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76 Reply by jim1961 2025-11-03 06:48:26 (edited by jim1961 2025-11-03 07:10:26)

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paisley1 wrote:Like I said before, the story isn't interesting enough to be a serial but works perfect as a procedural, all they have to do to entertain the audience is this simple outline: 1. Geralt gets a contract. 2. Geralt tracks a monster. 3. Geralt plans how to kill a monster. (The bulk of the story) 4. Geralt kills a monster. 5. Geralt gets paid and acquires new equipment, and develops new abilites to use on another monster in the next episode. 6. Geralt hooks up with sorceresses. 7. Repeat for 10 seasons. 8. Make back your $221 million. The outline above will make money. What they have done, will not.
Maybe some folks would watch that for 10 seasons. Maybe it would even make money. Not Witcher specifically, but any show that ran the same formula for 10 seasons would not be a show I would watch beyond one season. Maybe I feel this way because generally speaking, I much prefer serials over procedurals. Maybe a good poll question? ▼Spoiler Serials are television shows with ongoing storylines that develop over multiple episodes, focusing on character growth and complex plots. Procedurals, on the other hand, feature self-contained episodes where a problem is introduced and resolved within the same installment, often following a predictable structure.

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paisley1 wrote:1. Geralt gets a contract. 2. Geralt tracks a monster. 3. Geralt plans how to kill a monster. (The bulk of the story) 4. Geralt kills a monster. 5. Geralt gets paid and acquires new equipment, and develops new abilites to use on another monster in the next episode. 6. Geralt hooks up with sorceresses. 7. Repeat for 10 seasons. 8. Make back your $221 million.
I would watch the hell out of this. What Netflix is actually streaming, I will not watch.
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paisley1 wrote:1. Geralt gets a contract. 2. Geralt tracks a monster. 3. Geralt plans how to kill a monster. (The bulk of the story) 4. Geralt kills a monster. 5. Geralt gets paid and acquires new equipment, and develops new abilites to use on another monster in the next episode. 6. Geralt hooks up with sorceresses. 7. Repeat for 10 seasons. 8. Make back your $221 million.
To a small degree, this is what we got with Geralt in Season 1 which was based of the short stories.
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proteinnerd wrote:paisley1 wrote:1. Geralt gets a contract. 2. Geralt tracks a monster. 3. Geralt plans how to kill a monster. (The bulk of the story) 4. Geralt kills a monster. 5. Geralt gets paid and acquires new equipment, and develops new abilites to use on another monster in the next episode. 6. Geralt hooks up with sorceresses. 7. Repeat for 10 seasons. 8. Make back your $221 million.
I would watch the hell out of this.
So would I. And... If you look at the history of robust TV shows that stand the test of time, so do most people. Original Star Trek that spawned decades of IP - Was episodic (procedural), with some serial elements. But mostly you can watch them in any order and they are self-contained. The X-Files was basically 'the mystery being of the week' for 11 seasons - again with a B-thread woven through it but mostly episodic/procedural. And we could go on and on with shows like that that just work.
But the other part of that formula isn't just about procedural v. serial; its about episode count. The *landscape* of the show so to speak. You can run that proven formula of procedural with a serial B-thread when you have 22 episodes a year. You can't do it when you have 10 as we have in streaming platforms. When you have only 10 episodes you can't afford even 1 bad episode because that means 10% of the season is bad. Audience won't accept a 'budget saving' episode in order to have a flashy finale. And you can't run a B and C thread woven through the story when you only have 10 episodes. 10 episodes works for things like "Countdown"... where you have almost zero world building required. Show premise: Task force assembles to take down terrorist. Ok, done. Audience knows all they need to know because we know what agents and cops and task forces and terrorists and current day LA is. Virtually no time required to set up this 10 episode show. And they limited the scope to the primary story. Cool. That works for 10 episodes. But 10 episodes doesn't work when you actually need to WORLD BUILD. The Witcher has too much building required for short seasons. Sci-fi or fantasy in general are a problem in 10 episodes. Current Star Trek is kinda-sorta getting away with short seasons because the world building was done over decades and people are walking in to nuTrek well aware of the landscape. You don't have to explain what a starship is, or what Starfleet is, or what a Klingon is. But even in Trek its starting to wear off with people getting fatiqued by the new format of the shows. 24 episode seasons of TNG and DS9 work. 10 episodes of Strange New Worlds does not. And personally, I think we're seeing the same here. Another fantasy show requiring world building but not having the air time to do it. So the producers are trying to shoe horn in the parts they think can't be skipped and leaving everything they can on the editing room floor. In this specific case, its not helping that the costumes don't live up to good cosplayer quality, and the special effects are of a quality that lots of YouTubers can do it home these days. (Like those guys that do videos of "We rebuilt Tron in a weekend" and "We rebuilt the Deathstar trench flight in a day" kind of content.)

