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1 Topic by proteinnerd 2021-02-04 08:37:04 (edited by lighton 2021-02-04 20:16:12)
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Topic: Joss Whedon accusations
Moderator edit: The following posts were split off the 'The Nevers' thread here: https://forum.next-episode.net/viewtopic.php?id=10538 --- Didn't the network dump Whedon from the show because of the Justice League racism fallout? https://www.nme.com/news/film/joss-whed … ms-2826959 so it probably won't be as Buffy-life as we all hoped.
2 Reply by g371 2021-02-04 15:38:07 (edited by g371 2021-02-04 15:38:17)
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Googled that drama, nobody says racism, instead they say "treated shitty" - and that could mean anything from asking that guy to pick a cotton to bringing him water that is too warm for his liking
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There is alot about it around... https://www.thecut.com/2020/07/joss-whe … guide.html https://screenrant.com/joss-whedon-abus … explained/ Still, he did Buffy, Angel and Firefly so he'll always be a God in my eyes.
2020. Meh.
4 Reply by g371 2021-02-04 18:35:32 (edited by g371 2021-02-04 18:53:44)
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Yep, saw that, tho definition of "gross, abusive, unprofessional, and completely unacceptable" is very subjective, that black drama queen don't quote or describe in detail anything, instead posts in Twitter "A > E". So, all I see here is one more Twitter user who alleges something, without any proof, just speculations and subjective interpretations and everybody must trust his judgement How about no? Also was laughing about "Wonder Woman script was sexist" - really? In American culture has been a single "superhero" character who is not in one way or another "sexist" by todays screeching feminists standards? And this was great read: At the investigation's end, Fisher said he wouldn't appear in any DC film while its president, Walter Hamada, was in charge, and promised there would be "more soon."
Studio: Ok, bye Fisher: Surprised Pikachu
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Meh, can't be bothered to care about those silly accusations, sounds like some exaggerated workplace drama you could find in every corp around the world. Who doesn't have a douchebag coworker or boss? I've seen my fair share of drama at the workplace and it's most certainly not always the bosses fault. I'm kinda surprised they say he uses his feminist stance as a cover, when he is clearly able to write very diverse (not necessarily by race, but in personalities) and interesting females in his shows/movies which to me is more empowering than any "strong mary sue" that hollywood is spewing out at the moment.
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Yeah, the accusations sure seem to be small compared to other folks in Hollywood. If he really did something bad there should be consequences of course, but I agree with Moze, a lot of what I read (skimmed through) sounds like workplace drama.
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Ok, since we have a dedicated spam topic, just found this in context of another allegations to Ces Anvar (The Expanse): https://www.reddit.com/r/TheExpanse/com … r/fwetou5/ This is a great example of bs level I'm talking about, since when Twitter/Reddit became a judge and jury? And some DestinyPigion a court clerk? If you have proof, police has process how to deal with that. Plus, imo, to believe this blindly is not even close to smart, every slightly popular public figure attracts all kinds of crazies, seekers of 15 min fame etc. etc. etc.
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Moze wrote:Meh, can't be bothered to care about those silly accusations, sounds like some exaggerated workplace drama you could find in every corp around the world. Who doesn't have a douchebag coworker or boss? I've seen my fair share of drama at the workplace and it's most certainly not always the bosses fault. I'm kinda surprised they say he uses his feminist stance as a cover, when he is clearly able to write very diverse (not necessarily by race, but in personalities) and interesting females in his shows/movies which to me is more empowering than any "strong mary sue" that hollywood is spewing out at the moment.
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Moze wrote:I'm kinda surprised they say he uses his feminist stance as a cover
I think his ex-wife came out after he was caught having had numerous affairs while they were still married and did a tell-all that cast him in a really bad light and basically said all his feminist "ally" stuff was pure self marketing BS...then again, this is a jilted ex-wife so you probably wouldn't expect her to say nice things.... Dont get me wrong, I love his work...I guess you just have to decide for yourself if you can seperate the art from the artist. He isn't my ex husband, he has never done anything wrong to me and all of these accusations are hearsay so I'll probably keep enjoying his work.
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proteinnerd wrote:Moze wrote:I'm kinda surprised they say he uses his feminist stance as a cover
I think his ex-wife came out after he was caught having had numerous affairs while they were still married and did a tell-all that cast him in a really bad light and basically said all his feminist "ally" stuff was pure self marketing BS...then again, this is a jilted ex-wife so you probably wouldn't expect her to say nice things.... Dont get me wrong, I love his work...I guess you just have to decide for yourself if you can seperate the art from the artist. He isn't my ex husband, he has never done anything wrong to me and all of these accusations are hearsay so I'll probably keep enjoying his work.
It's an interesting point with the art/artist thing. I like Michael Jackson's music, but would I listen to his stuff now? Possibly, but I'd feel a bit... wrong.
2020. Meh.
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graybags wrote:It's an interesting point with the art/artist thing. I like Michael Jackson's music, but would I listen to his stuff now? Possibly, but I'd feel a bit... wrong.
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12 Reply by g371 2021-02-05 10:37:46 (edited by g371 2021-02-05 10:39:18)
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In Jackson case there were trials and settlements - plus even with that I still think that involved parties in any case are braindead themselves. And probably, with a very few exceptions, all of these are similar - one side is famous, another side wants to ride on that fame, something does not work out how they hoped or turns out assholes exist. If we would prosecute every "not a nice guy/girl/apache helicopter", there would be a few nuns left without "crimes"
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I think that one shouldn't judge a show base on one person. Whedon might have written and directed stuff but the acting was done by others. Set design was done by others. Jackson, as a musician, was so talented that he couldn't sing out of tune if he tried. He practiced so long that it was impossible to mess up. Bill Cosby was a horrible person but it doesn't take away that The Cosby Show had a huge cultural impact and this can't be taken away. Also, it is still a funny show. This cancel culture is what is wrong today. It's like you have to live like Doug Forcett or someone will find something about your past and make you pay for what you might have said 10 years ago when that might have been more accepted.
...where did I put that rat's ass I could give?
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Daemonius wrote:Bill Cosby was a horrible person but it doesn't take away that The Cosby Show had a huge cultural impact and this can't be taken away. Also, it is still a funny show. This cancel culture is what is wrong today. It's like you have to live like Doug Forcett or someone will find something about your past and make you pay for what you might have said 10 years ago when that might have been more accepted.
Again, it's a question of can you separate the art from the artist. I can, but only to a certain degree. It's one thing if you said something stupid many years ago, but completely different compared to Bill Cosby: More than 60 women have accused him of either attempted sexual assault, rape, drug-facilitated sexual assault, sexual battery, child sexual abuse, or sexual misconduct - and knowing that, I doubt I could have fun watching something with him today.
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lighton wrote:Daemonius wrote:Bill Cosby was a horrible person but it doesn't take away that The Cosby Show had a huge cultural impact and this can't be taken away. Also, it is still a funny show. This cancel culture is what is wrong today. It's like you have to live like Doug Forcett or someone will find something about your past and make you pay for what you might have said 10 years ago when that might have been more accepted.
Again, it's a question of can you separate the art from the artist. I can, but only to a certain degree. It's one thing if you said something stupid many years ago, but completely different compared to Bill Cosby: More than 60 women have accused him of either attempted sexual assault, rape, drug-facilitated sexual assault, sexual battery, child sexual abuse, or sexual misconduct - and knowing that, I doubt I could have fun watching something with him today.
You just have to separate the art from artist... What he did is in no way acceptable but it still doesn't take away the teachings that Cliff had for Theo. There is still value in them.
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