I loved this series... it was the best live-action Jedi related anything that Disney has given us, yet.

Couldn't disagree with you more on that, but that's ok - as you mentioned everyone got their own likes and dislikes.
I just can't think of any on-screen adaption so far, where the Jedi have been depicted as monsters.
In the original Star Wars trilogy we only had Ben Kenobi and Yoda from the previous generation left. No monsters there.
In the prequel trilogy and Clone Wars the Jedi surely were a bit too political and their military involvement was questionable. But I hardly would call them monsters there.
In Rebels we had Kanan, Ahsoka and Ezra - no monsters there either.

It's good to see we're discussing and not arguing [I wish more fans/forums were as civilized, in this age]

Anyways, to respond to your inquiry over where the 'Jedi Are Monsters' read came in... I feel like we didn't get that until Episode I. The original trilogy treated the Jedi as if they were errant knights with a soupçon of spiritualism mixed in. The prequels on the other hand [including TCW animated series] showed us the bureaucracy, the lies, the ineptitude and the arrogance of the Jedi Order. From their suppression of emotions and kidnaping of children to the easy way they were manipulated into becoming mass murders instead of peacemakers.

Yes, the Jedi we followed, for the most part, were not bad folks and most, like Obi, had good intentions but we all know that intentions don't always lead where one expects. That is the case with just about every thing the Jedi did as an organization. I'm not even talking about 'bad actors' like Pong Krell or, to a lesser extent, Barriss Offee but the actual institution where Ky Narec could die and his padawan fall without anyone knowing or all that Sifo-Dyas horse-hockey!

And personally I feel as though Mace was the biggest problem on the Jedi Council, he's also a huge part of Ani's turn to the dark side. If he'd been a gawddamned human being for a split second Palps might not've won... but I digress.

What really bothered me and ultimately why I feel the Ahsoka series didn't work for me, is that you could've done the whole first season in two episodes... The series spent soooooo much time reintroducing the characters that I was just bored. Maybe that worked for all those folks who never watched the animated series but I desperately wanted anything to happen. On top of which the fight scenes were basically garbage.

Not to mention, that from what we were shown for action it was clear that the Ahsoka of TCW and Rebels would've been able to take the live-action version of Ahsoka in a fight with her hands tired behind her back... which is nonsense, in so many ways. I feel it was an error for them not to have made the series animated. After all the wild stuff Ahsoka pulled off in the previous series she now seemed all-but powerless.

As for Ezra, IMO he's the worst character in all of the Star Wars but whether I liked him or not he totally should have been harder to find [not just far into the runtime] or maybe even have gone dark... that would have made the build up have some meaning otherwise it was just a bunch of capable folks getting the job of recuse done... Where's the drama? The stakes? The tension? There really wasn't any, it was just a slow chase and a bunch of board meetings punctuated by training and defeats.

It was just so aggressively Meeh! By the end it even seemed as though, you could watch the last ep of it and then just start season two when it comes out! That's not cool!

Well I can feel you there, what I often find annoying is when a series leaves the logic of the story behind for the emotional story arc... like pretty much every MCU movie and series, for example. But sometimes the fun works so well you don't care so much for the fact that none of it adds up [Infinity War/Endgame comes to mind].

I'm not saying we can't want more or expect something better, however it just seem like many usually don't reach those highs. So, I set my expectations at an appropriate level before diving in and maybe that's the key. I'm not expecting Empire Strikes Back when I tune into SW... heck if it's better than The Phantom Menace it's practically prefect.

That being said, I do feel The Acolyte was much-much better than everything Disney has done in live-action for Star Wars... aside from Andor, that is. But these are just my opinions and I appreciate you sharing yours!

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Very much so... Annnnd yeah, the Jedi are monsters [kinda always have been]... and they deserved to go down! Don't get me wrong it was a tragedy but-yeah they were awful and not as competent as Luke imagined back in '77.

To my mind this series accurately captures all the Jedi's misplaced arrogance pretty well.

Couldn't disagree with you more on that, but that's ok - as you mentioned everyone got their own likes and dislikes.
I just can't think of any on-screen adaption so far, where the Jedi have been depicted as monsters.
In the original Star Wars trilogy we only had Ben Kenobi and Yoda from the previous generation left. No monsters there.
In the prequel trilogy and Clone Wars the Jedi surely were a bit too political and their military involvement was questionable. But I hardly would call them monsters there.
In Rebels we had Kanan, Ahsoka and Ezra - no monsters there either.