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SgtSaint wrote:But 10 episodes doesn't work when you actually need to WORLD BUILD. The Witcher has too much building required for short seasons.
Hmm, IIRC, they did a fine job with that in season 1 (with only 8 episodes). Yes, it's hard, but it can be done, https://next-episode.net/raised-by-wolves is another good example IMHO (with 10 episodes).

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Three episodes in so far. I've gotten used to Hemsworth - yes, he is clearly not as good as Cavill but I'd rather watch this than no Witcher show at all. In addition, this Season is probably better than Season 3 (again, apart from Cavill). The story is a lot closer to the books than Season 3 was and everything about the characters development is mostly accurate. There are also certain things you only know from the games which are also some nice easter eggs. I agree that world building is one of the biggest flaws of the show. Characters aren't properly introduced. Locations aren't discernable from each other or couldn't be pointed out on a map. But again, that was always a problem with the Witcher. ▼Spoiler Just think of the girls on the Wagon, for the first two episodes they didn't have any dialogue..you didn't even know their names...
Lighton wrote:Hmm, IIRC, they did a fine job with that in season 1 (with only 8 episodes).
I think it wasn't as notable in Season 1 since it wasn't a continuous story yet. Other than that what is really annoying in this season is the directing and editing. It's like they had a cut-off point for every scene "every 5 minutes we have to switch between characters"...starting to get on my nerves. Just let a situation establish itself and give it more time to develop.
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WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:Three episodes in so far...
I haven't watched the season yet, so your post was really helpful to me. Thank you for review! 

