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			<description><![CDATA[<p><strong>Pluribus — Season 1 Bloopers | Apple TV</strong><br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfcppzds68Q" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfcppzds68Q</a></p><p>I never understand why not every show/movie does one of these <img src="https://forum.next-episode.net/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2026 06:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>This is a really odd show. In many ways, I like it. But in many other ways, I don&#039;t!</p><p>Even though it&#039;s completely different, it kinda reminds me of Colony (which I loved and was sorely dissapointed at its cancellation).</p><p>The underlying premise is great, I love it, however the distinct lack of content is a problem for me, although thats obviously by design as noted by other posters.</p><p>I&#039;ll watch the next season, as it&#039;s done just enough to intrigue me.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2026 21:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>some_one wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>That... sure is <em>a take</em>. You know how, if you really go looking for a pattern, you often start seeing it everywhere, even when it&#039;s not even there, because you are simply ignoring everything that doesn&#039;t fit?</p></blockquote></div><p>It&#039;s called a confirmation bias. But the take is understandable, if you watch, for example, also this Apple show: <a href="https://next-episode.net/down-cemetery-road" target="_blank">https://next-episode.net/down-cemetery-road</a> - that&#039;s how a polarization works.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2025 22:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>some_one wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>&quot;Sweet, but moves very slowly&quot;.</p></blockquote></div><p>It will get darker, give it some time <img src="https://forum.next-episode.net/img/smilies/big_smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="big_smile" /></p><p>But overall imo it&#039;s pointless to compare those shows. Silo is a classic recipe for success, Pluribus and alike is how the guy above said a closest thing to a book, half of the processing is client side - meaning, entertain yourself by using your imagination and knowledge to understand references etc.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2025 21:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Calling Silo &quot;syruppy&quot;...uff, we have some strong difference in opinion there - but that&#039;s entertainment for ya <img src="https://forum.next-episode.net/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p></blockquote></div><p>&quot;Sweet, but moves very slowly&quot;. Or maybe it&#039;s just something you shouldn&#039;t watch while already exhausted.</p><br /><div class="quotebox"><cite>WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Best example is the very first few scenes of the show. Why didn&#039;t we get more of those?</p></blockquote></div><p>One thing I don&#039;t particularly enjoy, and they do it at least <em>thrice</em> in two episodes of Silo, is the part at the start of such stories where the protagonists are still reluctant to even question the status quo, while we, as the viewer, can already clearly see it&#039;s fucked. That extended sequence at the start of Pluribus serves to skip right past that by utterly <em>shattering</em> the old status quo, before even showing us what kind of story it&#039;s going to be. I kinda liked that scene as well. But it&#039;s not that kinda show. Where other such stories tend to give us at least some kind of birds-eye view in order to fully ponder all the implications, here they take a different approach: They are trying to get us to ask ourselves &quot;what would I, a regular person, do in this situation?&quot;. While the other way to do it is more exciting, it is also the path most walked. It&#039;s nice to have something different for a change.</p><br /><div class="quotebox"><cite>WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Aesthetics is what most Sci-Fi shows - that don&#039;t play in our current world / society - need. Especially so with post-apocalyptic worlds. Otherwise you couldn&#039;t really immerse yourself in the fictional world.</p></blockquote></div><p>Exactly, and that&#039;s another thing making Pluribus somewhat unique: it <em>isn&#039;t</em> a post-apocalypse to immerse ourselves in. It&#039;s barely an apocalypse at all; more of an in-progress one. The closest comparable one I can think of would probably be <a href="https://next-episode.net/the-last-man-on-earth" target="_blank">The Last Man on Earth</a>, a comedy.