there is British woke
and there is USA woke

two very different ways of looking at things.
because they are very different cultures

Not so different, if you import it from USA what has been the case with Europe. Donalds biggest gift to the world is the reality check that maybe cloning USA ways blindly is not a great idea In my country woke spreading was like this: I see Americans are short circuiting on Twitter, can expect 1:1 import attempt with a delay of a few months It's like a chain of parrots. And on a few occasions it has been very funny, since cultures and history indeed are different and there are whole woke subsections which simply don't work, because conditions are different. Like when you start using Bible Belt reasoning, but forget to check that you are in the country where half of government are females etc. etc. etc., they are not the brightest stars in the sky

two very different ways of looking at things.
because they are very different cultures

Gawd how bloody awful.  That's all I can say.

One positive comment:

Then the big reveal:

But wow - they just really want to beat that girl-boss thing until they do finally destroy the show, huh?  Russel Davies just *will not* give in to writing a decent season with a male doctor, do things like they did for 2005-2008 or so just to get viewer numbers and income back on track, then give the girl thing another go.  I think he's scared that if they tried it and it WORKED it would be the nail in the coffee for this Doctor Woke junk. He can't afford that confirmation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvzy82l4no

Get rid of Ncuti

Apparently that's now what they've done. After 2 seasons he's finished.

Tom Baker and David Tennant were the best doctors by far IMO. I haven't watched it in a long time, last time I watched it was when David Tennant morphed into Jodie Whittaker's and that was it for me, it wasn't the fact that she's woman it was just not gripping enough.

I started watching when it started back in the 1960s with William Hartnell and was always something to get the pulse racing in the 60s and 70s, maybe it was because I was a teenager then I don't know.

Let's hope their next choice is someone with a bit more charisma and fun too.

They need to leave it 5-10 years, purge the woke writers from Disney and the BBC, retcon everything since 2018, then it might have a chance to regain mainstream popularity.

I've been a fan since Tom Baker (who will ALWAYS be my favourite Doctor).  Will the show ever be like that again?  Of course not, but I live in hope that *somehow* they'll manage to bring back

Right there with you 100%
In that spirit of hope I've been following this current incarnation.  But last nights s02e07 was just unwatchable, even on the basis of "fast forward 10 mins, check to see what's going on, FF 10 mins, does the magic fantasy bs. end and now become the story?"  etc.  And I couldn't do it: It was just THAT bad.  Horrible ... well... everything.  Terrible acting, body movement, green screen flying that was worse than Flash Gordon or original Wizard of Oz.

It was just so fraking horrible I couldn't even make it to the end even with jumping 10 mins at a time then peeking in on it.

They need to leave it 5-10 years, purge the woke writers from Disney and the BBC, retcon everything since 2018, then it might have a chance to regain mainstream popularity.

I used to be a huge fan as a kid, was a member of the Dr Who fan club back in the 80's. I've since become so disgusted with what it has become, I've sold my vintage novel collection from the 80's and I've noticed a large number of other fans dumping their collections over the past few years as well.

I've been a fan since Tom Baker (who will ALWAYS be my favourite Doctor).  Will the show ever be like that again?  Of course not, but I live in hope that *somehow* they'll manage to bring back the spirit and heart of what made it such  a popular show in the 70's and 80's. 

The sad truth is it's not possible, those days are gone and they need to just let.  It.  Go.

*sigh*

I used to be a huge fan as a kid, was a member of the Dr Who fan club back in the 80's. I've since become so disgusted with what it has become, I've sold my vintage novel collection from the 80's and I've noticed a large number of other fans dumping their collections over the past few years as well.

Maybe it could be resurrected properly, but a lot would have to change.

Get rid of Ncuti, find a decent Doctor, and some decent non-woke writers and ideas, maybe has a chance.

I rather liked the format where they used a few episodes to tell a story.

But the later years, where the series had an underlying story-line but with individual episodes was also quite interesting.