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4x6 What a great episode! Best of the season so far. 
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lighton wrote:SgtSaint wrote:But 10 episodes doesn't work when you actually need to WORLD BUILD. The Witcher has too much building required for short seasons.
Hmm, IIRC, they did a fine job with that in season 1 (with only 8 episodes). Yes, it's hard, but it can be done, https://next-episode.net/raised-by-wolves is another good example IMHO (with 10 episodes).
Absolutely. It can be done, but its hard like you said. Requires some real effort and talent. Writing is like sculpting, not everyone with the same job title has the same talent. WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:I've gotten used to Hemsworth
Agreed. Listening to the YouTubers I was expecting far worse. I think he really did put in an effort to respect the character and his predecessor while still giving his own performance. I look at it this way: If he was the first Geralt would I bit pissy over his performance? No. I will agree with someone one YouTuber said though:
The costume department needed more. Half these people look like first attempt cosplayers.
I've seen far better Gerralt at conventions than Hemsworth in a motorcycle jacket. So much of the look of this production is generic a.f. - looks like every other fantasy or medieval show. Gerralt's armor is the one bit of unique flair and they took that away. I will say that while I don't care about anyone's sexuality the level of LGBTQ+ checkboxes getting ticked in this is starting to get on my nerves. Not because I don't want gay character: I don't care. But because it seems so bloody forced. And maybe more than a little disproportionate. s04e05 Kinda disappointed - mostly because it goes back to what I was saying about having budget saving episodes when you only have 10 episodes to start with. It was just a slow slog of listening through everyone's campfire stories. I know I fell asleep in the middle for somewhere between 3 and 25 minutes and when I woke up realized that I didn't feel the least bit lost. That's how little any of that seemed to add/affect the story. Just finished s04e06 Here's the episode they spent that saved budget on. Enjoyed it and all the battles and magic but...
▼Spoiler All of a sudden Yennafer is apparently every bit as strong as the biggest badest badguy that entire covens combined couldn't previously vanquish? When did that happen? A bunch of students held a shield against repeated attacks to the point the enemy was dieing. So when the kids started to weaken, why didn't the strong established adults take over the shield? Seems like they could have held that for 5x as long letting the enemy coven further die and weaken, and buy time for their spy on the inside to do more. They knew they were going to be attacked: And didn't really seam to do any prep. No traps. No weapons at tactical points. Seems like if one-eye can leave a lingering spell o a guy triggered by the utterance of his name, then this coven should be able to do similar with traps etc. At the very least the senior witchers that joined them would have set traps and weapon caches. They can use magic to do all these amazing things and lift tons of rock etc., but couldn't use magic to turn the water wheel? And 10 more points where something was done at one time, but not done another time when it would have been helpful. Its that lack of consistency that kept screaming out at me
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s04e07 I haven't read the books and they did a shit job of explaining this in the episode. Can someone explain this to me? ▼Spoiler They've just exited the swamp and Yennafer shows up through a portal as natural as crossing the street on her way to get a coffee. Geralt is happy to see her but not "oh my fuqing gods I've been hunting for you for so long". More like, "You were late for dinner and I was starting to worry". What? It was that easy for her to find him all this time? Huh? Oh... And now there's suddenly a tent. And apparently the tent is a T.A.R.D.I.S because its 10x bigger on the inside than the outside; complete with furniture, a bath tub, candles... I mean really... Whisky Tango Foxtrot?! These writers have done a shyte job of explaining anything to the audience or even following their own continuity. For months on end its this massive mission to find each other... then its like meeting at the motel for a night when nobody is looking... Huh? And just when I was willing to call it a psychic shared experience even though they didn't show it in a dreamlike state... Its the next morning, at the campfire and everyone else sees her too. So they all saw her, and presumably the TARDIS-Tent, while they were sleeping in the dirt, and everyone is enjoying a morning cuppa and a chat like it was Monday morning before heading off to school. What the f....

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Season 4, Episode 04...my least favorite so far- it was just "OK". I didn't know Kim Bodnia was replaced as Vesemir as well...Peter Mullan looks more like Santa Clause then a hardened, experienced, Witcher... ▼Spoiler Triss said "They protected Kaer Morhen for thousands of years?" What? The School of the Wolf was ony there for ~200years and also the Conjunction of Spheres was "only" 1500 years ago....completely wrong there. Dijkstra's torture...compared to other shows I think this was the weakest form of torture I have ever seen and I can't believe Geralt cried out when stabbed with a Quill?? Toughen up dude (talking to a Witcher here). I don't mind the Witches learning how to fight, if you are desperate you need every advantage. Especially that exchange of swords with Yennefer and Francesca was cool  Jaskier getting injured was a big moment for me in the books. Here it basically happened in the background...didn't like that.
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87 Reply by jim1961 2025-11-08 05:14:10 (edited by jim1961 2025-11-08 05:20:16)

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TheFizza wrote:Just finished it and I think it was Better Than Season One!
Yea, I like S2 better than S1 also. All those flashbacks, flash-forwards were really confusing and messed with the continuity of the story. S2 had fewer Bard scenes, yeah! I am just now getting around to watching this series in its entirety. Nearing the end of S2 as I write this. Almost afraid to watch seasons 3&4 based on the ratings plummeting for those seasons.