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2025 20:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>some_one wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Fine if y&#039;all insist... just watched the first two episodes, so far. Syruppy show, that one. It&#039;s very conceptual as well, but character-<em>driven</em> much more so than Pluribus. Also puts a lot of emphasis on aesthetics, like Fallout, but keeps it in the background. The main difference between the three is that, in Silo, nobody actually <em>remembers</em> our world (I think), in Fallout some do, while in Pluribus it&#039;s the very point of it all. That simple aspect makes a <em>huge</em> difference on how much breathing room the story has. Pluribus deals, and wants to deal, with that above all else. The question &quot;should we go back or find a new way forward?&quot;. I think that&#039;s what you mean?</p></blockquote></div><p>Again, I just used the most recent examples with somewhat similar features. I did not mean that these shows are so similar that it won&#039;t make a difference which one you are gonna watch.<br />They are just examples of shows that managed to give me a lot more overall content out of one Season than this show did.</p><p>Calling Silo &quot;syruppy&quot;...uff, we have some strong difference in opinion there - but that&#039;s entertainment for ya <img src="https://forum.next-episode.net/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>Aesthetics is what most Sci-Fi shows - that don&#039;t play in our current world / society - need. Especially so with post-apocalyptic worlds. Otherwise you couldn&#039;t really immerse yourself in the fictional world. </p><p>Yes, Pluribus wants to deal with that point &quot;above all else&quot; as you mentioned. That&#039;s part of the problem for me since they didn&#039;t use that &quot;breathing room&quot; to show us more of the world: what is, what may be and what was lost. <br />Almost every bit of information we get from Carol or her conversations with Pirate Lady. Nothing is given to us without her knowing about it, if you know what I mean. The focus on &quot;character-driven&quot; was just a bit too much.</p><p>Best example is the very first few scenes of the show. Why didn&#039;t we get more of those?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2025 18:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The comparison was meant to show the amount of content other than character-development that can be packed into a first Season.<br />I choose these two shows because of the similar theme with the humanity-ending event where it is to explore what actually happened and who did what.</p><p>But yes, all three shows are unique in their own ways <img src="https://forum.next-episode.net/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>Also, as <strong>g371</strong> said, if you like Pluribus and Fallout you should definitely give Silo a try. Season 1 was mind-blowing, Season 2... can be (and was) argued about <img src="https://forum.next-episode.net/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p></blockquote></div><p>Fine if y&#039;all insist... just watched the first two episodes, so far. Syruppy show, that one. It&#039;s very conceptual as well, but character-<em>driven</em> much more so than Pluribus. Also puts a lot of emphasis on aesthetics, like Fallout, but keeps it in the background. The main difference between the three is that, in Silo, nobody actually <em>remembers</em> our world (I think), in Fallout some do, while in Pluribus it&#039;s the very point of it all. That simple aspect makes a <em>huge</em> difference on how much breathing room the story has. Pluribus deals, and wants to deal, with that above all else. The question &quot;should we go back or find a new way forward?&quot;. I think that&#039;s what you mean?</p><br /><div class="quotebox"><cite>proteinnerd wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I&#039;m surprised Apple actually green-lit such a clearly mysoginistic themed series. </p><p>Carol is the absolute epitome of feminism (according to its detractors) over emotionally and completely lacks the ability to take accountability for her actions.</p><p>She is completely irrational and driven entirely by emotions, incapable of her own agency even when she believes the world is ending. She hates &quot;the others&quot; but cannot live without their assistance, she relies entirely on them for EVERYTHING, food, power, protection, entertainment and even companionship and sexual gratification knowing full well they are actively trying to forcibly take her independence and convert her.</p><p>Her repeated actions directly result in the others leaving her as she is so dangerous to them. She cannot stand to live alone and after a short time, her narcissistic selfishness and inability to survive on her own, she begs them to come back. Then spends the next weeks relying on them to provide obscene levels of decadence and pampering. When she finally realises she has been outsmarted, again her unchecked emotions drive her to obtain &quot;the crate and whats inside.