you need to update a book with more modern ideas otherwise it comes across as just quaint ) rating? 4/10
4/10? So you watch ironically or hate watch Foundation? lolz. I'm like that while watching Discovery. A bit harsh, but understandable when you want a show to be great, but it just doesn't work and you're frustrated. I agree the technology is a bit crude and outdated, but what this last episode uncovers is that... ▼Spoiler ...the Cleons were suppressing technologies like FTL (Faster Than Light Jump Drives), and possibly many others like teleportation, as a part of maintaining their control, and the Galactic empire should be far more advanced than it is, but it's not, and the galaxy is slowly waking up to the scope of the tyranny. If you think about it it's not dissimilar to the suppression of technological advancement today where big companies buy technologies and patents and then destroy them so they can continue to sell their garbage products that keep people subservient. (Or governments hide them like Area 51 and all the flying saucers! ) The concepts are so juicy and interesting, it's just unpacked on screen so poorly and flippantly that it doesn't resonate like it should.
If I start watching some thing then generally I will see it to the end as long as it has a few good points. This is how it is with Supergirl now, started off fine then went Woke big time & turned kara into captain marvel without the humour. One exception that Y: The last Man . I just do not care how it turns out so stopped. The Y: last man 1/10 The Air Bridge thing sticking up into the sky is absurd ( am surprised Asimov went with it) a rotating planet, an atmosphere with winds knocking it all around at different levels, gravity trying to pull the bits down. And it taking how many hours to descend? And the whole season depends on its destruction?
78 Reply by paisley1 2021-11-02 02:54:48 (edited by paisley1 2021-11-02 03:27:16)
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merc wrote:The Air Bridge thing sticking up into the sky is absurd ( am surprised Asimov went with it) a rotating planet, an atmosphere with winds knocking it all around at different levels, gravity trying to pull the bits down. And it taking how many hours to descend? And the whole season depends on its destruction?
If you mean, you just didn't like the special effects, fair enough, I wasn't crazy about it either, but the season was in no way dependent upon the space elevator going down, but on any rebellion starting that aligned with psycho history. Outdated technologies like Space Elevators that seem too antiquated for such an advanced society depicted in Foundation, I think are... (...Merc, I invite you to read the spoiler below...) ▼Spoiler ...written to look that way on purpose. My working theory, is that the antiquated concept of a space elevator, is written into Foundation intentionally to look antiquated, to show the power the Cleon's have, that they have suppressed technologies that would replace a space elevator like teleportation. Such technologies would also replace the need for their genetic dynasty and they would no longer have control if such things got out. They want to keep their power and tyranny, so the technology of the galaxy is suppressed. Get it? Again, that's just a working theory regarding the use of an antiquated device such as a space elevator, otherwise, you're right, it just looks old fashioned.
79 Reply by merc 2021-11-02 11:25:48 (edited by merc 2021-11-02 11:28:07)
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Re: Foundation [Drama, Sci-Fi]
paisley1 wrote:merc wrote:The Air Bridge thing sticking up into the sky is absurd ( am surprised Asimov went with it) a rotating planet, an atmosphere with winds knocking it all around at different levels, gravity trying to pull the bits down. And it taking how many hours to descend? And the whole season depends on its destruction?
If you mean, you just didn't like the special effects, fair enough, I wasn't crazy about it either, but the season was in no way dependent upon the space elevator going down, but on any rebellion starting that aligned with psycho history. Outdated technologies like Space Elevators that seem too antiquated for such an advanced society depicted in Foundation, I think are... (...Merc, I invite you to read the spoiler below...) ▼Spoiler ...written to look that way on purpose. My working theory, is that the antiquated concept of a space elevator, is written into Foundation intentionally to look antiquated, to show the power the Cleon's have, that they have suppressed technologies that would replace a space elevator like teleportation. Such technologies would also replace the need for their genetic dynasty and they would no longer have control if such things got out. They want to keep their power and tyranny, so the technology of the galaxy is suppressed. Get it? Again, that's just a working theory regarding the use of an antiquated device such as a space elevator, otherwise, you're right, it just looks old fashioned.
well if there was no attack on the space elevator those two planets would not have been attacked as payback and those soldiers from one of them with the one eyed gal would not have invaded terminus to find a means to revenge?