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Season 4, Episode 5... Seen individually it's a great episode - as part of the season, well... ...in a 22 episode season, Episode 4 would be somethine like a mid-season final and Episode 5 the start of the second half... Great way to do some character- and world-building. This however is an 8 episode season...there isn't (shouldn't be) any room for a filler episode (as much as I appreciate it).
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89 Reply by bvereshagen 2025-11-09 17:21:27 (edited by bvereshagen 2025-11-09 17:24:12)
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Just saw the last episode of season 4. The brine barrel was a lovely touch to the happiest scene of the last several seasons. I'm going to call this a teaser instead of a spoiler.

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All caught up now. About the only thing for me to like in S4 were Yennefer's scenes. What they have done with Ciri is a travesty. As for Geralt, he does little beyond fighting monsters. But there is hope moving forward. Ciri has to eventually embrace who she is.
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Leo Bonhart is by far the best character in the entire series, possibly including Cavil's original Geralt. A multifaceted character who is more than just his martial skills. I think I like his pickle recipe even more than his jewelry collection.

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Season 4, Episodes 06 & 07... Episode 06 was probably the most action packed episode so far in the Season which is very much appreciated. ▼Spoiler But that fight between Vilgefortz and Vesemir was unacceptable. Someone who has probably fought hundreds of monsters and maybe even some mages shouldn't go down like that. That wasn't enough of a surprise attack to bring down an old master... that should've been handled better.
Episode 07 was another low point of the season...added almost nothing to the story or the characters. SgtSaint wrote:s04e07 I haven't read the books and they did a shit job of explaining this in the episode. Can someone explain this to me? ▼Spoiler They've just exited the swamp and Yennafer shows up through a portal as natural as crossing the street on her way to get a coffee. Geralt is happy to see her but not "oh my fuqing gods I've been hunting for you for so long". More like, "You were late for dinner and I was starting to worry". What? It was that easy for her to find him all this time? Huh? Oh... And now there's suddenly a tent. And apparently the tent is a T.A.R.D.I.S because its 10x bigger on the inside than the outside; complete with furniture, a bath tub, candles... I mean really... Whisky Tango Foxtrot?! These writers have done a shyte job of explaining anything to the audience or even following their own continuity. For months on end its this massive mission to find each other... then its like meeting at the motel for a night when nobody is looking... Huh? And just when I was willing to call it a psychic shared experience even though they didn't show it in a dreamlike state... Its the next morning, at the campfire and everyone else sees her too. So they all saw her, and presumably the TARDIS-Tent, while they were sleeping in the dirt, and everyone is enjoying a morning cuppa and a chat like it was Monday morning before heading off to school. What the f....
It's been a while since I read them but none of this is part of the books to my knowledge.
▼Spoiler This was probably the worst scene of the entire Season. The tent is probably the same "magic tent" from Season 1, when they were on the dragon hunting quest, so that at least I can accept. How did Yennefer find Geralt? No idea. Why can't she use the same method to find Ciri? No idea. Geralt and his band just survived the swamp and Yennefer went through a draining and extensive battle..surely the best time for some f***ing...what the heck? Don't get me wrong, I don't mind a good sex scene but holy hell...timing?? It is possible to show affection between two people without boinking... And also...how about instead of using the tent for just the two of them, invite the others in as well? They've been on the road, in mud and swamp water - surely a good night sleep in a decent bed would help them all - especially maybe the pregnant lady? Geralt didn't even flinch when she told him about Vesemir... Yennefer didn't even flinch when she saw Cahir in Geralts company - or more like we didn't get to see her meet his merry band, no quick witted remarks form Jaskier...nothing.
jim1961 wrote:All caught up now. About the only thing for me to like in S4 were Yennefer's scenes. What they have done with Ciri is a travesty. As for Geralt, he does little beyond fighting monsters. But there is hope moving forward. Ciri has to eventually embrace who she is.
You pretty much summed up the issues most people have with the show  It's called The Witcher and not The Sorceress which the writers seem to have (willfully) forgotten. Well one more episode to go for me, let's hope for a good ending.
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WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:It's called The Witcher and not The Sorceress which the writers seem to have (willfully) forgotten.
The magic and sorcery is more entertaining than the swordsmanship and killing monsters for me. Yennefer's more prominent role in S4 was really the only thing that got me through the season. So, the writers amnesia worked in my favor 

