In a couple hours will see what's up with the majority in US. Russians are squeaking like happy piglets right now, even more than when Trump was elected.

And I'm as anti-Russian somebody can be, like literally I wish death to that country But that's not the topic, topic is how one clownade strengthened Russians and alike and is completely clueless about it. And same as defunding police and bunch of other actions lead to most likely losing Senate and House just about now. What is funny, that this clueless part is very similar to Russians, they also by default are unable to make actions -> consequences chain and are constant surprised Pikachus when their own crap backfire in their faces.

This thread and poster has gone full Russian propaganda. I think we might be done here..

Also in this stream he said what most of them don't say aloud, but what is a common knowledge which many in the West don't understand - they need to conquer Ukraine to be able to fight the West in the future. Scheme is super simple, merge Russia + Ukraine + Belarus + some others, build up the army and go on a holy war. Merge of course in Russian style, some genocide, filtration and total brainwashing. Everybody just got super lucky, that they are corrupt and disorganized af - otherwise we would have some epic war in +/- 15-20 years.

Who is Dugin: https://www.euronews.com/2022/08/22/ale … in-ukraine

A bit milder versions of his ideological bs you can hear from almost every sick in the head Russian politician - from Putin to Medvedev and everybody in between.

Pay close attention what she is saying here, it's that synergy of indoctrinations I talked about And they push that in many ways 24/7 non-stop Actually this is a good Youtube channel to get the idea, the most epic moments from Russia federal TV news/talk shows with subtitles in English.

Also, fyi, they never say in these shows anything what is not sanctioned by government - even if it looks opposing, it's just a section from their handbooks how to create an illusion that there is an opposition. So, this garbage comes from very top and is a policy of a country with nukes And btw, if you did not knew - millions of them dream about nuking US. That's how well basically two topics on repeat has worked on them.

But the point is, that this from their whole list is one argument, which 1) is easy usable for them; 2) in not easy dismissable, because compared to their other trash, which I can take apart in seconds, they have at least a partial point. That regime holds on the premise that the West is their enemy, they are indoctrinated to think so and this is one of tools how they do it. I have argued probably with thousands of random individuals, cannot remember a conversation which at some point did not went into uSA bAd, followed by some woke stereotypes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie - "in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility".

And this is the only aspect with what agrees basically an absolute majority of Russians and also with what they get some friends outside Russia. In Germany, France, Italy etc. Even we have some small amount of dense village idiots who sing along them because of this and a couple more things. Before the war they actually have managed to get quite good positions in Europe - in Europe millions of people are tired of all woke circus and if you are not aware what Russia is, from far away you could even see that Putin is some pragmatic guy who don't push all that. So I'm not surprised that some AfD in Germany loves them. So, if they would have more brains, they could exploit it a lot more, but:

And irony here is all over the place. One side has mandatory gay in every TV series, other side opposes that and has "hero desks" at schools among hundred other brainwashing methods.

And if you live next to Russia, you develop the ability to see a social engineering from miles away So, while you are deciding about gender neutral toilets, know that Russians has already weaponized them Symbiosis of indoctrinations, lol

lighton wrote:

Greyhound wrote:

This perfectly sums up my reaction after seeing this thread about the Handmaid's Tale TV show has devolved into a conversation between two people about general politics.

I just split off this discussion from the main Handmaid's Tale thread.

@g371: Are you claiming that Putin started the war with Ukraine because of the "US ultra-libs"? Of course he doesn't like liberal ideas, but he started the war hoping to obtain a more prominent role in the history books.

Was a bit off fighting NAFO battles with Russians

No, I'm not claiming that, tho what is a rock solid point I can prove in a couple million ways, is that he uses it as a pretense for his bs. Basically exploits simple Russian minds, an average Russian cannot stand all that and it's a very easy selling point. Especially now when they get their asses handed to them by Ukrainians, he needs to 1) sell that they actually are fighting West not Ukraine (to justify the magnificent losses); 2) to convince a couple hundred thousand sheep to go to their certain death instead of killing him. And how to do it? Lie about what is going on on the battlefield and push the usual, West is endangering our holy culture lala blabla (he is referring to exactly all "US ultra-libs genre").

But about the start of the war, it also there was a variable, but in a different way. Similar principles, Ukrainians overthrew their corrupt government (basically threw out a Russia puppet and with that chose to go EU direction), again simple minds to some extent were sold that evil Gayrope (that's how they call gay Europe) will come and do something bad with them And again, that was brainwashed for years before that via Russia federal TV (which now is banned in a bunch of countries). But it was not a major variable. It was a banal Russia invasion. That was just a variable in getting support for that invasion.