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lighton wrote:Most of you guys complain about the show, but it still holds a good IMDb rating. I hope for more seasons!
Isnt 7.3 really bad for a series? Compared to series i really like it seems medioker at best. paisley1 wrote:Given what we've seen so far, what would everyone on next-episode rate Foundation out of 10?
6.5/10 so far, might up it to 7/10 if it keeps improving.
81 Reply by BingeWatcher415 2021-11-02 17:08:24 (edited by BingeWatcher415 2021-11-02 17:09:11)
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Am I the only person here that is really enjoying Foundation? I've had to rewatch episodes to pick up details and nuances in the story. Usually multi=task while watching TV but in this case, doesn't work for me. From what I understand, Asimov's foundation was the inspiration for Star Wars and other sci-fi movies/series. I'd love to hear/see what the critics of the show would do instead. Has anybody with insight about the show written books or produced movies/shows? 8 out of 10 for me. Might go up or down depending on how I feel after Season 1 is finished.
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I'm 5 episodes in and I'm quite enjoying it. Far more entertaining than the snoozefest that is The Expanse, but maybe that's an unfair comparison. For me, I'd say... 7/10.
2020. Meh.
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I don't have time now to catch up with everything here, so just a quick reply: Moze wrote:lighton wrote:Most of you guys complain about the show, but it still holds a good IMDb rating. I hope for more seasons!
Isnt 7.3 really bad for a series? Compared to series i really like it seems medioker at best.
No, 7.3 is "good". Sure, there are shows with even better ratings, but 7.3 is well above mediocre. I rated Foundation 8/10. The Expanse is discussed here: https://forum.next-episode.net/viewtopic.php?id=9054
84 Reply by paisley1 2021-11-04 20:42:10 (edited by paisley1 2021-11-05 19:08:07)
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merc wrote:well if there was no attack on the space elevator those two planets would not have been attacked as payback and those soldiers from one of them with the one eyed gal would not have invaded terminus to find a means to revenge?
No, a rebellion in any form against the rule of the Cleons would still have happened, which didn't have to be the specific attack on the space elevator, that's irrelevant, it could've taken on any form, and the show would've just been different. I suppose, any time a story uses prophecy, it can look contrived; I thoroughly enjoy the prophetic motif in storytelling. Playing on determinism and paradoxes I really enjoy, like in the Matrix, "What's really going to bake your noodle later on is, would you still have broken it if I hadn't said anything?" That's fun. Lighton wrote:No, 7.3 is "good". Sure, there are shows with even better ratings, but 7.3 is well above mediocre.
I agree, 7.3/10 is very good. To find a show that's a 7/10 or higher is hard to find. Most shows on today are near unwatchable, and Foundation is definitely watchable. @Bingewatcher415, welcome, glad you weighed in. I'm enjoying Foundation, but I'm also annoyed with certain aspects that could've been done better, thus....forums.
85 Reply by merc 2021-11-06 11:31:30 (edited by merc 2021-11-06 11:32:34)
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▼Spoiler Well Empire got very red in eps 8. and proved to be lack a soul as he did not get a vision, also a liar. sounds like the UK's Boris Johnson
86 Reply by graybags 2021-11-06 11:38:19 (edited by graybags 2021-11-06 11:38:39)
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merc wrote:▼Spoiler Well Empire got very red in eps 8. and proved to be lack a soul as he did not get a vision, also a liar. sounds like the UK's Boris Johnson
Interesting. Where are you from so I can take the piss out of your country's leader?
2020. Meh.
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graybags wrote:merc wrote:▼Spoiler Well Empire got very red in eps 8. and proved to be lack a soul as he did not get a vision, also a liar. sounds like the UK's Boris Johnson
Interesting. Where are you from so I can take the piss out of your country's leader?
The UK so I am entitled lol
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I'm already lost in the timeline what is happening when.
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has Gaal gone for good now? I hope so. hope her pod has a malfunction and she sleeps until the end of the universe. she does othing other than count primes. what sort of person does that? every one knows there is no algorithm for getting them so a stupid thing to do.
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merc wrote:has Gaal gone for good now? I hope so. hope her pod has a malfunction and she sleeps until the end of the universe. she does othing other than count primes. what sort of person does that? every one knows there is no algorithm for getting them so a stupid thing to do.