&quot; no doubt another unregulated and illogical emotional knee jerk reaction.</p><p>Manunos on the other hand is the very embodiment of masculine independence. He takes ZERO assistance from the others in a torturous trek across the americas, pays for everything he uses, refuses travel assistance and almost gets killed. He determines he needs to learn English to communicate so learns it, thinks he needs to understand sonics and sound engineering so starts to teach himself. He refuses any luxuries or pampering, determined to do everything by himself.</p></blockquote></div><p>That... sure is <em>a take</em>. You know how, if you really go looking for a pattern, you often start seeing it everywhere, even when it&#039;s not even there, because you are simply ignoring everything that doesn&#039;t fit? Could that be part of what&#039;s happening here?</p><p>She&#039;s very emotional at first because the literally only person in the world she actually ever cared about at all just died, and the people/entity responsible won&#039;t leave her alone, or even grieve. But she&#039;s ultimately realistic: humans <em>can not</em> survive for long completely on their own, so if she&#039;s reliant on them anyway, might as well do it in a way that doesn&#039;t force her to change what&#039;s left of her familiar life and expend energy that way. After <em>they</em> decide to leave, she eventually asks them to come back, but only after deciding that it&#039;s either that or suicide at that point (the rocket aimed at her face), because nothing she still has actually matters to her, and she can&#039;t change anything without getting close to them anyhow (that&#039;s the very point of them leaving). She&#039;s also realistic enough to realize that just yanking out their plug, so to speak, would still kill billions more in the best case, and it would be on her that time. </p><p>The difference with Manousos is stubbornness. He liked the way things were and wants to change them back, and doesn&#039;t let practicality get in the way of anything. Ultimately, he doesn&#039;t accomplish or prove anything to anyone by doing things his way. In fact, he proves the opposite: he would be dead in the middle of the jungle if he hadn&#039;t been helped against his will, which was always the most likely outcome. Hell, he&#039;s already literally starving before he even decides to leave his house. It also catches him completely off guard that Carol sees some things differently than he does. Almost everything he does in that season is a cautionary tale.</p><br /><div class="quotebox"><cite>proteinnerd wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The contrast between the two could not be more apparent,&nbsp; I just applaud Apple for refusing the current &quot;girlboss&quot; archetype and portraying masculinity and femininity unbiased by the current politically correct agenda. <img src="https://forum.next-episode.net/img/smilies/lol.png" width="15" height="15" alt="lol" /></p></blockquote></div><p>Ah come on. We have <a href="https://forum.next-episode.net/viewtopic.php?id=12919" target="_blank">a thread</a> about that now. Please take it there.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2025 17:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>proteinnerd wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>current politically correct agenda. <img src="https://forum.next-episode.net/img/smilies/lol.png" width="15" height="15" alt="lol" /></p></blockquote></div><p>Imo they are taking jabs at the whole spectrum and that makes it funny, because it is true. Like here was pointed out more than one Manunos backwardness as well.</p><p>I think Apple by now is the new HBO. It still has some PC sprinkled here and there, but nowhere near the rest.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2025 11:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>some_one wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Haven&#039;t watched Silo, but I wouldn&#039;t compare this to Fallout. Fallout is mostly driven by aesthetics, characters and story, while here we have a show that is almost entirely conceptual, only using characters as an access point.</p></blockquote></div><p>The comparison was meant to show the amount of content other than character-development that can be packed into a first Season.<br />I choose these two shows because of the similar theme with the humanity-ending event where it is to explore what actually happened and who did what.