So there you have it. California -> Europe -> Russia -> people die over that California mental illness. The collision of two epic brainwashing propagandas. That of course does not mean that Russians won't do that anyway, they are very talented bs producers, would find something else. But for years they have been weaponizing exactly this. Because it's easy and they are not completely wrong. It's easy to sell things which at least partly are true.

This is the most severe case. Less severe is for example in Hungary. There it helps to elect Orban. Not completely sure, but I assume also echoes nicely in similar ways in some Middle East and Asia.

So what you’re saying is ”this is how Russian propaganda works and what they say justifies their war”? Or what did you mean by ” Because it's easy and they are not completely wrong.”?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr7udHMfKTM

My guess is that in Russia are at least 50 million of such specimens (this is filmed in Moscow, drive out of it 250 km and will get way more epic answers). Who really believe that gays from the West are out there to get them Most of them are isolated in Russian language information pool, tiny fraction speaks English, if TV says something, a lot believe. Then they pirate TV series and see very similar stuff what TV pushed to them. Jackpot.

On their TV they cherry pick the most braindead stories (which are true) - gender neutral toilets, some trans winning womens competitions, parent no. 1/parent no. 2 stuff, pronouns stuff. And basically formulate it like "this is the rotten West". Produced with love in California. Works on them like a charm. And from time to time include some Tucker for a good measure, to reassure. Propaganda brainwashing 101.

And as echo back from Russia we also get this beauty. We have 450k Russians living here, they even have their own political parties, which swear to fight California to the death They just are minority here and all they can really do is screech a lot Same as from other side brainwashed libs - here both sides are considered as top level clowns Both Russia and pronouns is not gonna happen. We have 2 great examples next to us what not to do, one is Russia, another one is Sweden.

Greyhound wrote:

This perfectly sums up my reaction after seeing this thread about the Handmaid's Tale TV show has devolved into a conversation between two people about general politics.

I just split off this discussion from the main Handmaid's Tale thread.

@g371: Are you claiming that Putin started the war with Ukraine because of the "US ultra-libs"? Of course he doesn't like liberal ideas, but he started the war hoping to obtain a more prominent role in the history books.

Was a bit off fighting NAFO battles with Russians

No, I'm not claiming that, tho what is a rock solid point I can prove in a couple million ways, is that he uses it as a pretense for his bs. Basically exploits simple Russian minds, an average Russian cannot stand all that and it's a very easy selling point. Especially now when they get their asses handed to them by Ukrainians, he needs to 1) sell that they actually are fighting West not Ukraine (to justify the magnificent losses); 2) to convince a couple hundred thousand sheep to go to their certain death instead of killing him. And how to do it? Lie about what is going on on the battlefield and push the usual, West is endangering our holy culture lala blabla (he is referring to exactly all "US ultra-libs genre").

But about the start of the war, it also there was a variable, but in a different way. Similar principles, Ukrainians overthrew their corrupt government (basically threw out a Russia puppet and with that chose to go EU direction), again simple minds to some extent were sold that evil Gayrope (that's how they call gay Europe) will come and do something bad with them And again, that was brainwashed for years before that via Russia federal TV (which now is banned in a bunch of countries). But it was not a major variable. It was a banal Russia invasion. That was just a variable in getting support for that invasion.

So there you have it. California -> Europe -> Russia -> people die over that California mental illness. The collision of two epic brainwashing propagandas. That of course does not mean that Russians won't do that anyway, they are very talented bs producers, would find something else. But for years they have been weaponizing exactly this. Because it's easy and they are not completely wrong. It's easy to sell things which at least partly are true.

This is the most severe case. Less severe is for example in Hungary. There it helps to elect Orban. Not completely sure, but I assume also echoes nicely in similar ways in some Middle East and Asia.

I just split off this discussion from the main Handmaid's Tale thread.

I note that you still get to have your jab in the thread :thumbsup:

This perfectly sums up my reaction after seeing this thread about the Handmaid's Tale TV show has devolved into a conversation between two people about general politics.

I just split off this discussion from the main Handmaid's Tale thread.

@g371: Are you claiming that Putin started the war with Ukraine because of the "US ultra-libs"? Of course he doesn't like liberal ideas, but he started the war hoping to obtain a more prominent role in the history books.

This perfectly sums up my reaction after seeing this thread about the Handmaid's Tale TV show has devolved into a conversation between two people about general politics.

I'm not sure what's happened to this forum lately.

All it seems to be is political posts like the above, or everyone saying how all the programs I like are rubbish and all the programs I hate are wonderful.

Polarization across the west, it's not just here, we're heading into dark times.

All it seems to be is political posts like the above, or everyone saying how all the programs I like are rubbish and all the programs I hate are wonderful.

Yeah, I got nothing.. Nothing in that post made any sense

He is explaining that both the Russian regime and the regime in the West are idiots and that this conflict have been brewing for many years(and he is correct).