Now that is something we can agree on. Ahsoka is my favorite SW character as well. Her lightsaber duel with Maul in the 7th season of Clone Wars is the best duel imho.
The series Ahsoka was an atrocity. The moment when Sabine and Ezra reunite just destroyed me. I waited for that moment for so long and then it is that disappointing.

Back in the day, stuff like that didn't bother me as well. But with every show I add to my watchlist it keeps bothering me more and more.

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OMG, now that was an excellent series... What a great ending and goodness was that

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Plagueis in that cave

Definitely the best live-action Jedi show Disney has made so far annnnnd possibly the best live-action anything to do with the Jedi they've done period... IMO, that is

Are you serious? This show is the worst portrayal of the Jedi I have ever seen. Live action or otherwise. The way they are portrayed makes them look as stupid as regular battle droids.

If we are talking best portrayal of a Jedi in a live action tv series than it's Luke Skywalkers very brief appearance in The Mandalorian. Not much there but still a thousand times better than here.

Very much so... Annnnd yeah, the Jedi are monsters [kinda always have been]... and they deserved to go down! Don't get me wrong it was a tragedy but-yeah they were awful and not as competent as Luke imagined back in '77.

To my mind this series accurately captures all the Jedi's misplaced arrogance pretty well.

Speaking to that, one of the things which low-key always bothered me about the prequels was that viewer never really get an understanding of what Palpatine had against the Jedi?! I mean, yeah-sure he wanted to take over and they were in his way but it did feel as though there was some animosity the actor was playing which we never get an understanding of

As for the The Mandalorian, I really didn't care for it... I've seen Spaghetti Westerns and Samurai movies, some good stuff.... that poor man's Firefly was not, tho... and it was a weird flex to have Baby Yoda murder unborn children!?

So-yeah, I'd have to disagree with Uncanny Valley Luke being a cool moment. To me it was a low point in the franchise.

And despite Ahsoka being my absolute favorite Star Wars character, the series of the same name was just meeeh.

As for all the nitpicking you did there... yeah, none of that bothered me... I could reason out why things worked out the way they did without the mental gymnastics that seem to be bogging down your enjoyment. For instance, how did Venestra get in so quickly? They came in from above and used a different door or maybe cause the lift was fixed now by Osha it was easier or maybe it's just a show about space wizards and it's okay for it to just jump to some fun scenes.

Art is subjective and from my perspective it is fine if folks do not like something I did but none of what you pointed out stopped me from absolutely loving this series and hoping for 'six seasons and a movie'

My conclusion is, this show was a very good idea and had a great premise. The execution was just terrible.
Then we get so much nonsense thrown at us that I have to think they forgot in the next episode what happened in the previous one.
Every revelation in this show was predictable.

Let's put this one to rest and hope the next Star Wars show will be better

Are you serious? This show is the worst portrayal of the Jedi I have ever seen. Live action or otherwise. The way they are portrayed makes them look as stupid as regular battle droids.
If we are talking best portrayal of a Jedi in a live action tv series than it's Luke Skywalkers very brief appearance in The Mandalorian. Not much there but still a thousand times better than here.

No decision has been made afaik.

Definitely the best live-action Jedi show Disney has made so far annnnnd possibly the best live-action anything to do with the Jedi they've done period... IMO, that is

Episode 7, on of the other sides of the story. It was...laughable.

I think if you skip this episode you won't have missed a single thing of importance.

Overall it was OK. Since most of the Episode are fights, it was entertaining at least

Here my in-depth analysis:

So much hate for this show out there, it's like a personal afront to some people.

@BusterTheDoggie - Of course.  I stopped watching after 1x2, then the online blow back exploded and is still ongoing on youtube, which is way more entertaining than the show.  Shared misery has united the core audience. lolz.  And as mrverene mentioned rifftrax, The Acolyte has brought out the inner Tom Servo MST3K.

@inkblot - No need to start a flame war, I appreciate and will even defend narrow minded points of view from time to time, I've made them, and we need them, to have a richer forum.

No sparks no flame. Just making some valid points. This is a forum where things are discussed. Not where people are beaten down and told to shut up. Would not be much of a forum if we only see one side of the discussion.

I stopped at ep3.

paisly1 I edited my original post. You did have a point. I was a bit rough. Thanx for dragging me back from the abyss.

@inkblot - No need to start a flame war, I appreciate and will even defend narrow minded points of view from time to time, I've made them, and we need them, to have a richer forum.