</p><p>But yes, all three shows are unique in their own ways <img src="https://forum.next-episode.net/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>Also, as <strong>g371</strong> said, if you like Pluribus and Fallout you should definitely give Silo a try. Season 1 was mind-blowing, Season 2... can be (and was) argued about <img src="https://forum.next-episode.net/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2025 07:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m surprised Apple actually green-lit such a clearly mysoginistic themed series. </p><p>Carol is the absolute epitome of feminism (according to its detractors) over emotionally and completely lacks the ability to take accountability for her actions.</p><p>She is completely irrational and driven entirely by emotions, incapable of her own agency even when she believes the world is ending. She hates &quot;the others&quot; but cannot live without their assistance, she relies entirely on them for EVERYTHING, food, power, protection, entertainment and even companionship and sexual gratification knowing full well they are actively trying to forcibly take her independence and convert her.</p><p>Her repeated actions directly result in the others leaving her as she is so dangerous to them. She cannot stand to live alone and after a short time, her narcissistic selfishness and inability to survive on her own, she begs them to come back. Then spends the next weeks relying on them to provide obscene levels of decadence and pampering. When she finally realises she has been outsmarted, again her unchecked emotions drive her to obtain &quot;the crate and whats inside.&quot; no doubt another unregulated and illogical emotional knee jerk reaction.</p><p>Manunos on the other hand is the very embodiment of masculine independence. He takes ZERO assistance from the others in a torturous trek across the americas, pays for everything he uses, refuses travel assistance and almost gets killed. He determines he needs to learn English to communicate so learns it, thinks he needs to understand sonics and sound engineering so starts to teach himself. He refuses any luxuries or pampering, determined to do everything by himself.</p><p>The contrast between the two could not be more apparent,&nbsp; I just applaud Apple for refusing the current &quot;girlboss&quot; archetype and portraying masculinity and femininity unbiased by the current politically correct agenda. <img src="https://forum.next-episode.net/img/smilies/lol.png" width="15" height="15" alt="lol" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2025 04:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>some_one wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Haven&#039;t watched Silo</p></blockquote></div><p>It&#039;s very good</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2025 18:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>what an awful show</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2025 18:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Imo this show is great and certainly original. Who said that every aliens/invasion show should be like Men In Black running around fighting little green men? The most plausible theory is that if there are any advanced civilizations who have means to communicate with us, don&#039;t do it because we are too primitive, stupid and irrelevant. That&#039;s why I love this show, it focuses on humanity flaws and also if somebody would want to invade us, it would be a pretty instant checkmate, because even if we would have a fighting chance, we would waste it arguing or fighting each other <img src="https://forum.next-episode.net/img/smilies/big_smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="big_smile" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2025 18:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>WilliamDrakeMcGregor wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox" style="padding: 0px;"><div onclick="var e,d,c=this.parentNode,a=c.getElementsByTagName('div')[1],b=this.getElementsByTagName('span')[0];if(a.style.display!=''){while(c.parentNode&&(!d||!e||d==e)){e=d;d=(window.getComputedStyle?getComputedStyle(c, null):c.currentStyle)['backgroundColor'];if(d=='transparent'||d=='rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)')d=e;c=c.parentNode;}a.style.display='';a.style.backgroundColor=d;b.innerHTML='&#9650;';}else{a.style.display='none';b.innerHTML='&#9660;';}" style="font-weight: bold; cursor: pointer; font-size: 0.9em;"><span style="padding: 0 5px;">&#9660;</span>Spoiler</div><div style="padding: 6px; margin: 0; display: none;"><p>They could&#039;ve focused on Carol and Pirate Ladies relationship. How Carol thought they had a deeper connection only to find out &quot;she loves Manousos just the same as her&quot;... what must&#039;ve been a punch in the gut...which we didn&#039;t really get to feel on screen.<br />This storyline just...ended. A disappointing look after the helicopter ride, that&#039;s it. After the ending of Episode 8, where they made it look like Zosia emerged from the depth of the hive, I expected a bigger reaction - maybe even from the entire hive.