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Finished season 4. Not the best season, but I still enjoyed it.  ▼Spoiler Not a fan of ending with a Ciri cliffhanger though. Now waiting for the final season to arrive...
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as someone who read the books, it is not going to get better. i like the witcher overall, but it all goes to hell in the end of the series. ( much like how stephen kings the gunsinger series all went to hell in the end ) ( at least the witcher is not even close to as bad as stephen king) i always attributed that to the translation i read, but i think it has a lot more to do with culture and expectations, as i get older and revisit things. from my recall the series is keeping quite faithful to the books overall ( other then the parts that are just a mess ) people have to remember #1 the witcher is a mutated person, think magical version of robocop. supposed to be a magical unfeeling monster killing machine. NOT anyone's love interest, or romantic partner. #2 Yennefer is deeply flawed and damaged #3 the world building is fantastic in so many ways, but also flawed and not filled out in so many more ways. #4 the entire story is not what you think it is. #5 there is a lot of things ( ive been told) that do not translate well from the original, or from the french translations. so we have to live with a story told in one culture translated to another and translated yet again ( and influenced by a lot of fan translations). which leaves issues everywhere. i am not going to say anything about the spin off movie "the rats" they are not characters i had any interest in, any way. i always thought of them as a overall unpleasant learning experience for ciri
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paisley1 wrote:Like I said before, the story isn't interesting enough to be a serial but works perfect as a procedural, all they have to do to entertain the audience is this simple outline: 1. Geralt gets a contract. 2. Geralt tracks a monster. 3. Geralt plans how to kill a monster. (The bulk of the story) 4. Geralt kills a monster. 5. Geralt gets paid and acquires new equipment, and develops new abilites to use on another monster in the next episode. 6. Geralt hooks up with sorceresses. 7. Repeat for 10 seasons. 8. Make back your $221 million. The outline above will make money. What they have done, will not.
IF they had a progressive overall story line ( like babylon 5) then if they did the witcher this way it would work great. HOWEVER It would NOT BE THE WITCHER. it would be Conan the Barbarian with magic. ( which i would watch the hell out of if written well ( the original stories)) BUT most people want the original story exactly how it was written in the books. ( which rarely works, as books have a small well read audience and VIDEO has a large drunk/stoned audience) guess which one spends the most money and has the attention span of a squirrel ?
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I fixed it. @piraterepublic: please be more careful when you are not using the quote button. 

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Finished with Season 4. Overall I think it was still better than Season 3, but that only puts it at around a 6/10. The final episode was OK. The important scenes felt not very strong emotionally (the content yes, but not the delivery). ▼Spoiler I don't remember Aretuza being rebuilt by The Lodge in the books. Also in the show they made it look like Yennefer isn't particularly fond of Aretuza..weird for her to suggest they rebuild it. When Bonhart slaughtered The Rats it felt more like "oh, that is happening" instead of "omfg what the F is happening" - the built-up was all wrong. The way they strolled into town as if they haven't faced him before...meh, just meh. Bonhart himself is shallow compared to the book version. I really don't like it when they have to purposely make soldierslike characters (mass characters) very dumb/weak just to make the stars shine. When Geralt and his companions reached the top of the bridge the soldiers were already fleeing? What? Do they not have a commander on that bridge? And then the same soldiers are portrayed as very loyal and trusting in their queen. So why would they run away? meh.
The acting was fine in general. The story was mostly by the book(s). The costume department either don't know what they are doing or weren't given a proper budget. The directing was horrible. Unfortunately Season 4 + 5 were filmed back-to-back so I guess we won't see any improvement with these things in the next / final season. The only upside will be that Season 5 will probably arrive next year.
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piraterepublic wrote:as someone who read the books, it is not going to get better. i like the witcher overall, but it all goes to hell in the end of the series.
Doesnt sound promising for S5 
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