As for 4k, I would love to have a 4k tv. The best I have done is 1080p. As my eyesight goes with age, I do not think that I could even tell the difference between 1080 and 4k. I have watched some very high quality 480p. I prefer a smaller file size with decent quality than a 32GB high rez copy.

I'm 60 so I'm there with you on the eyesight.  But I use the 4k high-quality for grabbing stills and zooming in on details.  What's the actual layout of the MPK pins and badges in FAMK?  What does it say on the dogtags of Halo and how are they formatted? What is the detail on the greeblie on that space suit helmet? 

So less about watching it in real time on a big 4k tv and more about being able to dissect a show for details.  It tends to only happen in the sci-fi shows because those have differences.  Modern shows are modern clothes and props. Sci-fi is the detail on the tricorders etc.

graybags wrote:

I think most people watch TV to be entertained.  They don't want to pull every single detail apart and find things that annoy them.

It's just TV, let it go.

Very true indeed. However sometimes you are pulled out of the immersive universe and it kind of ruins the flow. It could be simply something as mild as laws against physics, accent of characters etc.

I like nothing more than watching something so intense, that when the end hits, you are left feeling emotionally drained, yet excited having watched a masterpiece.

Only a few Movies and Series have managed to pull this off for me. The Expanse, Mobland are a few.

As for 4k, I would love to have a 4k tv. The best I have done is 1080p. As my eyesight goes with age, I do not think that I could even tell the difference between 1080 and 4k. I have watched some very high quality 480p. I prefer a smaller file size with decent quality than a 32GB high rez copy.

i agree with most of this. i used to keep things in high def, (40tb)but then i realized in 10 years you just will not care about high def anymore and its the story and acting that matters. not the sfx and not the set design. nothing made today will look good in 10 years, that is just a fact of technology.
good stories last forever.
if you can stand some of the utter stupidity of the expanse, then im surprised any accent can ruin it for you
(yes the expanse was a great show, and a pretty good story, but only on details and not the big picture)

very little in media ages well, and the things that do are usually simple ones

everyone is different..
i still like boris and natasha accent as much as bullwinkles.
mmmmmm natasha.....

I think most people watch TV to be entertained.  They don't want to pull every single detail apart and find things that annoy them.

It's just TV, let it go.

Very true indeed. However sometimes you are pulled out of the immersive universe and it kind of ruins the flow. It could be simply something as mild as laws against physics, accent of characters etc.

I like nothing more than watching something so intense, that when the end hits, you are left feeling emotionally drained, yet excited having watched a masterpiece.

Only a few Movies and Series have managed to pull this off for me. The Expanse, Mobland are a few.

As for 4k, I would love to have a 4k tv. The best I have done is 1080p. As my eyesight goes with age, I do not think that I could even tell the difference between 1080 and 4k. I have watched some very high quality 480p. I prefer a smaller file size with decent quality than a 32GB high rez copy.

I haven't started it yet - Soon.

Question for those that have - Is it worth having these early seasons in 4k?  I keep shows like The Expanse, Halo, Fallout even FAMK etc. in 4k as well as 1080p on home server because they're shows with high detail, costumes and props I might like to reproduce for cosplay: So high res I can zoom in on matters.

Is there any of that kinda need in Star City?  This first season is all past time, common things etc., right?
{just looking at hard drive space and trying to judge if its worth an addition 10gig per episode}

I'd say the only thing really cosplay-worthy would probably be the space suits. Other than that you have the russian military uniforms....not sure if you wanna cosplay that right now

Everything else is just regular clothes of that time period.

I think most people watch TV to be entertained.  They don't want to pull every single detail apart and find things that annoy them.

It's just TV, let it go.

You simply cannot relate - what I'm talking about is approx like this, you watch Star Wars and Darth Vader starts talking like a pokemon. It's that hilarious in most cases when Americans try to show some scary Russian military base or alike. As they start talking, "immersion" catapults out of the window

Question for those that have - Is it worth having these early seasons in 4k?  I keep shows like The Expanse, Halo, Fallout even FAMK etc. in 4k as well as 1080p on home server because they're shows with high detail, costumes and props I might like to reproduce for cosplay: So high res I can zoom in on matters.

Is there any of that kinda need in Star City?  This first season is all past time, common things etc., right?
{just looking at hard drive space and trying to judge if its worth an addition 10gig per episode}

It's just TV, let it go.

i am not saying you are wrong.
i am saying it serves a purpose.
even if it sounds horrible.
i would rather have bad accents, then no accents at all.
because then what would the option be. russians with british accents?
that just sounds like no one cares at all.