<br />On the other hand...Helen is only dead for <strong>2 months</strong> at this point...almost feels like Carol forgot about her...</p><p>Or how they use her frozen embryos to extract stem cells?? - this was the biggest plot point of the episode and they did barely talk about it.<br />What would&#039;ve happened if Carol just simply said &quot;I forbid you to use them&quot;...what would they have said? I wanted to see that discussion.</p><p>They could&#039;ve also focused on Manousos story, his origin, what made him so paranoid and intimidating.<br />After all, from what the ending tells us they will be teaming up to save humanity...<br />But what we got from him is only that he is kinda a jerk and that he has a hunch about the radio frequency... honestly, he didn&#039;t need to be near Carol to try what he did...he could&#039;ve done that at any time on his journey.<br />....</p><p>But no, first we got the Peruvian girl...where they broke continuitiy? The two women talking outside of the goat pen making small talk about the weather...wtf? Now, you could say they were doing that for the girl - to calm her down - but they made it look like they were only talking to each other...which doesn&#039;t make any sense.<br />This also makes me wonder...since they can probably make this &quot;medicine&quot; for everyone of the 13 at the same time...how many took the medicine and how many conscious people are left?</p><p>When Manousos made the Hive have a seizure I expected more than a phone call from Faxmi...do the others don&#039;t care? At this point I am thinking it would&#039;ve been better if they hadn&#039;t introduced us to some of the other characters in the first place. It would&#039;ve probably been better with one after the other.<br />Apart from Faxmi and Diabate I can&#039;t tell you a single thing about any of the others we saw at the beginning.</p><p>The atom bomb at the end...lol yeah, sure it left an impression - but what was it for? Doesn&#039;t add any value except a small giggle. Now at the beginning of Season 2, what do you think they are gonna do with that box?...nothing, absolutely nothing...but we will have forgotten about it anyways...<br /></p></div></div></blockquote></div><div class="quotebox" style="padding: 0px;"><div onclick="var e,d,c=this.parentNode,a=c.getElementsByTagName('div')[1],b=this.getElementsByTagName('span')[0];if(a.style.display!=''){while(c.parentNode&&(!d||!e||d==e)){e=d;d=(window.getComputedStyle?getComputedStyle(c, null):c.currentStyle)['backgroundColor'];if(d=='transparent'||d=='rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)')d=e;c=c.parentNode;}a.style.display='';a.style.backgroundColor=d;b.innerHTML='&#9650;';}else{a.style.display='none';b.innerHTML='&#9660;';}" style="font-weight: bold; cursor: pointer; font-size: 0.9em;"><span style="padding: 0 5px;">&#9660;</span>Spoiler</div><div style="padding: 6px; margin: 0; display: none;"><p>The reason they showed that scene in Peru was probably to demonstrate the emptiness of it all. The girl was introduced early as the only unjoined who was actually willing, so we can assume that she was also the first and probably only one so far to actually go through with it. Others may or may not follow. That entire village was shown as idyllic, including that little redundant conversation. The moment they didn&#039;t have someone there to maintain it for, they abandoned it, it basically ceased to exist. It&#039;s a reminder for us about how nihilistic the whole hive is, like Carol also realizes later in the episode.</p><p>If she had told them not to use her eggs, all she would have received as an answer would have been a polite &quot;sorry, but we are unable to not do it&quot;, like with every angle she has tried before. That&#039;s what the bomb is about: a threat that if she thinks it&#039;s about to happen, she would rather blow herself and her entire life up than let them.</p><p>We <em>will</em> probably learn more about why Manousos is the way he is if there&#039;s a second season, but for now, it&#039;s enough to know that he&#039;s a self-sufficiency guy unable to cope with the fact that something is trying to eliminate the concept of a &quot;self&quot;. He most likely wanted to compare notes with Carol on what <em>can</em> be done before starting, then started by himself right there to show her anything is possible at all.</p><p>The reason she only got that one call would most likely be that all the others would have asked &quot;what happened?&quot; as soon as the hive woke back up and learned that it wasn&#039;t Carol. The one who did call is the only one who hates her guts so much that she wouldn&#039;t even bother with that and immediately make assumptions, then call as soon as it&#039;s possible at all.<br /></p></div></div><p>Haven&#039;t watched Silo, but I wouldn&#039;t compare this to Fallout. Fallout is mostly driven by aesthetics, characters and story, while here we have a show that is almost entirely conceptual, only using characters as an access point.