Yes 100% agree, what a garbage character, behaves like a shitty kid, can't act for shit. And all this talk about "math" like it's som ancient magic is really lame.
91 Reply by paisley1 2021-11-12 22:12:42 (edited by paisley1 2021-11-12 22:15:18)
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109...set up episode. Ugh. ▼Spoiler The plot against brother dawn and his captors so quickly thwarted by brother dusk, felt rushed, I would've liked to have seen that stretched out a little longer and unpacked a little better, but it was the best part of the episode. Sal's father used Salvor Hardin's famous quote from the books "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." as a teaching lesson to a young Salvor Hardin, yet, we see Salvor Hardin in this episode being violent, so, congratulations on your incompetence. The whole Terminus story is by far the weakest part of this show. Love the Invictus though, can't wait to see what else that ship can do. Hari shows up, surprise surprise, /S , again, deflationary approach to the story.
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▼Spoiler paisley1 wrote:109...set up episode. Ugh. The plot against brother dawn and his captors so quickly thwarted by brother dusk, felt rushed, I would've liked to have seen that stretched out a little longer and unpacked a little better
Yeah, that felt rushed. Them successfully being able to insert the doppelganger at the very top would have allowed for half a season of material!
93 Reply by merc 2021-11-15 12:09:16 (edited by merc 2021-11-15 12:09:32)
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paisley1 wrote:lighton wrote:▼Spoiler paisley1 wrote:109...set up episode. Ugh. The plot against brother dawn and his captors so quickly thwarted by brother dusk, felt rushed, I would've liked to have seen that stretched out a little longer and unpacked a little better
Yeah, that felt rushed. Them successfully being able to insert the doppelganger at the very top would have allowed for half a season of material!
Absolutely, like I said before, there should be at least 20 episodes per season, with plenty of bottle episodes, to create some room to fully unpack and explore everything in the Foundation series. It just doesn't do the story any service to rush.
I agree you need to booze up to get you through this dull programme
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This show feels like a big budget garbage, cannot decide to drop it or continue to watch it. Some bits are interesting and then back to fake and boring.
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g371 wrote:This show feels like a big budget garbage, cannot decide to drop it or continue to watch it. Some bits are interesting and then back to fake and boring.
well only one eps left? I am inclined to agree. shows like this worship at the books altar.
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Both of you should stop watching the show. Those of us who appreciate the show should continue.
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lighton wrote:Both of you should stop watching the show. Those of us who appreciate the show should continue.
too late as season is over bar an eps or 2
98 Reply by g371 2021-11-16 15:30:58 (edited by g371 2021-11-16 15:33:52)
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▼Spoiler is it a door?! yes piu, piu smiling Hari appears also noticed the magical resurrection of everybody who were lying on the ground until "null field" was not turned off by tapping twice on a magical thingy? they cannot remember from where people came originally, have nanobots and still have toothbrushes in bathrooms also some low end bow makes a total sense when you have lasers and remote control space ships you can use as guns
99 Reply by merc 2021-11-17 16:05:14 (edited by merc 2021-11-17 16:06:43)
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g371 wrote:▼Spoiler is it a door?! yes piu, piu smiling Hari appears also noticed the magical resurrection of everybody who were lying on the ground until "null field" was not turned off by tapping twice on a magical thingy? they cannot remember from where people came originally, have nanobots and still have toothbrushes in bathrooms also some low end bow makes a total sense when you have lasers and remote control space ships you can use as guns
▼Spoiler was this door opening & Harry whats his name coming out in the book? And the object was not made by Harry and his cohorts so how did he get access to it? and how did it get there in the first place? smacks of "Another Life"
100 Reply by g371 2021-11-18 16:16:34 (edited by g371 2021-11-18 16:26:02)
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merc wrote:▼Spoiler was this door opening & Harry whats his name coming out in the book? And the object was not made by Harry and his cohorts so how did he get access to it? and how did it get there in the first place? smacks of "Another Life"
▼Spoiler or how he even is walking? he is not supposed to be dead? or there will be some magic, that girl already stepped into supernatural powers area also when they did that "jump" - one guy "dreamed" them home, she was not affected by the jump because she is a superman cousin, but what about the two more characters who also jumped? huntress was so fresh that she managed to fight right after
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