In some Chinese/Japanese themed shows/movies they butcher language like that? Nope, either speak in original or passes English no prob. They do this just with Russian, because of the stereotype they themselves developed - if somebody is Russian, he/she must sound like hit head against a wall I'm all up for pissing off Russians, but this is just ridiculous And a half of the problem - the other half is that is makes it unwatchable, lost count how many otherwise good movies/shows are messed up with cringe Russian lang.

piraterepublic wrote:

people kill each other because of language barriers far more often then any other.

Naah, number 1 is religion or excused with a religion.

But with Russian accents it is approx. like this - imagine that every single American would be made to sound like some hillbilly (including some presidents and other officials). That would be hilarious and Americans for sure would be crying about that Not that I care much, I just know that because I can speak both of these languages. The only case when Russian language is not butchered in Western shows/movies is when an actor can speak it fluently. If just tries to learn some lines or fake an accent, it in 100% cases is a disaster. Because that language is completely different. They not even get those lines/accent wrong, but also have no clue what syllables to stress. The result: word salad.

i am not saying you are wrong.
i am saying it serves a purpose.
even if it sounds horrible.
i would rather have bad accents, then no accents at all.
because then what would the option be. russians with british accents?
that just sounds like no one cares at all.

people kill each other because of language barriers far more often then any other.

Naah, number 1 is religion or excused with a religion.

But with Russian accents it is approx. like this - imagine that every single American would be made to sound like some hillbilly (including some presidents and other officials). That would be hilarious and Americans for sure would be crying about that Not that I care much, I just know that because I can speak both of these languages. The only case when Russian language is not butchered in Western shows/movies is when an actor can speak it fluently. If just tries to learn some lines or fake an accent, it in 100% cases is a disaster. Because that language is completely different. They not even get those lines/accent wrong, but also have no clue what syllables to stress. The result: word salad.

accents are used to separate people because clothes,color, etc does not get the job done.

people kill each other because of language barriers far more often then any other.

i am ok with a lot of subtitles, very few are however. so the only thing left is bad accents.
the nice thing is, its about the only thing left people can be derogatory about and get away with it

ARE YOU MAK8NG FUN OF MY ACCENT????????

( bad accents are ok as lot as they are not so bad you need subtitles anyways)

I only mentioned the russian accent because, considering it is a "northern american tv show", imho this would've probably been the more likely alternative instead of how they are speaking now.
I wasn't too hung up on that solution which is why I said "at minimum" and didn't want to go into any more detail with this option.

My preferred choice, as I also mentioned, was to have them speak genuine russian. Would it have been more difficult and challenging to do this right, of course...but that would've been a solvable challenge, no?

My only goal here was for the show to stay within it's established "fictional universe". After all, it is not a standalone story but a spin-off from For All Mankind. We heard Russians speak in this universe before (with both accent and in actual russian) and how they sounded there is different from how they sound in this show. That's all.

All fair. That does sort of make it one of the "stylistic choices" I mentioned before, and an odd one. Using the subtitle method always reduces casual watchability, so just having them talk like everyone else would probably have been best. Still, it's a problem with English in particular, and one with some rather interesting notions around it. And fake (actual) accents usually make a tough watch for those who do speak the language.

Alright, random rant ahead: Complaints about inauthentic "accents" are such a weirdly specific thing, and one I have only ever really heard from northern americans (does that apply to you?). The word "dialect" is never even mentioned.

Most languages have a bunch of different dialects that can only sort of understand each other, so many countries develop an "official" dialect that is meant to be understandable and speakable by all; the "transatlantic" one was supposed to be that for English, for example. Most broadcasting in a language then usually happens in mostly that dialect, and any deviation from that is used as a stylistic choice, to make someone sound particularly folksy, or to make clear that a character is, in fact, a foreigner who had to learn the language later in life and thus has an accent.

I once saw a few minutes of a movie that was apparently in Russian originally, but dubbed in English. They saw fit to give literally every single character a thick (fake) russian accent because, apparently, the viewer needs to be constantly kept aware that these people are, in fact, Russians? Even though that kind of "accent" isn't even a dialect at all and just an inability to fully shift the pronounciation to a desired outcome; an actual accent. To me, that was utterly bizarre and incredibly distracting, gave up on trying to watch that.

...anyway, just had to get that out. Carry on.

No, I am not from northern america.

I only mentioned the russian accent because, considering it is a "northern american tv show", imho this would've probably been the more likely alternative instead of how they are speaking now.
I wasn't too hung up on that solution which is why I said "at minimum" and didn't want to go into any more detail with this option.

My preferred choice, as I also mentioned, was to have them speak genuine russian. Would it have been more difficult and challenging to do this right, of course...but that would've been a solvable challenge, no?

My only goal here was for the show to stay within it's established "fictional universe". After all, it is not a standalone story but a spin-off from For All Mankind. We heard Russians speak in this universe before (with both accent and in actual russian) and how they sounded there is different from how they sound in this show. That's all.