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2025 17:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Episode 9 &quot;season final&quot;...very disappointing.</p><p>Not even as a mid-season final would this have been acceptable for me.<br />Nothing in this final gave me a &quot;oh damn, where is this going in Season 2?&quot; or &quot;Can&#039;t wait for Season 2!&quot; feeling.</p><div class="quotebox" style="padding: 0px;"><div onclick="var e,d,c=this.parentNode,a=c.getElementsByTagName('div')[1],b=this.getElementsByTagName('span')[0];if(a.style.display!=''){while(c.parentNode&&(!d||!e||d==e)){e=d;d=(window.getComputedStyle?getComputedStyle(c, null):c.currentStyle)['backgroundColor'];if(d=='transparent'||d=='rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)')d=e;c=c.parentNode;}a.style.display='';a.style.backgroundColor=d;b.innerHTML='&#9650;';}else{a.style.display='none';b.innerHTML='&#9660;';}" style="font-weight: bold; cursor: pointer; font-size: 0.9em;"><span style="padding: 0 5px;">&#9660;</span>Spoiler</div><div style="padding: 6px; margin: 0; display: none;"><p>They could&#039;ve focused on Carol and Pirate Ladies relationship. How Carol thought they had a deeper connection only to find out &quot;she loves Manousos just the same as her&quot;... what must&#039;ve been a punch in the gut...which we didn&#039;t really get to feel on screen.<br />This storyline just...ended. A disappointing look after the helicopter ride, that&#039;s it. After the ending of Episode 8, where they made it look like Zosia emerged from the depth of the hive, I expected a bigger reaction - maybe even from the entire hive.<br />On the other hand...Helen is only dead for <strong>2 months</strong> at this point...almost feels like Carol forgot about her...</p><p>Or how they use her frozen embryos to extract stem cells?? - this was the biggest plot point of the episode and they did barely talk about it.<br />What would&#039;ve happened if Carol just simply said &quot;I forbid you to use them&quot;...what would they have said? I wanted to see that discussion.</p><p>They could&#039;ve also focused on Manousos story, his origin, what made him so paranoid and intimidating.<br />After all, from what the ending tells us they will be teaming up to save humanity...<br />But what we got from him is only that he is kinda a jerk and that he has a hunch about the radio frequency... honestly, he didn&#039;t need to be near Carol to try what he did...he could&#039;ve done that at any time on his journey.<br />....</p><p>But no, first we got the Peruvian girl...where they broke continuitiy? The two women talking outside of the goat pen making small talk about the weather...wtf? Now, you could say they were doing that for the girl - to calm her down - but they made it look like they were only talking to each other...which doesn&#039;t make any sense.<br />This also makes me wonder...since they can probably make this &quot;medicine&quot; for everyone of the 13 at the same time...how many took the medicine and how many conscious people are left?</p><p>When Manousos made the Hive have a seizure I expected more than a phone call from Faxmi...do the others don&#039;t care? At this point I am thinking it would&#039;ve been better if they hadn&#039;t introduced us to some of the other characters in the first place. It would&#039;ve probably been better with one after the other.<br />Apart from Faxmi and Diabate I can&#039;t tell you a single thing about any of the others we saw at the beginning.</p><p>The atom bomb at the end...lol yeah, sure it left an impression - but what was it for? Doesn&#039;t add any value except a small giggle. Now at the beginning of Season 2, what do you think they are gonna do with that box?...nothing, absolutely nothing...but we will have forgotten about it anyways...<br /></p></div></div><p>I too enjoyed most of the Season, with Carol being a well written and well acted character. At the beginning I wanted a lot more world building (which I still do) but accepted the character-driven point of view.</p><p>But still, just compare it to the two other shows who are currently running and remotely similar:<br /><a href="https://next-episode.net/fallout" target="_blank">Fallout</a> and <a href="https://next-episode.net/silo" target="_blank">Silo</a>.</p><p>Both have similar well written and well acted characters. In their first Season we got a good insight into both characters, their personalities, worldviews and personal drama.<br />But we also got a heck of a lot more world-building and other characters to balance things out. This show had the same potential but failed on both those counts.</p><p>From me: 7/10</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2025 09:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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